Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

[baqai]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here so kindly excuse me I am from Karachi Pakistan

Here is what i think,

F-10 (J-10) indeed would be a worthy fighter for our Airforce, if i am not wrong in this thread i have read someone posting that we are also asking for transfer of technology / assembly so we can manufacture the aircraft here in our own country, may sound far fetch but if we compare trasnfering technology with America, France or any other nation i would rather place my bets on China

PAF regardless of anything WILL love to get their hands on F-16 ( i love the aircraft myself so a big from me on that ) and i think PAF would be looking forward for two front line fighters in shape of J-10 and F-16 C/D

The following looks good for a defensive nation in my opinion

• F-16 Block 52 C/D
• F-16 Block 32 A/B ( I believe Block 15 when MLU is equivalent or is Block 30/32? )
• J-10
• F7-P to be replaced by JF-17
• Mirages Fleet to be replaced by F-7P We can still use our existing Mirage fleet for dedicated Maritime operations or for FCU usage?
• Q-5 to resume its role but might be changed to recon, SEED ( can A-5 / Q-5 be configured as SEED aircraft? it is already ground support aircraft )

PAF i think so is making a good decission by relying less on America, since in past American goverment have proved to be very unstable in terms of decissions and emargo's over Pakistan, Russia is finally taking intrest in Pakistan and may want to strike a deal with us,

I would like to ask the experts around here, what would be practical use of having air refueling in our nation? we have rather small geographic area to defend ( i am one of those people who think to us defensive is more important issue ATM than offensive ) rather than having having air refueling we can always have other aircraft's on CAP in short period of time, i am being wrong? if so than kindly tell me how



regards,

Saquib

 

[zoolander]

i thought because it has russian engine it cannot be sold to third party like nigeria and egypt. I thought russians made chinese sign this to make sure their mig 29s would not have any additional competition.

 

[aaaditya]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here so kindly excuse me I am from Karachi Pakistan

Here is what i think,

F-10 (J-10) indeed would be a worthy fighter for our Airforce, if i am not wrong in this thread i have read someone posting that we are also asking for transfer of technology / assembly so we can manufacture the aircraft here in our own country, may sound far fetch but if we compare trasnfering technology with America, France or any other nation i would rather place my bets on China

PAF regardless of anything WILL love to get their hands on F-16 ( i love the aircraft myself so a big from me on that ) and i think PAF would be looking forward for two front line fighters in shape of J-10 and F-16 C/D

The following looks good for a defensive nation in my opinion

• F-16 Block 52 C/D
• F-16 Block 32 A/B ( I believe Block 15 when MLU is equivalent or is Block 30/32? )
• J-10
• F7-P to be replaced by JF-17
• Mirages Fleet to be replaced by F-7P We can still use our existing Mirage fleet for dedicated Maritime operations or for FCU usage?
• Q-5 to resume its role but might be changed to recon, SEED ( can A-5 / Q-5 be configured as SEED aircraft? it is already ground support aircraft )

PAF i think so is making a good decission by relying less on America, since in past American goverment have proved to be very unstable in terms of decissions and emargo's over Pakistan, Russia is finally taking intrest in Pakistan and may want to strike a deal with us,

I would like to ask the experts around here, what would be practical use of having air refueling in our nation? we have rather small geographic area to defend ( i am one of those people who think to us defensive is more important issue ATM than offensive ) rather than having having air refueling we can always have other aircraft's on CAP in short period of time, i am being wrong? if so than kindly tell me how



regards,

Saquib

q-5 are quite outdated ,i believe they should be replaced by jh7.

i think pakistani airforce will look more secure with an airforce comprising of :

f16b52(multirole),f10(multirole),fc1(airdefence/ground attack) and jh7(dpsa) roles.

 

[suryaaa]

i think this will be beter comb for paf

1)f-c1
2)f-16(old and new)special task
3)j-10(if they can get)
4)rest of the old air crafts in good condition.


i think they should concentrate more on fc-1,& their excisting f-16.

 

[SABRE]

Retired Air Marshal Riaz Udin Shiekh in his interview with GEO Tv (Topic: JF-17) said that Pakistan is working on Space Weapon System and advance technology is being used for it.

He also said Pakistan should buy new aircrafts which have life of 15 to 20 years. He also said Chinese technology is far behind American but the lack of quality in avionics department can be over come by American technology.

He also said Mirages are old (& must go soon).

 

[powerslavenegi]

Space Weapon System???

Retired Air Marshal Riaz Udin Shiekh in his interview with GEO Tv (Topic: JF-17) said that Pakistan is working on Space Weapon System and advance technology is being used for it.

He also said Pakistan should buy new aircrafts which have life of 15 to 20 years. He also said Chinese technology is far behind American but the lack of quality in avionics department can be over come by American technology.

He also said Mirages are old (& must go soon).

Space Weapon System!!! What sort of possible threat perception has lead to such a decision(for India and Pak are too close Geographically to detect and intercept Ballistic missiles.? By the way I wanted to know about Pakistan's space programme

 

[BilalK]

Space Weapon System!!! What sort of possible threat perception has lead to such a decision(for India and Pak are too close Geographically to detect and intercept Ballistic missiles.? By the way I wanted to know about Pakistan's space programme

It could mean surveillance satellites, jamming devices, or perhaps something radical like satellite dropping?

 

[norinco89]

I dont think Pakistan has a space program. I think militarization of space is wrong and unneeded. We dont need a space arms race here. I oppose all forms of weapons in space. GPS i dont consider military by the way. The weapons i am talking about are like missiles or tungston rockets.

 

[SABRE]

I dont think Pakistan has a space program.

Two satellites have already been launched. 3rd and 4th are under construction. Plus a joint Space Program is under development between Pakistan, China and few small countries have also been invited. Early last year, President said to expand and advance space program. So what u think is not right. Pakistan is only Muslim country to have a Spece program.

I think militarization of space is wrong and unneeded. We dont need a space arms race here. I oppose all forms of weapons in space. GPS i dont consider military by the way. The weapons i am talking about are like missiles or tungston rockets.

According to some experts (in Pakistan as well i.e. rtd Air Marsha Riza Uddin Shiekh), militarilization of space will become 4th branch of military after Army, AirForce and Navy.

I would say it is rather 5th branch. I usualy count Missile Defence System as a separate branch, but some times I find it under the army.

Anyways; Russia has already weaponised the space, U.S.A last year said to weaponize space (they might already have) and countries like China, India and Isreal might be probably be working on it. Than why should Pakistan stay behind.

 

[SABRE]

It could mean surveillance satellites, jamming devices, or perhaps something radical like satellite dropping?

Could be, also remember Babur Cruise Missile requires satellite guidance system as well.

But from what I understood from Riaz Uddin Shiekh's statement was that the Satellite should be capable of launching attack enemy and defend Pakistani airspace. (I dnt have much knowledge on satellites so i cant shed too much light on it, hoping some one else would and add to my knowledge as well).

 

[pshamim]

Retired Air Marshal Riaz Udin Shiekh in his interview with GEO Tv (Topic: JF-17) said that Pakistan is working on Space Weapon System and advance technology is being used for it.

He also said Pakistan should buy new aircrafts which have life of 15 to 20 years. He also said Chinese technology is far behind American but the lack of quality in avionics department can be over come by American technology.

He also said Mirages are old (& must go soon).

Sabre heard it right. Air Marshal was correct also. The only reason it is not well known because Pakistanis and Chinese like to work quietly rather than splashing it across the net. You may not find this stuff on .net so do not ask for links. But I can assure you that it is correct to say that Chinese and Pakistanis together are working jointly on such projects.

It may sound like a James Bond story and some might not believe it but Pakistan and China have cooperated in developing space fighting skills. They have been creating anti-satellite weapons, heavy and small lift boosters and other space systems


Various space programs are in full swing which include Anti Satellite lasers which will help in creation of intercepting and direction finding devices in space including Jammers. These jammers are to be used against the enemy GPS, surveillance, and communications.

Some of the Chinese Launches have involved 100% of Pakistani payload into the space

According to some reports that emanated in US Department of Defense, Systems once fully deployed will provide a robust regional surveillance capabilities as well
Pakistan and China have worked together in acquiring technologies that will help them in killing enemy satellites. Lasers are a big part of this expeditious project

 

[aaaditya]

Two satellites have already been launched. 3rd and 4th are under construction. Plus a joint Space Program is under development between Pakistan, China and few small countries have also been invited. Early last year, President said to expand and advance space program. So what u think is not right. Pakistan is only Muslim country to have a Spece program.





According to some experts (in Pakistan as well i.e. rtd Air Marsha Riza Uddin Shiekh), militarilization of space will become 4th branch of military after Army, AirForce and Navy.

I would say it is rather 5th branch. I usualy count Missile Defence System as a separate branch, but some times I find it under the army.

Anyways; Russia has already weaponised the space, U.S.A last year said to weaponize space (they might already have) and countries like China, India and Isreal might be probably be working on it. Than why should Pakistan stay behind.

well a slight correction,china ,india and israel have already weaponised space,if their dedicated space based surveillance capabilities are anything to go by.for example israel had recently launched the ofek-5 satellite,also india and china have hypersonic space vehicles programmes.

 

[powerslavenegi]

Space based weapons

Two satellites have already been launched. 3rd and 4th are under construction. Plus a joint Space Program is under development between Pakistan, China and few small countries have also been invited. Early last year, President said to expand and advance space program. So what u think is not right. Pakistan is only Muslim country to have a Spece program.
According to some experts (in Pakistan as well i.e. rtd Air Marsha Riza Uddin Shiekh), militarilization of space will become 4th branch of military after Army, AirForce and Navy.
I would say it is rather 5th branch. I usualy count Missile Defence System as a separate branch, but some times I find it under the army.
Anyways; Russia has already weaponised the space, U.S.A last year said to weaponize space (they might already have) and countries like China, India and Isreal might be probably be working on it. Than why should Pakistan stay behind.

Hmm. I wonder during a battle who would launch Pak Satellites/space based Lasers into space for they dont have the capability as of now(and if someone does it would be seen as a direct involvment in the conflict).

 

[pshamim]

Hmm. I wonder during a battle who would launch Pak Satellites/space based Lasers into space for they dont have the capability as of now(and if someone does it would be seen as a direct involvment in the conflict).

What makes you think that they do not have the capability at the moment. Several Chinese launches have already carried Pakistani payload into the space. Can any one say for sure what it contained. If you do, please let us know.

 

[suryaaa]

guys you are all forgetting china a major ally of pak ,thery together developed a fighter ,and china is providing new tech to pak,so if pak can dvelop a satelite warfare system then china without any hesitation will give their launchers to pak to fulfill their dreams

power about your coment on direct involment ,see you dont have to inform public to start such project ,you know that happend in past .

 

[SABRE]

powerslavenegi and suryaaa;

The Badr-1 (1st Satellite) was launched by Chinese, while Badr-2 (2nd Satellite) was launched by Russians from a base near Uzubikistan. In my circle of sources it is said that the Russians did not even inquire the purpose of the Satellite nor inspected the Satellite.

On the other hand. Pakistan may very well be working on its own launch-pads (most probably along with China). There are alot of Pakistani boys who have left their jobs at NASA to join work here in Pakistan after 9/11. And many more are joining in.

 

[chaoticsensatio]

Sabre heard it right. Air Marshal was correct also. The only reason it is not well known because Pakistanis and Chinese like to work quietly rather than splashing it across the net. You may not find this stuff on .net so do not ask for links. But I can assure you that it is correct to say that Chinese and Pakistanis together are working jointly on such projects.

It may sound like a James Bond story and some might not believe it but Pakistan and China have cooperated in developing space fighting skills. They have been creating anti-satellite weapons, heavy and small lift boosters and other space systems


Various space programs are in full swing which include Anti Satellite lasers which will help in creation of intercepting and direction finding devices in space including Jammers. These jammers are to be used against the enemy GPS, surveillance, and communications.

Some of the Chinese Launches have involved 100% of Pakistani payload into the space

According to some reports that emanated in US Department of Defense, Systems once fully deployed will provide a robust regional surveillance capabilities as well
Pakistan and China have worked together in acquiring technologies that will help them in killing enemy satellites. Lasers are a big part of this expeditious project

thats is very correct, but its also an old news, when I used to be a student in pakistan, in 1998,BURAK space camp and our college selected some pre-engineering students and took us to a science exhibition at Engineering council. all these possibilities were considered there. but at that point all they said that they have everything except launching pad. this also solves the mistry that some of the new misssles which are coming out with undisclosed guidance system, are using chinese and pakitani sats. but due to metallergy problem that pakistan has , I would still doubt their quality and life.
however the concept of land based anit sat laser is very old.(with respect to pakistan)

 

[powerslavenegi]

Payload matters

What makes you think that they do not have the capability at the moment. Several Chinese launches have already carried Pakistani payload into the space. Can any one say for sure what it contained. If you do, please let us know.

There you go .does China having launch capabilities mean Pakistan has the same?ofcourse they would try to get the same in due course of time but as of now they dont have such a capability and what do you mean by Several ???? be precise my friend(would like to know their weight and kind of orbit that would be enough to reveal their functionalities),however even if their have been launches I presume them to be spy satellites ,for to have a space based laser/other exotic weapon one needs to develop a powerful yet compact design that would survive rough ride during the launch and still remai functional in orbit.Having said that even if pakistan has put such payloads in space Max life of a low orbit payload would be say 5 years that means a heavy price for putting a defence system that lasts just 5 years:tomato

 

[suryaaa]

guys pakistan is not having any such system and they are not going to make any such system in near future.
about chinas involvement belive me if china posses any such system ,then pak will have certain acess .:sniper

 

[BilalK]

There you go .does China having launch capabilities mean Pakistan has the same?ofcourse they would try to get the same in due course of time but as of now they dont have such a capability and what do you mean by Several ???? be precise my friend(would like to know their weight and kind of orbit that would be enough to reveal their functionalities),

The words "secret" and "classified" are terms you should study before asking a well advised and well credited source with such a tone. Just because it is not heavily splashed around or boasted does not mean it is false; China could have launched satellites that contain Pakistani cargo - extremely plausable.

however even if their have been launches I presume them to be spy satellites ,for to have a space based laser/other exotic weapon one needs to develop a powerful yet compact design that would survive rough ride during the launch and still remai functional in orbit.

No one said that those weapons were already launched, but what makes you think that Pakistan is not part of some large project to get such weapons launched? If India can supposedly go ahead and produce hyperspeed engines and what not; why is it that Pakistan could not go ahead and develop space weapons...that too with China? If a forum jocky like you would know what it takes to put such weapons into space...the least bit of common sence would tell you that the scientists and engineers in Pakistan's space program would know it too and better.

Having said that even if pakistan has put such payloads in space Max life of a low orbit payload would be say 5 years that means a heavy price for putting a defence system that lasts just 5 years

So Pakistan would not be willing to pay the heavy price?