interesting when was the sa-2 installed?the ceiling of the mig25 is nearly 100000 feet,also sa2 was a pretty obsolete missile.aaaditya pakistan does have the ability to intercept foxbats ever heard of the SA-2 they are installed in kahuta specifically to avoid reconiasance flights over islamabad.in order to enter islamabad's airspace you got to pass through kahuta and by the way the SA-2 has a ceiling of 85,000 ft and a range of 60 km.under these circumstances i dont think your theory of challenging the PAF is feasible enough
well that's what i think
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NO worries dude got it coverd.(please don't ask for specifics no information will be provided)
wrong dude.fox bat will be able to fly up to an altitude of 82,000 ft / 25 000 m, together with a well-known test pilot onboard, on a high-altitude, Russian supersonic jet fighter MiG-25 "Fox bat". Flight a MIG-25 “Fox bat” at the speed of Mach 2.65 is the most.
we have pretty decent Sam's installed after the sonic boom.sa2 is your understanding.cheers
well maybe after the intalled after the sonic boom incident,but definitely not before that,by the way can you tell me what is the most modern surface to air missile in the pakistani air defence arsenal and its max range,ceiling altitude and speed?
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Well the one with most range is the SA-2
Class: Medium Range, Surface to Air Missile System
Origin:China Length: 10.7 meters
Diameter: 70.0 cm
Tail Span: 54.0 cm
Weight: 2300.0 Kg
Warhead: 130 Kg High Explosive
Propulsion: Solid Propellant Booser with Liquid Propellant Sustainer
Guidance: Radio Command
Max Speed: 3.5 Mach
Max Range: 60 KM
Ceiling: 85,000 feet
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My Sources say that the air defence command is very close to purchasing both new medium and long range SAMs with ToT. Selection is in i's final stages and as soon as the nod is given by the president those missiles will be coming straight to Pakistan.:nutkick
Origin:China Length: 10.7 meters
Diameter: 70.0 cm
Tail Span: 54.0 cm
Weight: 2300.0 Kg
Warhead: 130 Kg High Explosive
Propulsion: Solid Propellant Booser with Liquid Propellant Sustainer
Guidance: Radio Command
Max Speed: 3.5 Mach
Max Range: 60 KM
Ceiling: 85,000 feet
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My Sources say that the air defence command is very close to purchasing both new medium and long range SAMs with ToT. Selection is in i's final stages and as soon as the nod is given by the president those missiles will be coming straight to Pakistan.:nutkick
will the new medium range missile be a chinese one or the italian system?
After seeing the range you posted for HQ-2, I'm already wondering how good your sources are.
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Sorry!!! My bad there. the max range is 32KM
. By the way it's a family member who told me about the new acquisition. and he's up there in the ranks. So there is no need to wonder how good my sources are because you'll see for your self in the coming months.
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Can't say yet. you'll see.
So is Pakistan gearing towards a major arms purchase from France?
DragonKing786
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Can you provide the specs' of this radar, and how do you know is it personal sources. Will it be the PESA radar or the Active Array radar they are working on?
PS. Salam bro I'm Adnan_Shaukat from PakDef.info
RBE2 is a PESA radar and is currently used on the Rafale. From 2012 onwards it will be replaced by the AESA RBE-2-AA. It can track 40 targets and engage 8 of them.Can you provide the specs' of this radar, and how do you know is it personal sources. Will it be the PESA radar or the Active Array radar they are working on?
PS. Salam bro I'm Adnan_Shaukat from PakDef.info
DragonKing786
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I see I noticed it has around 120-140KM range, any idea how much improvement will be on the AESA, in terms of range and functions.
actually, I'm not that impressed by RBE-2 in terms of range. It's only about 100 km vs fighter size target. Compared to a modern PD radar, it has better tracking + higher engagement numbers, but that really isn't an advantage for JF-17, considering that you can only carry two MRAAM with it. And with JF-17's smaller nose, you would have to shrink the radar, which means less power -> shorter range. You might end up with 80 km vs 1 m^2 target at the best case scenario. There are certain inheritant advantages for a PESA radar over PD radar, but I don't think that justifies the cost increase.
Thanks TP for your comments. I reported what I heard. Does not mean that it may be the best option. But I do like to promote a healthy discussion on the viability/usefulness of the system on JF-17, without being pro or anti pakistan. TP's response is an excellent example.
The French reckon the limited range isn't a problem in a networked environment with multiple sensors, including AWACS, such as the AdlA operates within. The idea is that fighters in such an environment don't use their radars to detect incoming aircraft, but to track targets handed off to them from other sensors. They claim that means the advantages of e-scan over m-scan radars within their operating range are enough to make up for a shorter range.
Of course, this falls down if you're operating alone, without off-board networked sensors, & someone with a cruder but longer-range mechanically scanned radar detects you from outside the range of your radar, but within the range of his (or his silently operating comrades) weapons, or uses his first look to avoid combat. Whether that's a problem or not depends on who you expect to fight, & in what circumstances.
I believe that PESA is at a dead end, and would rather PAF go for a smaller - less capable - but cheaper AESA radar. I think listing RBE2 as an official option may push competing European firms to come up with high performance radars that would be feasible to integrate on JF-17.
However an RBE2 equipped fighter would be effective in the situation swerve described above. Could Pakistan procuring Erieye and Hawkeye as well as seeking Chinese AWACS be connected to seeking RBE2 for JF-17?
However an RBE2 equipped fighter would be effective in the situation swerve described above. Could Pakistan procuring Erieye and Hawkeye as well as seeking Chinese AWACS be connected to seeking RBE2 for JF-17?