Pakistan test its first cruise missile "BABUR"
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kashifshahzad
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Can any one tell me the cost of a single babur cruise missile when it will enter the serial production i have heard on TV that tomahawk costs about $15m i think i am correst if not then some could correct me.I am asking this because if it is inexpensive then this missile can be produced extensively and then it will be a real thread to the enemy
I've got my sources back home sri. obviously i would not like to tell you there name, age, gender etc...srirangan said:
: .Do you really think anyone would be dumb enough to induct a once tested missile. i don't think so!!!. if you disagree then there is definately something wrong.
Play of words. Somebody might as well induct missiles that they have tested once but which has been tested a number of times.P.A.F said:I've got my sources back home sri. obviously i would not like to tell you there name, age, gender etc...
Do you really think anyone would be dumb enough to induct a once tested missile. i don't think so!!!. if you disagree then there is definately something wrong.
Admin: Comments deleted. This kind of response is unacceptable - you know what is right and wrong for our posting standards, make sure you play properly in here.srirangan said:Play of words. Somebody might as well induct missiles that they have tested once but which has been tested a number of times.
i've told you what i know so believe it or not. thats upto you. and if you want try and prove me wrong. u'll find that you will not be successful
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kashifshahzad
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Yeah P.A.F you are right one cannot determie the capebility of the missile in the initial tests there are a number of tests to be carries our see Indian LCA it is still doing tests when the tests will complete it will enter its serial production.If the inital tests are published and the results are bad which may happen in the testing then the impression of the researchers and the organisation would be bad.There should be done 1-2 more test which should be published or its more details must be published i also havent seen the out come of the High Marks which was the greatest ever excersice done by PAF and army aviationP.A.F said:I've got my sources back home sri. obviously i would not like to tell you there name, age, gender etc...
Do you really think anyone would be dumb enough to induct a once tested missile. i don't think so!!!. if you disagree then there is definately something wrong.
i haven't made a claim buddy. its a fact. if you don't want to believe it then thats upto you. if you want to prove me wrong by any means then thats upto you. and speaking of providing a source. well i'm not going to give you my sources name age address gender job description etc.....srirangan said:
once again don't chat garbage. believe the fact or prove me wrong.
I want to believe you. Now I don't remember myself asking for personal details either. Nor am I interested in proving you wrong. But then not only me, but almost everybody reading this discussion would find it hard to believe somebody coming along making claims and saying "his sources" made that information available to him.
If the Pakistan Govt wanted to keep the info confidential, you wouldn't have got to know about it either. You are merely speculating, and backing the speculations based on some self reasoning and deductions. Keep it up!
And now, let's get back to the topic. It is clear you have nothing left to back up your claim. Let's just move on ahead with the discussion.
My source are people involved in the development of this missile. its not a internet web page. so u asking for a source obviously means personal details.srirangan said:
Now not everyone knows someone involved in the project. so yes they will find it hard to believe. especially non-pakistanis. Hint Hint...
The pakistani government doesn't want to keep the project confidential. thats why they did a test infront of the public. no they are not going to publish every test result in the pakistani times are they. use a little common sense sri. you are a university graduate and surely you should know that testing is the major part of any projects success. u should know that as ur doing or have done a degree in computer science as i can recall. (correct me if i'm wrong).
now musharuff himself said that the missile would go into production soon. i'm sure 1 test didn't determine it all.
another one of your posts will not be replied to. believe the fact or don't belive. thats upto you. but i haven't got the time to keep backing up my SO CALLED CLAIM.
Lets get back to the topic now
Don't assume what I said and what I didn't. I never said the missile hasn't gone through multiple tests. Your claim still stands unsubstantiated. 90% of the readers won't believe you (Pakistani or non-Pakistani) when you make claims on the internet that you have sources who are insiders in high profile military project. Okay, don't give us any details. Just give us a date and time of the second test. Is that too mcuh to ask?
I never said the missile hasn't gone through multiple tests. Your claim still stands unsubstantiated. 90% of the readers won't believe you (Pakistani or non-Pakistani) when you make claims on the internet that you have sources who are insiders in high profile military project. Okay, don't give us any details. Just give us a date and time of the second test. Is that too mcuh to ask?
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Refer to the above.P.A.F said:
Thats actually a Mods role to make a call on.P.A.F said:Lets get back to the topic now
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PAF this applies to you, this thread, others, others discussing issues in other threads. Stick to the rules.
If you are going to make a claim, make a claim but don't drag the argument forward with further claims and counter claims. It doesn't help you nor the other person seeking some type of reference and rightly so.
If missile is inducted in Pakistan armed force, good for Pakistan. If it isn't, then we know it will be after some more testing. After you made the claim, it has been nothing but ass rubbing for almost two pages in this thread. What good was that for?
If news is confidential and only YOU know about it, maybe it is a good idea that it shouldn't be posted on a public forum.
If you are going to make a claim, make a claim but don't drag the argument forward with further claims and counter claims. It doesn't help you nor the other person seeking some type of reference and rightly so.
If missile is inducted in Pakistan armed force, good for Pakistan. If it isn't, then we know it will be after some more testing. After you made the claim, it has been nothing but ass rubbing for almost two pages in this thread. What good was that for?
If news is confidential and only YOU know about it, maybe it is a good idea that it shouldn't be posted on a public forum.
mysterious
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Bringing this thread back to life somewhat, I'd like to ask a few questions which haven't been answered as yet.
Is the 'Babar' Cruise Missile intended to be submarine launched only or it would also be made to launch from surface combatants? I ask this as I'm not sure if any of the current Pakistan Navy's surface combatants have VLS and that also Babar specific. Do the forth-coming F-22P frigates have VLS capable of handling Babar missile?
Is the 'Babar' Cruise Missile intended to be submarine launched only or it would also be made to launch from surface combatants? I ask this as I'm not sure if any of the current Pakistan Navy's surface combatants have VLS and that also Babar specific. Do the forth-coming F-22P frigates have VLS capable of handling Babar missile?
hovercraft
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mysterious said:
- Baber cruise missile is able to lounch from ground, air, ships and also submarines.(this announced on PTV when this missile tested, dated 11-august, and this is also my birthday too.
- no pakistani navy surface combatant have vertical lounch system for such type missile, that are only for anti air warfare.
- with some modifications pakistani fast attack missile boats are able to fire baber cruise missiles, but not yet these type of missile boats were builted.
- i think f-22P are not able to fire these missiles pakistan is purchasing us navy's old perry class frigates to modificate these and make these baber cruise missile lounch capable.
hawa-ka-sipahi
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Babur Ii
greetings!
what about BABUR II missile i have heard , having range of up to 1000 kms!?
also how BABUR can be air lanched from Mirage/JF-17/F-16s?
how effective is the GPS/INS systems?
AND is F-7PG also capable of firing BABUR?(since it is GPS/INS guided)
greetings!
what about BABUR II missile i have heard , having range of up to 1000 kms!?
also how BABUR can be air lanched from Mirage/JF-17/F-16s?
how effective is the GPS/INS systems?
AND is F-7PG also capable of firing BABUR?(since it is GPS/INS guided)
In my Opinion, Babur would be most useful as SLCM. When enough headway is made in physical and electronic integration of a new system with the existing platforms, the true implementation of "second strike" capabillity will be realized.mysterious said:
I personally do not see a point of Babur on surface platforms. C-802s, Harpoons etc are sufficient to cater for the current or future threats. An anti-ship surface launch CM could be interesting to some, but OHT sensors is something to think about. Maybe ALCM makes sense, but threat in the air is something to ponder about.
agree wholeheartedly. SLCM assists in establishing 2nd and 3rd strike options.shamsi said:
its a whole lot harder to detect and prosecute against a sub than it is against a skimmer.