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Hydrografisch onderzoeksvaartuig 'Hydrograaf' in dienst gesteld

Nieuw hydrografisch vaartuig voor marine

New Expeditionary Survey Boat (ESB) was commissioned in Den Helder. The "Hydrograaf" is a 15.70m (51.5ft) 22 tonnes expeditionary hydrographic survey vessel that is meant to operate from one of the LPD's which can carry it in one of their davits.

In the second link they claim that she can operate away from the mothership for 72 hours over a distance of 100 miles with a crew of 4. They don't list the equipment but they claim she has the same hydrographic equipment as larger vessels: "Het is een klein platform, maar het heeft dezelfde geavanceerde apparatuur aan boord als de veel grotere hydrografisch vaartuigen."
 
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Toptob said:
Hydrografisch onderzoeksvaartuig 'Hydrograaf' in dienst gesteld

Nieuw hydrografisch vaartuig voor marine

New Expeditionary Survey Boat (ESB) was commissioned in Den Helder. The "Hydrograaf" is a 15.70m (51.5ft) 22 tonnes expeditionary hydrographic survey vessel that is meant to operate from one of the LPD's which can carry it in one of their davits.

In the second link they claim that she can operate away from the mothership for 72 hours over a distance of 100 miles with a crew of 4. They don't list the equipment but they claim she has the same hydrographic equipment as larger vessels: "Het is een klein platform, maar het heeft dezelfde geavanceerde apparatuur aan boord als de veel grotere hydrografisch vaartuigen."
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Thank you for sharing.
Quite impressive that they can install all the necessary equipment in such a small ship, with just 4 crewmembers on board.
 
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Yeah, I don't know how true that is @Sandhi Yudha ... Maybe they're processing the data on the mother ship or maybe they're overstating the capability. But it is a step in the direction of dispersing capabilities across smaller platforms like minesweeping and ASW. This boat is meant to provide hydrographic support to amphibious operations, but she'll also be useful in humanitarian and disaster relief.
 
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The equipment isn't much of a problem, the mission to me sounds similar to the Survey Motor Boats the South African Navy recently bought - which are smaller. The Dutch also aren't buying a single-provider survey suite package either though, but have been shopping around for individual systems which might make it a bit less integrated.

The specifications size-wise for the Dutch vessels exactly match a LCVP Mk 5. A bit notably the size also means they'll be too big to be carried on the LARS davits of the new MCMVs (rated for the 12m Inspector 125 USVs at 18 tons maximum).
 
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Eerste vernieuwde fregat werkt toe naar groot examen

Interesting article about ZrMs De Zeven Provincien nearing the end of her upgrade work and working up towards international BMD exercises later this year. The article describes some of the changes and upgrades that have been made to the Bridge and the CMS. They seem to be keen to test what the new SMART-L MM/N radar is capable of, the article cites claims that they have a range of 2000 km for BMD!
 
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Did they ever acquire the SM-3 missiles? Or are they looking at a tracking exercise during and american shoot?
 
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HNLMS Evertsen to join UK taskgroup to Japan - Navies Worldwide

It was announced that ZrMs Evertsen will be accompanying HMS Queen Elizabeth all the way to Japan, traveling through the South China Sea with her taskgroup later this year. Earlier it was looking like the government was backing out of this and the plan was to do a port visit in Indonesia before accompanying the QE back through the Indian Ocean. But the navy has announced that they will accompany QE to Japan, and while not confirming that they will travel through the SCS the spokesman did mention that the taskgroup would adhere to "afspraken rond de vrijheid van de zee" (agreements surrounding freedom of navigation). So although a definite route has not been disclosed this does indicate that QE and an international taskgroup with the Evertsen and at least an American Destroyer and maybe an Australian ship will be traversing the South China Sea later this year!
 
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Probably more than one Australian. Earlier reports have hinted although not of course stated, that an Australian TG might join up with QE at some point. Given our membership with Japan of the Quadrilateral agreement and previous involvement in passages through the SCS, it would not be surprising if they joined up at Singas or indeed somewhere in the IO.
 
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Yes, they're getting pretty old! But they've been run hard for decades doing a lot of covert missions. These are some pretty important boats, most important politicians also know this. So they've been taken care of pretty well and hopefully they'll get a worthy successor.

One thing is certain though. At the moment they're less troublesome than the patrol boats;

Vervanger van Zr.Ms. Groningen kampt ook met defect

ZrMs Holland is reportedly having technical problems with an exhaust gasket that needs to be replaced. Holland was supposed to leave for the West on April 9th to replace the damaged ZrMs Groningen as the station ship in the Caribbean, but the navy is now unsure if they're going to make that date.

Holland was still working up when her orders changed to replace Groningen as the other two patrol ships are either in maintenance (ZrMs Zeeland) or waiting for maintenance (ZrMs Friesland).
 
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If im not wrong it is a creation from France, and a couple of months ago it was already tested by the Royal Navy....

Found. But ive to find out where this stuff come from.
That French thing was a hoverboard btw, so i was wrong.

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It seems to be from the UK.
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Personeelstekort: Zr.Ms. Van Speijk tegen de kant

Nog een marineschip tegen de kant: Zr.Ms. Johan de Witt blijft na zomer in de haven

The Dutch navy is deactivating the M-Class frigate ZrMs Van Speijk (F828) citing a lack of budget and personnel. The crew shortage is so dire that the crew often had to substitute for crew on other ships, indicating that there is few or no crew available aside from those already on active duty. The biggest shortfalls are with technical crew, which is no surprise since in the Netherlands a tradesman can get far better working conditions than the navy can afford to offer. Due to budget shortfalls Van Speijk's maintenance has also been pushed back to 2023 as part of emergency measures to cover a 75 million dollar shortfall. In an interview with the commander it became clear that Van Speijk had been operating at lower readiness (100 crew instead of 160) for the last year.

In the second article it is reported that the LPD and command ship ZrMs Johan de Witt (L801) will also be held back from service and spend the foreseeable future pier-side. If the normal schedule is kept she should go into maintenance sometime in 2022, until then she'll be in Den Helder with a skeleton crew. Mothballing Johan de Witt was not part of the above mentioned emergency measures and seems to be a more recent decision.

These deactivations are not unique in the Dutch navy. In december the minehunter ZrMs Urk was deactivated early and is awaiting her decommissioning later this year. And when ZrMs Groningen had to return from the West with technical problems, there was no direct replacement because one of the OPV's was in port because there was no crew available for her.

Earlier this year the combined leadership of defense spoke out about the dire situation of our defense apparatus. Of course they did because there's no official government right now and they got to complain without hurting any politician or bureaucrats feelings. But defense is pretty much a laughing stock in the Netherlands after scandals where we found out that soldiers had to say "pang" in training because ammunition shortages or how two soldiers died because they where using old and defective mortar shells.
 
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It is not the first time the Royal Netherlands Navy did something like this, but it is the first time done in Europe, between the coasts of Scotland and Norway, during Formidable Shield 2021.

Formidable Shield tests the ability of NATO warships to detect, track and defeat incoming missiles, from sea-skimming weapons travelling at twice the speed of sound just above the waterline, to ballistic missiles.

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Royal Netherlands Navy’s HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën Frigate Tracks Ballistic Missile - Naval News

The Royal Netherlands Navy announced that the SMART-L Multi Mission/Naval radar aboard HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën was used to eliminate a ballistic missile, marking a first in Europe. This was carried out during exercise Formidable Shield 2021.
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Sandhi Yudha said:
it is the first time done in Europe
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HNLMS De Ruyter did the same thing (in European waters) in Formidable Shield 2017 already. Tracking by SMART-L MM, realtime handover via battle network to a US destroyer, destruction of target missile by a SM-3.


The SMART-L on De Ruyter back then was "temporarily modified" by Thales to include the MM TBMD system. Was a prototype for the installation that's by now on the LCF frigates.

During Formidable Shield 2019 an Italian FREMM had the same job.
 
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kato said:
HNLMS De Ruyter did the same thing (in European waters) in Formidable Shield 2017 already. Tracking by SMART-L MM, realtime handover via battle network to a US destroyer, destruction of target missile by a SM-3.


The SMART-L on De Ruyter back then was "temporarily modified" by Thales to include the MM TBMD system. Was a prototype for the installation that's by now on the LCF frigates.

During Formidable Shield 2019 an Italian FREMM had the same job.
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Thank you for sharing the info!



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Latest Update on the Netherlands' Walrus-class Submarine Replacement Program - Naval News

The Dutch Ministry of Defense on May 28 informed the House of Representatives about the progress of the Walrus-class submarines replacement program. It was followed by the first official communication on the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN) future submarine program since December 2019 and the...
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So in this update it appears now that the long-awaited decision on a winning bid is not expected before the end of 2022, confirming a one year delay in the process.

But the prediction that the first Walrus-class replacement submarine will be in service before the end of 2028, is way too optimistic.

Netherlands re-states goal of first new submarine in 2028

The Netherlands has reaffirmed its aim to have the first Walrus-class replacement submarine in service before the end of 2028, although it is no longer stiplulating that...
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Here we go.

It will replace the Zr.Ms Amsterdam which was sold to Peru in December 2014.(Due to defense spending cuts,which all knew would be troublesome for replenishment)

Luckily we will get extra(much needed)capacity

Damen lays keel for new RNLN support ship

Damen Shipyards held a keel-laying ceremony for the Royal Netherlands Navy's (RNLN's) new combat support ship (CSS) at its yard in Galati, Romania, on 2 June.
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