Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

[aaaditya]

I agree with you Bilal, and i understand exactly what you are trying to say. America offers India F-18 E/F & F-16 Block-70 while they are just sitting down and drinking tea and we deployed around a 10,000 troops along the Afghan border, making fences and holding back refugees. It was the Indian Air Force that started this Arms race in South Asia, it was India which yet till today wants to dominate south Asia regardless of keeping defence balance.

Bilal, the PAF hasn't seen anything advanced in its arsenal for A LONG time. It's time for a change. Pakistan definately needs a new fighter plane platform. I managed to dig up some stuff on the Rafale, turns out PAF is just not in favor of it but rather the Euro-fighter would be more suitable for us. There are only a few Air crafts pakistan is actually looking towards.

J-10 (which i think we should lay off and wait to mature)
Euro-fighter (is just perfect for our new platform)
Rafale (failed to meet complete our standard):

Besides these air crafts there is just nothing there for the PAF.

of the three that you mentioned the one least likely to be acquired by paf is the ef2000 because
1)after the f22 it is perhalps the most expensive combat aircraft available costs 75+million dollars per aircraft.
2)pakistan has no experience operating a non-french european combat aircraft and hence will have to set up new facilities,training and maintainenece(it would be just as useless an option as india acquiring the f-16 or any other usa aircraft).
3)as of now a true multi role version of this aircraft is not in service ,it has suffered from problems with its 23mm cannon and its software(dont know if they have been resolved or not).

the other options are rafale and the j10 which iam sure would be a favourite of the paf if they desire to acquire a modern aircraft considering that they have operational experience with the french and chinese aircrafts.

one more drawback of the ef2000 when compared to the j10 or the rafale is that multiple countries are involved in its development and hence any country wanting to buy this aircraft will require multiple export clearance.

 

[gf0012-aust]

This is starting to get really tedious.

Can people please move beyond the issue of blaming one country for anothers military procurement or political processes.

The majority of you have been on this site long enough to know what is acceptable and what is not.

Continued failure to abide by the well known ground "rules" for posting will result in posts being deleted and this post frozen.

Last warning.​

 

[umair]

There's going to be a joint exercise between USAF and PAF at the end of this month. Of what nature ?, I don't know yet. Will post more info as I get it.

 

[Elite-Pilot]

PAF, USAF to conduct joint air exercise


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and US Air Force (USAF) would conduct joint air exercise during February and March in Pakistan.

The USAF is participating in air exercise on the request of Pakistan to undertake mutually beneficial operational missions, to extend diversified training to the aircrew from both sides and to strengthen the existing bonds of friendship between the two air forces as well as the two countries.

The US contingent is expected here in the 2nd week of February alongwith some senior officers to witness salient operational milestones of the exercise.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=93114

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Here is the news, i wonder what planes are involved in it..hopefully F-16's and F-15's

 

[aaaditya]

PAF, USAF to conduct joint air exercise


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and US Air Force (USAF) would conduct joint air exercise during February and March in Pakistan.

The USAF is participating in air exercise on the request of Pakistan to undertake mutually beneficial operational missions, to extend diversified training to the aircrew from both sides and to strengthen the existing bonds of friendship between the two air forces as well as the two countries.

The US contingent is expected here in the 2nd week of February alongwith some senior officers to witness salient operational milestones of the exercise.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=93114

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Here is the news, i wonder what planes are involved in it..hopefully F-16's and F-15's

will it also have anything usefull for the war against terror ,like air support for commando teams ,airlift etc or will it be only combat excercises.

 

[Elite-Pilot]

will it also have anything usefull for the war against terror ,like air support for commando teams ,airlift etc or will it be only combat excercises.

From the details provided to me, i believe its a normal combat exercise. When this news was on a PAK news channel, i saw fighter jets engaging. So i am about 80% sure its a C.E and another reason why i think its a C.E. is because you guy just had you "Cope India" exercise with the United States so Pakistan doesn't wanna get left behind . However I am still trying to dig up news about where its gonna be, which of our fighter will be fighting which of their planes and wheather these missions would include Air strikes,Air Lift etc.

 

[WAR]

PAF jet crashes near Bhakkar

Link:
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews


PAF jet crashes near Bhakkar
(Updated at 1600 PST)

BHAKKAR: A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) jet on training flight crashed near Bhakkar on Tuesday whereas pilot of the plane ejected safely.

According to details, a PAF F-7 plane that takes off from Mianwali Airbase was crashed near Sher Garh area of tehsil Mankera, Bhakkar at 1:40 PST. Pilot of the plane ejected safely. Fire brigade instantly extinguished the fire erupted after crash. DCO Bhakkar and DPO Bhakkar reached the incident site. Investigations of the incident underway.

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For information to the learnered members.

 

[Elite-Pilot]

Pakistan will stand by China against US ‘siege’, says Rashid

BEIJING: Pakistan will stand by China if the US ever tries to “besiege” it, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad has said. He said this while talking to a private television channel in Beijing on Wednesday.

Rashid said that President Pervez Musharraf’s visit to China will open new avenues of development and cooperation between the two countries in all sectors. Pakistan and China have signed 42 bilateral agreements during the president’s current visit, 13 of which have been reached at the government level and 27 are between the traders and entrepreneurs of both countries.

The information minister said that Pakistan and China are jointly manufacturing an F-17 thunder combat aircraft. He said that the test-flight of a second combat plane, an F-10, is scheduled for today (Thursday).

He said that Musharraf told the Chinese leadership that Pakistan wanted full membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). He said that Russian President Vladimir Putin, due to visit China next month, along with the Chinese leadership will help Pakistan acquire SCO membership. Cooperation of other SCO members – Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan – will also be sought, he said.

The president also expressed condolences for the killing of three Chinese engineers in Balochistan, he said. agencies.

 

[aaaditya]

Pakistan will stand by China against US ‘siege’, says Rashid

BEIJING: Pakistan will stand by China if the US ever tries to “besiege” it, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad has said. He said this while talking to a private television channel in Beijing on Wednesday.

Rashid said that President Pervez Musharraf’s visit to China will open new avenues of development and cooperation between the two countries in all sectors. Pakistan and China have signed 42 bilateral agreements during the president’s current visit, 13 of which have been reached at the government level and 27 are between the traders and entrepreneurs of both countries.

The information minister said that Pakistan and China are jointly manufacturing an F-17 thunder combat aircraft. He said that the test-flight of a second combat plane, an F-10, is scheduled for today (Thursday).

He said that Musharraf told the Chinese leadership that Pakistan wanted full membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). He said that Russian President Vladimir Putin, due to visit China next month, along with the Chinese leadership will help Pakistan acquire SCO membership. Cooperation of other SCO members – Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan – will also be sought, he said.

The president also expressed condolences for the killing of three Chinese engineers in Balochistan, he said. agencies.

well usa will definitely not like this statement,does this mean that pakistan will oppose the us forces in the event of a sino-us war.

 

[TheDefender]

well usa will definitely not like this statement,does this mean that pakistan will oppose the us forces in the event of a sino-us war.

Yep Adit I think you are right that if any country would try to attack China,Pakistan will definetly oppose that country by providing the logistics and also by providing its land which would give a lot boost in the strike capebilities of China.
This can be Vice Versa Who Knows:duel

 

[TheDefender]

i dont think china will come to paksitans aid militarily openly in case of war. Pakistan is not so important for china.

I dont want to get into more details but dont you know that China did helped Pakistan in the previously wars faught against its neighbour and cant you see the defence projects which are taking place between the two countries.If India is doing defencive projects with US then what do you think if war brokes out then what will US do the answer is clear US would not come to help you.no one can trust on US caz its a superpower and it will surely see its intrests not others intrests.My dear all five fingers are not equal.

 

[BilalK]

Anyways....seems the J-10/F-10 will likely be the PAF's Plus One Fighter; Musharraf sat in its cockpit, and said that the PAF was impressed by the J-10. In fact, Musharraf became the first non-Chinese head of state to officially see the J-10 and the production lines! So 150-250 JF-17s, 55+ F-16C/D Block-52, 60+ F -16A/B MLU, 50+ F-10?

There are reports of the PAF showing interest in the Chinese YJ-8? AEW; seems that if anything were to go wrong with Erieye, PAF will likely acquire the Chinese option. If that is the case, I think for infrastructure and logistical reasons, the PAF will probably acquire 2-3 YJ-8 along with 4-5 Erieye??

 

[410Cougar]

Why is it that this potential procurement of aircraft is such a big deal to you guys? How is it that you can have a discussion that takes up so much time and space on here?

It's ok to make suggestions as to what it could be, but as for 1/2 the posts on this thread it really doesn't make sense to even bring them up.

When they get a plane, talk about it. Let the government make its decision and then debate it like everyone else does.

:argue

Attila

 

[WAR]

Why is it that this potential procurement of aircraft is such a big deal to you guys? How is it that you can have a discussion that takes up so much time and space on here?

It's ok to make suggestions as to what it could be, but as for 1/2 the posts on this thread it really doesn't make sense to even bring them up.

When they get a plane, talk about it. Let the government make its decision and then debate it like everyone else does.

:argue

Attila

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Perhaps owing to excitement. When a country like Pakistan opt to procure worth US $ 4 Billion of F-16s and a few billion on other Chinese Aircrafts, it does make news and a lot of excitement. After having sanctions for a long time on high tech military hardware for the armed forces in Pakistan, such news is like a fresh air.

Secondly, ofcourse its the government to decide as to where to go. But its an attempt to objectify the thought on different types of A/c available. This is because, as per my info, people who matters in policy decisions in Pakistan on such matters, take heed on the advice on such forums. That is to say that they are members of the forums, like this one. Due to this approach, they got a lot of useful data, and info as to what people think in other parts of the world.

Thirdly, to say in light humour, Pakistan-specific issues needs Pakistan-specific approach. So, though it seems that half of the space is wasted, but in actual, its the hype and excitement which gives immense pleasure, and peace of mind. Sounds strange!! But then this a reality.

Good Day.

 

[Elite-Pilot]

Webmaster,MODS,anyone!! I need help trying to dig this information out. The pictures of J-10 and Musharraf also the JF-17. And some news articles would also come in handy, cause no matter what i do or where i go, i cant find anyhing!

 

[SABRE]

Musharaf in J-10

Thanks to Pathfinder-X

 

[mysterious]

Pakistan and US to sign investment treaty

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and the United States would sign a Bilateral Investment Treaty (BIT) during President George W Bush’s visit. The treaty will be signed to encourage direct foreign investment in Pakistan.

In addition, the two countries would jointly announce a deal regarding the purchase of F-16 aircraft, which the government had postponed to carry out relief efforts in earthquake-hit areas. Official sources said the draft of the treaty had been finalised during the talks held between officials of both countries in Islamabad in the third week of January.

The BIT is being described as vital for attracting private investment, boosting economic growth and creating new jobs in the country. Earlier, the US president had said that the treaty would establish clear and transparent rules to provide greater certainty and encourage foreign direct investment. “By fostering economic development and opportunity, we will reduce the appeal of radical Islam,” Bush said.

Pakistani officials said the BIT would extend basic protection to investors and their investments and provide a mechanism to settle investment disputes. They said that some of the objections raised by US officials in the talks regarding the inclusion of intellectual property rights in the treaty had been removed.

Earlier, Pakistani officials had negotiated with the representatives of Lockheed Martin, the manufacturers of the F-16, the exact specifications of the F-16s to be built for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The company had offered to build Block 52 C and D aircraft for Pakistan, which is the latest version of the F-16.

Currently, the PAF has F-16 A and B Block 15s, which are the oldest versions of the fighter jet. Umer Farooq

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\02\25\story_25-2-2006_pg7_9

So I guess, we just have to wait and let them make it clear how many they're actually going for and when do the deliveries start coming in.

 

[aaaditya]

Pakistan and US to sign investment treaty

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and the United States would sign a Bilateral Investment Treaty (BIT) during President George W Bush’s visit. The treaty will be signed to encourage direct foreign investment in Pakistan.

In addition, the two countries would jointly announce a deal regarding the purchase of F-16 aircraft, which the government had postponed to carry out relief efforts in earthquake-hit areas. Official sources said the draft of the treaty had been finalised during the talks held between officials of both countries in Islamabad in the third week of January.

The BIT is being described as vital for attracting private investment, boosting economic growth and creating new jobs in the country. Earlier, the US president had said that the treaty would establish clear and transparent rules to provide greater certainty and encourage foreign direct investment. “By fostering economic development and opportunity, we will reduce the appeal of radical Islam,” Bush said.

Pakistani officials said the BIT would extend basic protection to investors and their investments and provide a mechanism to settle investment disputes. They said that some of the objections raised by US officials in the talks regarding the inclusion of intellectual property rights in the treaty had been removed.

Earlier, Pakistani officials had negotiated with the representatives of Lockheed Martin, the manufacturers of the F-16, the exact specifications of the F-16s to be built for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). The company had offered to build Block 52 C and D aircraft for Pakistan, which is the latest version of the F-16.

Currently, the PAF has F-16 A and B Block 15s, which are the oldest versions of the fighter jet. Umer Farooq

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\02\25\story_25-2-2006_pg7_9

So I guess, we just have to wait and let them make it clear how many they're actually going for and when do the deliveries start coming in.

by the way the f16b60 is the latest version of the f16,do you know if pakistan has been offered an aesa for their f16's ,tot and the latest version of the anraam missile and what would be the actual price of the product?

also on an unrelated matter ,there was a news article posted today on a forum that bangladesh will be acquiring 16 fighter planes from china(they did not mention what type),do you think the jf17 has a chance for this(is the product mature enough?)

 

[Scorpius]

well maybe yeah.JF-17s or F-7s again.

 

[mysterious]

This is NOT Bangladeshi acquisition thread so I will not venture there.

Secondly, the article I posted mentions Block 52s as the latest because those are the standardized latest F-16s (same ones in use by the USAF). UAE's Block 60 is a customized version and I'm sure that is why it was not taken in to account in the article.