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John Fedup

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Sender said:
Recession doesn't mean bankruptcy John. There will still be plenty of money for defence, especially if they move the yardstick to 2.3%, which is the big rumour around Ottawa now.
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An unrealistic assumption, if there was plenty of money available during recent good times and we couldn’t manage better than 1.4%, how is any government going to manage 2.3% in a recession? Even a defence oriented government will be politically challenged to accomplish 2.3%. Then there is our dysfunctional procurement operation. The military can’t even spend the full amounts it has been given. Much of the new kit we need is in high demand so this is more delay. As for the rumour of 2.3%, too late now as Trump is pushing NATO for 3+ which several members are already doing.

Perhaps a new Canadian government can propose 2.5% in exchange for the status quo. Unfortunately this BS will start up again in 2026 when the review on USMC trade agreement starts.
 
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Sender

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John Fedup said:
An unrealistic assumption, if there was plenty of money available during recent good times and we couldn’t manage better than 1.4%, how is any government going to manage 2.3% in a recession? Even a defence oriented government will be politically challenged to accomplish 2.3%. Then there is our dysfunctional procurement operation. The military can’t even spend the full amounts it has been given. Much of the new kit we need is in high demand so this is more delay. As for the rumour of 2.3%, too late now as Trump is pushing NATO for 3+ which several members are already doing.

Perhaps a new Canadian government can propose 2.5% in exchange for the status quo. Unfortunately this BS will start up again in 2026 when the review on USMC trade agreement starts.
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It depends on where the government puts its priorities, and the very very very strong consensus is the government is quite prepared to cut program spending in other areas to fund increased military funding. Just cutting the civil service head count by 5% would free up $3Bil in salaries alone, and the rumour is they are looking at a 10% head count reduction. Given the civil service has grown by 35% under this current government, a 5% reduction should be achievable without a meaningful impact on service delivery. In addition, departments are being asked to find a further 5% in "efficiencies". Federal government spending is at $450Bil/year, so that represents another $22.5Bil in savings. In other words, if the government is serious, it's completely do-able to increase defence spending.
 
CorvetteCrunch

CorvetteCrunch

Member
It is not realistic for Canada to shirk from increased defence spending even in a recession given that we have multiple high profile and high cost procurement programs either actively ongoing or planned in the near future for all branches. Our allies throughout NATO and the world have been pressuring us to bring the CAF back up to par and modernize, this is especially important as a negotiating tool with the US in a possible trade war and with how important the Arctic is clearly becoming. Even domestic politics has shifted towards defence spending being something that is actually important and not just pushed under the rug considering how the world is ending up these days.
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Well defence promises seem to evaporate once pollies are elected and begin planning programs to get re-elected. The current geopolitical situation required increased spending years ago but junior is clueless and many of his BS programs and grossly expanded civil service limited defence.

We will have to see if the Conservatives are serious or just talk. Certainly more will happen but enough, probably not. Also, huge improvements are needed for our procurement process.
 
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