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John Fedup

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
CorvetteCrunch said:


HMCS Protecteur (JSS-1) has recently been moved onto the launching platform in anticipation of her naming ceremony and subsequent launch in the near future.
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Currently in Mission, BC but the drive into Vancouver sucks big time. Maybe I should drive in on Xmas day when traffic will be minimal for a look.:rolleyes:
 
Underway

Underway

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Exciting week!

AOPS proving it self to be the right platform for the job despite the criticism. The government (Harper's gov't) look farsighted at this point, given the renewed tensions across the ice.

JSS will bring redundancy to the RCN's blue water capabilities. JSS 2 is already ahead of schedule (they learned a lot on JSS 1). I don't expect they will reduce the cost though! Lmao
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Underway said:
Exciting week!

AOPS proving it self to be the right platform for the job despite the criticism. The government (Harper's gov't) look farsighted at this point, given the renewed tensions across the ice.

JSS will bring redundancy to the RCN's blue water capabilities. JSS 2 is already ahead of schedule (they learned a lot on JSS 1). I don't expect they will reduce the cost though! Lmao
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The reduced cost will come with JSS 3.:p Although needed, a third ship is unlikely though.
 
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Sender

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John Fedup said:
The reduced cost will come with JSS 3.:p Although needed, a third ship is unlikely though.
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Actually, there is talk of a third and possibly a fourth, to a modified design, based on feedback from the operation of JSS1 and 2. Sometime in the 2030s, after Seaspan has completed the Coast Guard orders. It's well known that 3 ships (JSS1, JSS2, and Asterix) are not adequate to requirements.
 
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Underway

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John Fedup said:
The reduced cost will come with JSS 3.:p Although needed, a third ship is unlikely though.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if we did like the Germans did between the Berlin and Bohn. Sail the ship for 5-6 years and then order the next one with improvements recommended for the overall design. Bohn was in service 10 years later and is very different internally to the Berlin. Canada used the Bohn design as the baseline. Canada even improved on it from German recommendations.
(Example is the Bohn's stores crane and clamshell doors are only on the port side. Protecteur has doors and cranes on both sides. So the ship doesn't ever have to flip just to store.)


At some point the Asterix needs to be replaced and that 2% needs to get hit somehow!
It would also create a nice age gap in supply ships. Asterix ~20 yrs old, Protecteur 11yrs old, Preserver 8ish yrs old, Provider 1 year old.
 
CorvetteCrunch

CorvetteCrunch

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Underway said:
I wouldn't be too surprised if we did like the Germans did between the Berlin and Bohn. Sail the ship for 5-6 years and then order the next one with improvements recommended for the overall design. Bohn was in service 10 years later and is very different internally to the Berlin. Canada used the Bohn design as the baseline. Canada even improved on it from German recommendations.
(Example is the Bohn's stores crane and clamshell doors are only on the port side. Protecteur has doors and cranes on both sides. So the ship doesn't ever have to flip just to store.)


At some point the Asterix needs to be replaced and that 2% needs to get hit somehow!
It would also create a nice age gap in supply ships. Asterix ~20 yrs old, Protecteur 11yrs old, Preserver 8ish yrs old, Provider 1 year old.
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I would like to see the RCN get at absolute minimum a third resupply vessel sometime in the future, if that be an Asterix purchase, a cheap vessel from abroad or a third JSS (Provider?) as you mention. I get the feeling Asterix won't end up purchased, I have heard some unsatisfactory things regarding the conversion and the Navy seemingly has no interest in buying her. Davie apparently wants a lot of money to sell the vessel, more than it is worth realistically.
 
CorvetteCrunch

CorvetteCrunch

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Sender said:
Really good overview of the new AOPV (AOPS) class of ships (click on the Watch on YouTube link:

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Great video speaking with the crew and letting interested parties see the inside of the ships virtually, the RCN itself needs to do more of this content or atleast support it with relevant Canadian content creators. There is a lot of avenues where the AOPS is much improved versus its Norwegian counterpart however, many of these items aren't seen as "sexy" or really visible on places like Wikipedia. There is many parties eager to lambast this program as a failure or waste of money however, they provide significant value of both Canada and the Navy going forward. The more I've looked into these vessels, the more impressed I ultimately am with the final product and what it can do focus.
 
CorvetteCrunch

CorvetteCrunch

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As a follow up, I wanted to point out a few things regarding the AOPS and crew comforts. Recruitment and especially retention have been ongoing problems throughout the RCN, so seeing some of these issues being directly addressed through quality of life improvements aboard the AOPS is a big thing. It is something to consider that the AOPS are not combatants and therefore were built to civilian standards however, they are still large and spacious vessels in comparison to the Halifax or Kingston class vessels which have far more cramped and uncomfortable interiors.

The crew compliment is relatively small for a vessel of this size, combine this with the new all ranks cafeteria and I've heard the morale/crew cohesion aboard these vessels is seemingly very good in comparison to other ships in the fleet. Internet aboard is widely available, people can stream, play games and speak with friends/family throughout the ships while deployed in most locations. Even something as small as the different ships departments taking turns cleaning the dishes helps to build camaraderie. There is ample space within the various messes, briefing rooms, etc for sailors to get together and play games/socialize/host events if they want in different groups.

Enlisted personnel are 6 people to a cabin, which have a lot of locker space for everybody's equipment as well. Each of the enlisted cabins have a private toilet/shower alongside two sinks and a small desk. Junior officers are 2 people to a cabin and seniors officers have their own, with similar accommodations as regards to restrooms/facilities. There are 3 messes aboard for senior officers, junior officers and enlisted personnel, all three of them are naturally lit through portholes which makes them feel a lot more comfortable. A gym is aboard and unlike many of the other vessels in the fleet, is reasonably sized and equipped with water fountains/cleanup areas around. This sort of thing was very much an after thought in the past and that has been rectified now. The oversized flight deck as well is great for crews to get out into the fresh air and do exercise in some nicer climates.

I've heard a lot of positive things about the AOPS from the people aboard them, to the point its actually kept people in the Navy longer than they otherwise would have been.
 
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shadow99

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To put things in perspective for the AOPS, here is a NASA video of the Artic ice limits for 2023 over a year showing the extent of winter ice.
Pretty massive and remote area that she has to operate in during the summer.

 
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shadow99

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HMCS Margaret Brooke departs for Op PROJECTION 2025
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HMCS Margaret Brooke departs for Op PROJECTION 2025 - Canadian Defence Review

HMCS Margaret Brooke departed Halifax, marking the debut of Operation (Op) PROJECTION 2025 for the Harry DeWolf-class vessel.
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Looks like an amazing deployment, 'The mission marks the first circumnavigation of South America and visit to Antarctica by a Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) vessel.'
 
FormerDirtDart

FormerDirtDart

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OK, I'm not sure where to even begin with this.

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Canada ready to buy more American products to appease Trump’s tariff threat, ambassador says
Hillman noted Canada buys more from the United States than any other country but is prepared to buy more.

“We are happy to source what we can from the United States. And we have some big military procurements coming up for example, replacing our entire submarine fleet,” she said. “Maybe those are some purchases that can happen from the U.S.”
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CJR

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Sandson41

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CJR said:
... maybe if there's some kinda trade-in deal Collins for Virginias and then the yanks onsell the Collins...).
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Don't let anyone in North America read that unless you want it to happen.

They can probably just buy a fleet of Abrams to replace Leopard 2, and re-name them the M1A3(C) 'Trump' MBT, and the problem is sorted.
 
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Sender

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John Fedup said:
Once his tariffs come in, Canada will be in recession within 3-6 months. There will be SFA for defence.
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Recession doesn't mean bankruptcy John. There will still be plenty of money for defence, especially if they move the yardstick to 2.3%, which is the big rumour around Ottawa now.
 
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