PAF-PILOT#15
New Member
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
hey guys does anyone know about which AWACS the PAF is going to aquire and y?
hey guys does anyone know about which AWACS the PAF is going to aquire and y?
Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions
- Thread starter P.A.F
- Start date
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
Stop asking silly questions when you have read about it zillion times. This issue has been discussed and there are only two choices, just go through the thread and read up!PAF-PILOT#15 said:hey guys does anyone know about which AWACS the PAF is going to aquire and y?
PAF-PILOT#15
New Member
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
NEW NEWS!PAF gets a shot in the arm, and new wings:
Sep 10, 2005
Pakistan's key role in the war on terror and its elevation by the US to the status of Major Non-NATO Ally (MNNA) has given its air force much-needed access to American military hardware.
The economic and arms embargo on the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), imposed in October 1990 because of Pakistan's clandestine nuclear programme, hit it very badly because of the non-availability of spares for its fleet of US-made F-16 combat aircraft.
The sanctions also prevented delivery of at least 28 F-16s, which were ready to be supplied to Pakistan, bringing the entire F-16 programme almost to a halt.
It also forced the PAF to look for alternatives such as the Swedish Grippin, the French Mirage-2000-5 and Russian-origin SUKHOI-27 and 30.
But after Pakistan became a key player in the war on terrorism in Afghanistan almost four years ago, it ensured itself economic dividends.
Once convinced of President Pervez Musharraf's endeavours aimed at undercutting terror networks operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan, US President George W. Bush committed a $3 billion economic and military aid package for Pakistan in 2003 and followed it up with the lifting of all nuclear and military sanctions in early 2004.
The MNNA status in 2004 followed soon after making the country eligible for priority delivery of defence material.
"The F-16s always remained the best option for the PAF because we knew France, Russia and Sweden could not sell their aircraft to us for international political considerations," former Pakistani diplomat Akram Zaki said.
But the other factor obstructing the acquisition was the high price of the French Mirage-2000-5.
Pakistan's 1998 nuclear tests had triggered international sanctions that put a heavy financial burden on the Muslim country.
"American sanctions and the inability of countries such as France, Sweden and Russia to sell aircraft to Pakistan came as a precursor to strengthen indigenous capability of rebuilding existing aircraft in our fleet," said a senior air force official, requesting to remain anonymous.
At the moment, the PAF fleet numbers over 400 new and old aircraft of US, Chinese and French origin, which the air force has been able to maintain after receiving Chinese assistance to locally overhaul and rebuild these jets.
Pakistani air force engineers began rebuilding and overhauling its aircraft at the country's premier Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in the early 1980s.
"The PAC serves as the backbone of the country's aerial defence for its invaluable role in giving new lease of life to the whole range of aircraft and radars in the PAFs inventory," said Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, the Pakistani air chief, in a recent Pakistan TV programme.
The PAC is now rebuilding or refurbishing all its combat aircraft, including Chinese-origin A-5s, F-7s and F-7PGs, French-made Mirages as well as F-100 engines of the F-16s. It is also developing facilities to overhaul JF-17 (Thunder) aircraft, set for induction into the air force in December 2006.
As for the new additions to the fleet planned for next two years, some 119 planes including 77 F-16s and six C-130 transport planes from the United States, eight Chinese-made JF-17s and 28 Karakoram-8 trainer jets will become part of the PAF fleet.
Pakistani and Chinese experts have jointly produced both JF-17 and Karakoram-8 planes. Eight JF-17s are to join the PAF fleet by March 2007 followed by commencement of serial production of the planes in Pakistan. Delivery of the K-8 planes is set to commence from the early next year.
The resumption of American spare parts supplies will also enable the PAF to itself upgrade F-16s from next year, Air Vice Marshal Shehzad Hassan, a senior operations department official, told DPA.
Analysts believe the PAF's logistical troubles are now almost over.
"The air force is now well set to survive any difficult situation such as sanctions in future after becoming capable of rebuilding and upgrading its aircraft," a senior defence analyst, retired General Jamshed Ayaz said.
He said with the induction of the JF-17 jets, there will be no shortage of combat aircraft for the air force for the next five years.
"But what we need right now is to achieve a capability of manufacturing spares for F-16s and Mirages in Pakistan, which will prevent grounding of these assets in the future," Ayaz said.
NEW NEWS!PAF gets a shot in the arm, and new wings:
Sep 10, 2005
Pakistan's key role in the war on terror and its elevation by the US to the status of Major Non-NATO Ally (MNNA) has given its air force much-needed access to American military hardware.
The economic and arms embargo on the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), imposed in October 1990 because of Pakistan's clandestine nuclear programme, hit it very badly because of the non-availability of spares for its fleet of US-made F-16 combat aircraft.
The sanctions also prevented delivery of at least 28 F-16s, which were ready to be supplied to Pakistan, bringing the entire F-16 programme almost to a halt.
It also forced the PAF to look for alternatives such as the Swedish Grippin, the French Mirage-2000-5 and Russian-origin SUKHOI-27 and 30.
But after Pakistan became a key player in the war on terrorism in Afghanistan almost four years ago, it ensured itself economic dividends.
Once convinced of President Pervez Musharraf's endeavours aimed at undercutting terror networks operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan, US President George W. Bush committed a $3 billion economic and military aid package for Pakistan in 2003 and followed it up with the lifting of all nuclear and military sanctions in early 2004.
The MNNA status in 2004 followed soon after making the country eligible for priority delivery of defence material.
"The F-16s always remained the best option for the PAF because we knew France, Russia and Sweden could not sell their aircraft to us for international political considerations," former Pakistani diplomat Akram Zaki said.
But the other factor obstructing the acquisition was the high price of the French Mirage-2000-5.
Pakistan's 1998 nuclear tests had triggered international sanctions that put a heavy financial burden on the Muslim country.
"American sanctions and the inability of countries such as France, Sweden and Russia to sell aircraft to Pakistan came as a precursor to strengthen indigenous capability of rebuilding existing aircraft in our fleet," said a senior air force official, requesting to remain anonymous.
At the moment, the PAF fleet numbers over 400 new and old aircraft of US, Chinese and French origin, which the air force has been able to maintain after receiving Chinese assistance to locally overhaul and rebuild these jets.
Pakistani air force engineers began rebuilding and overhauling its aircraft at the country's premier Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in the early 1980s.
"The PAC serves as the backbone of the country's aerial defence for its invaluable role in giving new lease of life to the whole range of aircraft and radars in the PAFs inventory," said Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, the Pakistani air chief, in a recent Pakistan TV programme.
The PAC is now rebuilding or refurbishing all its combat aircraft, including Chinese-origin A-5s, F-7s and F-7PGs, French-made Mirages as well as F-100 engines of the F-16s. It is also developing facilities to overhaul JF-17 (Thunder) aircraft, set for induction into the air force in December 2006.
As for the new additions to the fleet planned for next two years, some 119 planes including 77 F-16s and six C-130 transport planes from the United States, eight Chinese-made JF-17s and 28 Karakoram-8 trainer jets will become part of the PAF fleet.
Pakistani and Chinese experts have jointly produced both JF-17 and Karakoram-8 planes. Eight JF-17s are to join the PAF fleet by March 2007 followed by commencement of serial production of the planes in Pakistan. Delivery of the K-8 planes is set to commence from the early next year.
The resumption of American spare parts supplies will also enable the PAF to itself upgrade F-16s from next year, Air Vice Marshal Shehzad Hassan, a senior operations department official, told DPA.
Analysts believe the PAF's logistical troubles are now almost over.
"The air force is now well set to survive any difficult situation such as sanctions in future after becoming capable of rebuilding and upgrading its aircraft," a senior defence analyst, retired General Jamshed Ayaz said.
He said with the induction of the JF-17 jets, there will be no shortage of combat aircraft for the air force for the next five years.
"But what we need right now is to achieve a capability of manufacturing spares for F-16s and Mirages in Pakistan, which will prevent grounding of these assets in the future," Ayaz said.
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
Thanks for posting, which part of this article qualifies as "new" news? Thanks.PAF-PILOT#15 said:NEW NEWS!PAF gets a shot in the arm, and new wings:
Sep 10, 2005
Pakistan's key role in the war on terror and its elevation by the US to the status of Major Non-NATO Ally (MNNA) has given its air force much-needed access to American military hardware.
The economic and arms embargo on the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), imposed in October 1990 because of Pakistan's clandestine nuclear programme, hit it very badly because of the non-availability of spares for its fleet of US-made F-16 combat aircraft.
The sanctions also prevented delivery of at least 28 F-16s, which were ready to be supplied to Pakistan, bringing the entire F-16 programme almost to a halt.
It also forced the PAF to look for alternatives such as the Swedish Grippin, the French Mirage-2000-5 and Russian-origin SUKHOI-27 and 30.
But after Pakistan became a key player in the war on terrorism in Afghanistan almost four years ago, it ensured itself economic dividends.
Once convinced of President Pervez Musharraf's endeavours aimed at undercutting terror networks operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan, US President George W. Bush committed a $3 billion economic and military aid package for Pakistan in 2003 and followed it up with the lifting of all nuclear and military sanctions in early 2004.
The MNNA status in 2004 followed soon after making the country eligible for priority delivery of defence material.
"The F-16s always remained the best option for the PAF because we knew France, Russia and Sweden could not sell their aircraft to us for international political considerations," former Pakistani diplomat Akram Zaki said.
But the other factor obstructing the acquisition was the high price of the French Mirage-2000-5.
Pakistan's 1998 nuclear tests had triggered international sanctions that put a heavy financial burden on the Muslim country.
"American sanctions and the inability of countries such as France, Sweden and Russia to sell aircraft to Pakistan came as a precursor to strengthen indigenous capability of rebuilding existing aircraft in our fleet," said a senior air force official, requesting to remain anonymous.
At the moment, the PAF fleet numbers over 400 new and old aircraft of US, Chinese and French origin, which the air force has been able to maintain after receiving Chinese assistance to locally overhaul and rebuild these jets.
Pakistani air force engineers began rebuilding and overhauling its aircraft at the country's premier Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in the early 1980s.
"The PAC serves as the backbone of the country's aerial defence for its invaluable role in giving new lease of life to the whole range of aircraft and radars in the PAFs inventory," said Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Saadat, the Pakistani air chief, in a recent Pakistan TV programme.
The PAC is now rebuilding or refurbishing all its combat aircraft, including Chinese-origin A-5s, F-7s and F-7PGs, French-made Mirages as well as F-100 engines of the F-16s. It is also developing facilities to overhaul JF-17 (Thunder) aircraft, set for induction into the air force in December 2006.
As for the new additions to the fleet planned for next two years, some 119 planes including 77 F-16s and six C-130 transport planes from the United States, eight Chinese-made JF-17s and 28 Karakoram-8 trainer jets will become part of the PAF fleet.
Pakistani and Chinese experts have jointly produced both JF-17 and Karakoram-8 planes. Eight JF-17s are to join the PAF fleet by March 2007 followed by commencement of serial production of the planes in Pakistan. Delivery of the K-8 planes is set to commence from the early next year.
The resumption of American spare parts supplies will also enable the PAF to itself upgrade F-16s from next year, Air Vice Marshal Shehzad Hassan, a senior operations department official, told DPA.
Analysts believe the PAF's logistical troubles are now almost over.
"The air force is now well set to survive any difficult situation such as sanctions in future after becoming capable of rebuilding and upgrading its aircraft," a senior defence analyst, retired General Jamshed Ayaz said.
He said with the induction of the JF-17 jets, there will be no shortage of combat aircraft for the air force for the next five years.
"But what we need right now is to achieve a capability of manufacturing spares for F-16s and Mirages in Pakistan, which will prevent grounding of these assets in the future," Ayaz said.
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
They'll stay here even after all 32 F-16 are MLUed. The 7 which broke off were canabalized & LH-M has yet to decide the fate of what ever is left of them.
Dont know about the offer of ToT....But I herd LH-M is going to open its offices in Pakistan. Dont have much information on this.lakhani said:
He said PAF is looking into high-tech European fighters besides inducting the F-16. Any one would be selected after practical evaluation & will join the force along with F-16.
Lols....Why would u wana evaluate an AirCraft yoy already have been flying for 15 years. Its to fill the gap for F-16s leaving for MLU. 2 F-16s will be sent for MLU on turn bases while these two will fill the gap left by evey to F-16 batch to leave the country.
They'll stay here even after all 32 F-16 are MLUed. The 7 which broke off were canabalized & LH-M has yet to decide the fate of what ever is left of them.
- Thread Starter Thread Starter
- #466
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
I'm sure ACM has said befor ethat PAC is fully capabile of MLUing the F-16's in pakistan. So why send them over? And i'm sure i've heard that lockhead Martin are going to send engineers over for the MLUing of the remaining 32 F-16s.
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
hmmmmmmmm. I meant that may be PAF wants to have a taste of those U.S 2nd hand upgraded planes and then wanted to decide, how much new and old f-16 they should induct. IF they gets a sort of satisfaction from 2nd hands then why will they induct new ones in heavy numbers.SABRE said:
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
Actually, there are apparently 4-5 recoverable F-16s, ones that had to be cannabalized for spare-parts, they can be recovered and probably will. So add those 4-5, in addition to the 2, the A/B fleet would be at around 38-39.
Thus far, the PAF isn't looking for a 3rd fighter (well atleast for some time), but if the F-16 deal goes wrong, then the PAF will execute its secondary option.
Actually, there are apparently 4-5 recoverable F-16s, ones that had to be cannabalized for spare-parts, they can be recovered and probably will. So add those 4-5, in addition to the 2, the A/B fleet would be at around 38-39.
Thus far, the PAF isn't looking for a 3rd fighter (well atleast for some time), but if the F-16 deal goes wrong, then the PAF will execute its secondary option.
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
It would appear fromn the thread that Pakistan wishes to manufacture parts for the Mirage (3 and 5) and therefore the belief would be to continue to see the Mirage in long time service. Pakistan still has many unused Mirage 3 and 5 engines and some low time airframes (Lebanese). The induction of the JF17 to replace the Mirage may not be seen as a priority as it will only be an 'anadequate' replacement for the Mirage. Therfore the initial JF17's will probably replace the F-7's and A5's.
It would appear fromn the thread that Pakistan wishes to manufacture parts for the Mirage (3 and 5) and therefore the belief would be to continue to see the Mirage in long time service. Pakistan still has many unused Mirage 3 and 5 engines and some low time airframes (Lebanese). The induction of the JF17 to replace the Mirage may not be seen as a priority as it will only be an 'anadequate' replacement for the Mirage. Therfore the initial JF17's will probably replace the F-7's and A5's.
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
the f16 in itself may no longer be state of the art,but the higher variants of the f16 like the f16 block52 and 60 are definitely state of the art ,they are as good as ef2000 and the rafale,it would be difficult to beat india's qantitative edge ,but the f16(advanced versions) in sufficient numbers and if used properly(with proper training and awacs assets) can more or less neutralise india's qualitative edge.f-16's ;latest variants have most of the features of the ef2000 and the rafale,or atleast the features can be incorporated into them during the upgrades,but the advantages which the f16 has over the ef2000 and the rafale is that it is combat proven and is cheaper(2f-16's can be purchased for the cost of 1 ef2000):coffeeHussain said:
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
by the way guys has anyone got anymore information on this.
2005/09/11PAF jet crashes, pilots killed
03:50:21 È.Ù
Islamabad, Sept 11 - A Pakistan air force fighter jet crashed Sunday during a training mission in the central province of Punjab, killing its pilot, a military spokesman said.
"It was a Mirage aircraft," wing commander Tariq Mahmood told reporters. "The crash was fatal."
The jet came down in the town of Payee Khel, about 200 kilometers (125 miles) southwest of the capital Islamabad, he said, adding that the cause of the crash was being investigated.
This was the second French-built Mirage aircraft to have crashed over the past fortnight.
On August 25, a pilot successfully ejected over southern Sindh province.
The Pakistan air force launched its four-week "high mark-2005" exercise on September 4.
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=197724
what variant was it mirage3,mirage3 rose upgraded or mirage5? :coffee
by the way guys has anyone got anymore information on this.
2005/09/11PAF jet crashes, pilots killed
03:50:21 È.Ù
Islamabad, Sept 11 - A Pakistan air force fighter jet crashed Sunday during a training mission in the central province of Punjab, killing its pilot, a military spokesman said.
"It was a Mirage aircraft," wing commander Tariq Mahmood told reporters. "The crash was fatal."
The jet came down in the town of Payee Khel, about 200 kilometers (125 miles) southwest of the capital Islamabad, he said, adding that the cause of the crash was being investigated.
This was the second French-built Mirage aircraft to have crashed over the past fortnight.
On August 25, a pilot successfully ejected over southern Sindh province.
The Pakistan air force launched its four-week "high mark-2005" exercise on September 4.
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=197724
what variant was it mirage3,mirage3 rose upgraded or mirage5? :coffee
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
Yes, I agree to a point. The Rafale and Eurofighters advantages are the twin engines, stealth charactersitics and high quality 'standard' avionics. The Rafale has been thoroughly tested by now and has shown excellent handling charactersitics even with full payload (inc exteranl fuel tanks). There is also no guarantee that US will supply adavnced F16's. Conformal fuel tanks could be an advantage for F16's. I think the UAE and Israeli F16's carry them. I think that could give Pakistan the endurance it requires to be able strike anywhere in India.
aaaditya said:
Yes, I agree to a point. The Rafale and Eurofighters advantages are the twin engines, stealth charactersitics and high quality 'standard' avionics. The Rafale has been thoroughly tested by now and has shown excellent handling charactersitics even with full payload (inc exteranl fuel tanks). There is also no guarantee that US will supply adavnced F16's. Conformal fuel tanks could be an advantage for F16's. I think the UAE and Israeli F16's carry them. I think that could give Pakistan the endurance it requires to be able strike anywhere in India.
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
Even on the technical bases F-16s have become superior. APG/AESA-80 Radars are one of the best radars in the world & are installed on F-16s. Even JAS-39 Gripen has yet to surpass F-16s technology superiority in some sections.
The requirement of the airforces arround the world in simple term has become long range fighter with higher pay load e.g: F-15, F-18, Su-30 etc or a super high tech 5th Gen fighter like F-22, EF-2000 which could scare the hell out of enemy aircrafts. F-16 cant go long range & has low pay load but thats being sorted out with external fuel tanks & versions like Block 60E/F which would give shivers to Rafale pilots aswell. Its the 4.5+ version of F-16s & we may even see more blocks.
It is the only AC USAF, NASA, Govt & LH-M spent large amount on for various tests e.g: VISTA (TVC F-16...tests were successful but US decided not to pursue it into fightes unlike Russians who have come up with MiG-35)
Wing Commander Rizwan (pilot) was trying to evade aircraft from crashing into populus area & refused to eject. AirCraft crashed a bit far away from population but WC Rizwan lost his life (saving others).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
About the ToT now; I have been told that Defence Ministry has asked LH-M & US to transfer the technology of components & of some non sensitive but importent avionics. VP of LH-M said that he'll discuss it with the board members & President of LH-M & with the chair-person of the F-16 program & Pakistan on the other hand should ask the US President for this. VP also said that he understands the importance of the ToT Pak is asking cause Pak's main stay Fighter is F-16 & they are also going to be a large purchaser after Israel (75 new & unknown numbers of 2nd F-16s).
I was also informed that he told Pakistan to contact Northrop Grumman for Radars upgrading facility aswell.
VP has acknowledged that LH-M & PAC Kamra/Pakistan are into long terms now. (after all 77 F-16s + 32 in current fleet & 5 broken pieces are no joke )
The MLU is to be done it two steps (may be even more)...In the 1st step LockHeed-Martin will upgrade components & some avionics in Pakistan at Kamra Minhas F-16 over hauling facility (they will also upgrade the over hauling facility) 2nd step includes AirFrame upgrade which would be done in USA at the LH-M's plants.P.A.F said:
They already have taste of UAE F-16s which are more superior than the 2 F-16s we are getting next month. So no need for evaluation of avionics etc.lakhani said:hmmmmmmmm. I meant that may be PAF wants to have a taste of those U.S 2nd hand upgraded planes and then wanted to decide, how much new and old f-16 they should induct. IF they gets a sort of satisfaction from 2nd hands then why will they induct new ones in heavy numbers.
AVM said PAF was looking for high tech fighter jet from Europe which are now available & any one would be inducted (along with F-16s) after a practical evaluation on the AirCraft. (PAF has been in discussions for JAS-39 Gripens & Rafale..On paper PAF has already evaluated them)..Hence PAF is looking for a 3rd fighter but the time of induction is not told.BilalK said:
Wrong. They are still a great fighters. Previous Blocks get into modern form by MLU & Block 50/52+ & 60 have proved them selves as completely new in the league. It is the most praised fighter in the world even today & there is not fighter to match its Dog Fight capability.Hussain said:
Even on the technical bases F-16s have become superior. APG/AESA-80 Radars are one of the best radars in the world & are installed on F-16s. Even JAS-39 Gripen has yet to surpass F-16s technology superiority in some sections.
The requirement of the airforces arround the world in simple term has become long range fighter with higher pay load e.g: F-15, F-18, Su-30 etc or a super high tech 5th Gen fighter like F-22, EF-2000 which could scare the hell out of enemy aircrafts. F-16 cant go long range & has low pay load but thats being sorted out with external fuel tanks & versions like Block 60E/F which would give shivers to Rafale pilots aswell. Its the 4.5+ version of F-16s & we may even see more blocks.
It is the only AC USAF, NASA, Govt & LH-M spent large amount on for various tests e.g: VISTA (TVC F-16...tests were successful but US decided not to pursue it into fightes unlike Russians who have come up with MiG-35)
Mirages are going to be retired by JF-17...the reason for producing components at home is becuase Kamra cant produce 100+ JF-17 over night hence Mirage replacement would be slow & in the mean time Mirages will have to perform their job effectively. Currently they are only ones which can fire BVR Missiles like MICA, SD-10, H-2, H-4, T-Darter verient of NESCOM hence it is importent to produce their components at home (& Kamra does produce some of them) so they could keep the skies clean.Hussain said:
Simple logic it was Mirage-3. If it was mirage-5 it would be in Karachi & Balochistan. It crashed in Mianwali Punjab. It was not ROSE upgrade, just a simple upgrading by Kamra.aaaditya said:
Wing Commander Rizwan (pilot) was trying to evade aircraft from crashing into populus area & refused to eject. AirCraft crashed a bit far away from population but WC Rizwan lost his life (saving others).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
About the ToT now; I have been told that Defence Ministry has asked LH-M & US to transfer the technology of components & of some non sensitive but importent avionics. VP of LH-M said that he'll discuss it with the board members & President of LH-M & with the chair-person of the F-16 program & Pakistan on the other hand should ask the US President for this. VP also said that he understands the importance of the ToT Pak is asking cause Pak's main stay Fighter is F-16 & they are also going to be a large purchaser after Israel (75 new & unknown numbers of 2nd F-16s).
I was also informed that he told Pakistan to contact Northrop Grumman for Radars upgrading facility aswell.
VP has acknowledged that LH-M & PAC Kamra/Pakistan are into long terms now. (after all 77 F-16s + 32 in current fleet & 5 broken pieces are no joke
)Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
So tell us SABRE do u think that US will allow us ToT of F-16. Here i want to mention another thing i.e the source codes because i recall some one saying that LHM wan't give us the source codes. What do u sayAbout the ToT now; I have been told that Defence Ministry has asked LH-M & US to transfer the technology of components & of some non sensitive but importent avionics. VP of LH-M said that he'll discuss it with the board members & President of LH-M & with the chair-person of the F-16 program & Pakistan on the other hand should ask the US President for this. VP also said that he understands the importance of the ToT Pak is asking cause Pak's main stay Fighter is F-16 & they are also going to be a large purchaser after Israel (75 new & unknown numbers of 2nd F-16s).
I was also informed that he told Pakistan to contact Northrop Grumman for Radars upgrading facility aswell.
VP has acknowledged that LH-M & PAC Kamra/Pakistan are into long terms now. (after all 77 F-16s + 32 in current fleet & 5 broken pieces are no joke)
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
US doesnt realy allow whole ToT. When ever they offer ToT they usualy mean components, importent equipements & small avionics (mostly avionics are to be assembled & not produced in the 2nd country....I think only Belgium has proper ToT of some avionics but thats cause its NATO HQ).
Lols....I dont think any thing. LH-M & US doesnt pass arround the source codes. If there is to be ToT it would be very limited like the ToT Turkey has only to prepare Components & some small avionics while the source codes & airframes arrive from US. There is big LH-M team there to see the AC being built.pingpong said:
US doesnt realy allow whole ToT. When ever they offer ToT they usualy mean components, importent equipements & small avionics (mostly avionics are to be assembled & not produced in the 2nd country....I think only Belgium has proper ToT of some avionics but thats cause its NATO HQ).
PAF-PILOT#15
New Member
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
SABRE,I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PAF,PN,MISSILES,and ARMY!
1) Can you please tell me the latest information on what AWACS,ERIEYE/AEW etc. Pakistan is to aquire?
2) And can you gimme the low down on what S-A-M systems and radar systems pakistan is to aquire?including info on the FT-2000
3) Also can you tell me info on the H-4 and the SD-10?(including origin)
4) And finally is the PAF likely to aquire the J-10 or is it going to fall for the RAFALE or GRIPPEN?
SORRY FOR SO MANY QUESTIONS!
SABRE,I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PAF,PN,MISSILES,and ARMY!
1) Can you please tell me the latest information on what AWACS,ERIEYE/AEW etc. Pakistan is to aquire?
2) And can you gimme the low down on what S-A-M systems and radar systems pakistan is to aquire?including info on the FT-2000
3) Also can you tell me info on the H-4 and the SD-10?(including origin)
4) And finally is the PAF likely to aquire the J-10 or is it going to fall for the RAFALE or GRIPPEN?
SORRY FOR SO MANY QUESTIONS!
Re: Pakistan Airforce News and Discussions
2) The EuroF missed out on Singapore due to the fact that the Strike model is still 4-6 years distant - Musharaff has been gearing his forces to strike.
3) Rafale once again is an orphan. Read the Janes assessment of why its failing.
- current Mirage derivatives are half the price and 3/4's the capability
- Rafale is rated only with SPECTRA - which like PAK-FA is mostly enthusiastic talk with little evidence of existence. On top of which, won't be available for export to anyone
- It's still an orphan - nobody sees a reason to buy it when other more cost effective capability is apparently in service. No country will buy an orphan. Now if a sophisticated "gold alpha" user like Singapore rejects it - then deep in the bowels of their assessment results there must be a reason (outside of the fact that the F-15 was a better strike package)
Why would any country buy an aircraft who's real force enhancements are not for sale? and who's base performance is only rated 20% above an M2K?
1) Given the fact that the Singaporean F-16's are early gen models, they're regarded as some of the finest flying due to local enhancement packages. In real terms their weasels are only rivalled by the Israelis and Americans.Hussain said:
2) The EuroF missed out on Singapore due to the fact that the Strike model is still 4-6 years distant - Musharaff has been gearing his forces to strike.
3) Rafale once again is an orphan. Read the Janes assessment of why its failing.
- current Mirage derivatives are half the price and 3/4's the capability
- Rafale is rated only with SPECTRA - which like PAK-FA is mostly enthusiastic talk with little evidence of existence. On top of which, won't be available for export to anyone
- It's still an orphan - nobody sees a reason to buy it when other more cost effective capability is apparently in service. No country will buy an orphan. Now if a sophisticated "gold alpha" user like Singapore rejects it - then deep in the bowels of their assessment results there must be a reason (outside of the fact that the F-15 was a better strike package)
Why would any country buy an aircraft who's real force enhancements are not for sale? and who's base performance is only rated 20% above an M2K?
Last edited: