Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

[n21]

Again, it picked up the news from who? Hindu.com. Read the interfax report, a much more reliable source.

A person with little bit of brain does not need this type of "news" reporting. Ask your self this question:

Say you want to start a MULTI-MILLION dollar project, would you start the project WITHOUT securing and making sure that the MAIN COMPONENT of that project (engine) in this case is ready and okay to go from people you will buy it from?

Those in the industry please correct me if I am wrong? I would not start such project, risking millions of dollars and then find out no engine. Its like building a house but roof first and then the foundation.

Also note, no comments from China or Pakistan on this matter. For me that points to the fact that Russians are playing a political game with the Indians as far as "denying" the engine goes.

What other options did the chinese had when they started the project?
They intiated the project with the thought of replacing the russian engines once they make one of their own.

JF-17 is facing the same problem with regards to engine as India is with LCA.
Fortunately for it Russia's engines are not saction prone.

Would chinese care much when the aircraft is meant for someone else.They would have been much more serious about the engine choice if PLAAF was highly interested in the aircraft.

 

[uaf]

Salaam,
i m a new member to this forum i have been reading this topic for a while. i wanted to know if there is a chance for pakistan getting another US plane like F-15E or F-35 or F-16E/F (even NG) or any other european plane such as rafael or ef-2000 keeping in mind the current acquisitions of PAF.
in 2020 PAF should have
100 F-16 blk 52+ & 30 F-16 blk60
200 Jf-17
100 J-10
50-60 Rafael or EF-2000 or JSF or SU-(any russian plane if possible)
20-30 Any 5th gen plane to be inducted some where in 2019-2020

i wanted to ask if the PAF modernization plan 2019 is available or any guide line r available for comon ppl. and when is first F-16 C\D new & A\B old r going to enter in PAF service.

Honey it would be a logistic nightmare to have that diverse Air Force

but over and above Pakistan Should try to completely avoid Purchasing Planes from USA I am Happy at last Pakistan Choose J-10 and than we are going for FC-20 ( although doubts what exactly it is ) , To give an example have you heard few US Senators are preparing a Bill to Stop any kind of Military Aid to Pakistan unless Mr. Bush will assure Pakistan is worthy Ally LOLZ What a joke we are loosing soldiers for them putting 80,000 Troops for them and still not doing enough lets get those soldiers back to barracks we will always have the “ We aren’t Doing Enough “ I wont be surprised after Bush Democrats will put sanctions again on PAK and probably the F-16 will end up in Arizona LOLZ sorry but its so funny Americans aren’t winning any hearts in fact people like me who thought Pakistan is a ally to USA Naw think again (whoops sorry )

So don’t thing of F-35 or else Think about J-XX and more China will be a Power to recon with in next 20 years you will see. And being in China's basket can only secure us.J-10 is not a bad plan in fact the future variants will have more updates as well the changes personally I am very excited about it.

Cheers

Ali

 

[DragonKing786]

Honey it would be a logistic nightmare to have that diverse Air Force

but over and above Pakistan Should try to completely avoid Purchasing Planes from USA I am Happy at last Pakistan Choose J-10 and than we are going for FC-20 ( although doubts what exactly it is ) , To give an example have you heard few US Senators are preparing a Bill to Stop any kind of Military Aid to Pakistan unless Mr. Bush will assure Pakistan is worthy Ally LOLZ What a joke we are loosing soldiers for them putting 80,000 Troops for them and still not doing enough lets get those soldiers back to barracks we will always have the “ We aren’t Doing Enough “ I wont be surprised after Bush Democrats will put sanctions again on PAK and probably the F-16 will end up in Arizona LOLZ sorry but its so funny Americans aren’t winning any hearts in fact people like me who thought Pakistan is a ally to USA Naw think again (whoops sorry )

So don’t thing of F-35 or else Think about J-XX and more China will be a Power to recon with in next 20 years you will see. And being in China's basket can only secure us.J-10 is not a bad plan in fact the future variants will have more updates as well the changes personally I am very excited about it.

Cheers

Ali

Yup,. I been following up on that as well and like you said they then go on a rampage saying, "why they don't like us after we try to win their hearts and minds". I been saying this before and say it again going for F-16s are just a liability and sadly PAF is ignoring history, being with China is very secure their the only nation that came to our need in the last 3 wars with military hardware and ammunition. As for J-10 it has alot of room for upgrades according to what I have read it's up to Block 30 (according to what I have read and compared I could be wrong unless another updated source came out which show new capabilities), China on the other hand is also working on AESA radar for J-10, and PAF is looking for AESA radar from a British firm so really PAF isn't in such a bad position and with possible link with AWACS Pakistan will have a formidable airforce since alot of sancations have been lifted, but remember I also believe US will pull another "Not Doing Enough" and pointing fingers of their failures and slap other sancations this whole Non-NATO ally is just a joke and many Pakistani's also know this, as well as the govt. people,. I mean come on for 10 years they never looked at Pakistan and when they need us they give fancy titles which will hold no meaning soon once this "joke of a war" on terror is over.

Also,. if we were such an ally why weren't we offered other planes from US like they are marketing to India. The proof is their as well as other deals.

 

[webmaster]

Folks, lets not whine and cry about the politics involved in acquiring fighter jets for Pakistan Air Force.

We want to discuss strategic importance and balance of power in the region if pakistan were to get such and such fighter jet.

 

[falconlover81]

Pakistan receives first batch of 8 cobra helicopters

US hands over 8 Cobra helicopters to Army Aviation

ISLAMABAD, Feb 2 (APP): The United States on Friday handed over first batch of eight gunship Cobra helicopters to Pakistan Army Aviation at a ceremony held at Qasim Aviation Base in Rawalpindi
Secretary Defence Lt. Gen ® Tariq Wasim Ghazi was the chief guest who was formally handed over the keys of the refurbished fleet of the gunships by the US Ambassador Ryan C. Croker.

These gunships are the first shipment out of total 40 lethal choppers to be supplied to Pakistan on gratis basis
Speaking on the occasion, the US Ambassador said that Pakistan would soon be delivered F-16 aircraft as committed by the US. He said the US is fulfilling its commitment with Pakistan to meet its security needs under Security Assistance Programme.

In the naval sector, he said the US is carrying out the PC-3 Orion aircraft programme.
He said the lot of Cobra is being handed over to Pakistan as part of the 5 years assistance programme as indicated by the US President George W Bush earlier in 2003.

He said the US is not only assisting Pakistan in the defence sector but also in the socoi-economic and other development sectors.
He said Pakistan is an important strategic partner of the US and hoped that this long-term partnership would continue in future as well. "We are partners in war on terror. We support each other as we are strategic partners," he said.

He appreciated the role of Pakistan's security forces and said their role in peace keeping as part of the United Nations has attracted accolades not only at national but also at the world level. "The international community is highly appreciative to their role," he said.

He said Pakistan has emerged as regional power due to its moderate and progressive approach.
Secretary Defence thanked the US for providing the assistance in defence sector. He said a modernization plan of the country's security forces is being carried out.

He said the delivery of Cobra Helicopters is a manifestation of our mutual long-term relationship.

He expressed gratitude to the US government for extension of their substantial support to Pakistan. The mutual cooperation will continue with great strength to bring about peace and stability, he added.
He felicitated Army Aviation for their role in various challenges, may it be war on terror or during the hard times of earthquake.

In his address of welcome General Officer Commanding Aviation Corps Major General Javed Aslam Tahir highlighted the role of Cobra gunships and hoped the induction of the batch would go a long way in fortifying the country's defence.

Senior officers of Aviation Corps were also present.
LINK:http://www.app.com.pk/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3174&Itemid=2

Guys isnt that great now we have got 58 lethal cobra choppers with 32 more waiting in the wings.

 

[meh]

Honey it would be a logistic nightmare to have that diverse Air Force

but over and above Pakistan Should try to completely avoid Purchasing Planes from USA I am Happy at last Pakistan Choose J-10 and than we are going for FC-20 ( although doubts what exactly it is ) ,
Ali

What does the FC-20 look like and what country of origan is it from?

 

[swerve]

What does the FC-20 look like and what country of origan is it from?

China. Where else could it possibly be from?

 

[SABRE]

What does the FC-20 look like and what country of origan is it from?

FC-20 is export designation for the J-10. Its not known whether Pakistan has named the aircraft FC-20 (So it does not sound inferior to F-16 when termed as F-10) or the Chinese (So that it does not sound inferior to either F-16 or F-18).

 

[DragonKing786]

RE: Cobra Helicopters,

Nice,. we should look at some European choppers as well to diversify our weapons, also check out the new camp looks pretty sweet, change from our original olive green base color, to a desert camo type. Also,. Chinese WZ10 looks pretty interesting aswell.

 

[iceman_pk]

i think Eurotiger is bieng considered by PA instead of Chinese WZ10 we should go for Eurotiger as our navy is now also tilted towards German U-214 and due to this we might have chance for EF-2000 some time later...

 

[uaf]

FC-20 is export designation for the J-10. Its not known whether Pakistan has named the aircraft FC-20 (So it does not sound inferior to F-16 when termed as F-10) or the Chinese (So that it does not sound inferior to either F-16 or F-18).

Naw buddy if you remember the interview of PAF cheif he clearly said pakistan is acquiring J-10 with code name of F-10 and PAF will also most probabaly purchase FC-20 Only if you remember that too bad i dont have that interview but you can get it from this thread but you will have to serach it in previous posts and we still dont know what is FC-20 (either Super-10 or ......)

cheers

Ali

 

[johndoe]

Super 10? :huh:

There was Super 7 but that turned to FC-1 (JF-17). The plane is on hold since russia is unwilling to provide engines to Pakistan (the whole export license problem).

J10 has a russian engine as well! I guess PAF will have to wait longer for an "indiginous" chinese engine.

 

[falconlover81]

Naw buddy if you remember the interview of PAF cheif he clearly said pakistan is acquiring J-10 with code name of F-10 and PAF will also most probabaly purchase FC-20 Only if you remember that too bad i dont have that interview but you can get it from this thread but you will have to serach it in previous posts and we still dont know what is FC-20 (either Super-10 or ......)

cheers

Ali

Ali we do know what the FC-20 is.Actually all this confusion is created due to the usage of two code names for the same fighter,i mean the J-10 was originally christined as the F-10 but in the armed forces development program
(AFFDIP-2019) document the J-10 is mentioned as the FC-20 so whether its F-10 or the FC-20 it refers to the same fighter that is the J-10.Senior members present in this forum like sir shamim will vindicate my argument.
My two cents

 

[BilalK]

Super 10? :huh:

There was Super 7 but that turned to FC-1 (JF-17). The plane is on hold since russia is unwilling to provide engines to Pakistan (the whole export license problem).

J10 has a russian engine as well! I guess PAF will have to wait longer for an "indiginous" chinese engine.

The Russians have yet to make an official statement on the matter. Secondly the WS-13 (Chinese version of RD-93) is in its final testing stages and its performance is better than RD-93's. Given that WS-13 is based off RD-93, it should not take much to modify JF-17 for WS-13.

The Chinese WS-10 has already been tested on J-10s and it the J-10 is already being marketed for export to Pakistan and new reports - Iran.

 

[iceman_pk]

mr falconlover81 do u have (AFFDIP-2019) document ???? that u r referring if yes then can i have a look at it??????

As for FC-10 think that it might be Super-10 b\c our CAS has named both F-10 & FC-20 and if i remember correctly he said '..... more f-10 will be bought and we might buy some FC-20..."
this shows it's another plane either super-10 or J-XX.. it might be in development or may fly in 2-3 years...

 

[Scimitar]

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that FC-20 is a codename for J-10( the other and more widely known code name being FC-10).

And I don't think that Pakistan will be getting the J-XX anytime soon since its still in development and China doesn't even have it yet.

 

[tphuang]

The Russians have yet to make an official statement on the matter. Secondly the WS-13 (Chinese version of RD-93) is in its final testing stages and its performance is better than RD-93's. Given that WS-13 is based off RD-93, it should not take much to modify JF-17 for WS-13.

The Chinese WS-10 has already been tested on J-10s and it the J-10 is already being marketed for export to Pakistan and new reports - Iran.

for very obvious reasons, J-10 will not be sold to Iran in the forseeable future.
super-10 is nothing but a term made up by the Russians.

 

[uaf]

Ali we do know what the FC-20 is.Actually all this confusion is created due to the usage of two code names for the same fighter,i mean the J-10 was originally christined as the F-10 but in the armed forces development program
(AFFDIP-2019) document the J-10 is mentioned as the FC-20 so whether its F-10 or the FC-20 it refers to the same fighter that is the J-10.Senior members present in this forum like sir shamim will vindicate my argument.
My two cents

Well I don’t know what it is my guess is it will be update versions of J-10 either with TVC (thrust vectoring) or twin engine but TVC is more likely as I see it. but nevertheless what it is it surely will be better than the current versions of J-10 which has almost same firepower of F-16 blk 40 so we don’t need to worry much of US sanction in coming future which I am sure will happen after 2008 check out the history Democrats always did it (sorry but it is the fact).


For another Q of J-10 having Russian engine buddy you should check
www.sinodefenceforum.com

The heated discussion in there is J-10's with Ws-10 and Russian Engine have already been spotted even you will get some pix of it.

Cheers

Ali

 

[falconlover81]

mr falconlover81 do u have (AFFDIP-2019) document ???? that u r referring if yes then can i have a look at it??????

As for FC-10 think that it might be Super-10 b\c our CAS has named both F-10 & FC-20 and if i remember correctly he said '..... more f-10 will be bought and we might buy some FC-20..."
this shows it's another plane either super-10 or J-XX.. it might be in development or may fly in 2-3 years...

Mr iceman to be really honest I dont have the document right now and as far as the information is concerned,trust me on this it is from a very reliable source.
As far as your second point is concerned I repeat FC-20 is J-10A in its present form and it has nothing to do with super-10 or any other aircraft.all this confusion is due to the usage of both the codenames for the same aircraft
J-XX is currently under development but at this stage you really cant give a timeframe for the aircraft to fly

 

[SABRE]

Naw buddy if you remember the interview of PAF cheif he clearly said pakistan is acquiring J-10 with code name of F-10 and PAF will also most probabaly purchase FC-20 Only if you remember that too bad i dont have that interview but you can get it from this thread but you will have to serach it in previous posts and we still dont know what is FC-20 (either Super-10 or ......)

cheers

Ali

uaf;

I am a "Defence & Strategy" student in Islamabad, with PAF personel as my seniors & now as my juniors as well. I had once inquired abt FC-20 thing from a pilot & he said it is designation for J-10. Another aircraft PAF might be interested in JH-7 (Maritime-Bomber/fighter) but China has designated its export version has FBC-1 (Fighter-Bomber China-1). I doubt that designation would be termed to FC-20.

Still I would again ask a person who should have more information than my first source. But I have no doubt its J-10.