Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions

BilalK

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Acutally, there have been several reports in the past of the PAF operating three new weapons, two stand off air to surface munitions, and one air-to-air BVR system. Although not officially confirmed, there are several theories or guesses to back them up. The three reported munitions are the 60km Raptor-I (H-2) and 120km Raptor-II (H-4) Air-to-Surface glide bombs, while the third is the T-Darter BVRAAM.

Now as to how one can come up with such theories, well lets begin with the Raptors. The Raptor-I and Raptor-II are long-range glide bombs, and can be used from the Mirage ROSE-II and ROSE-III. These should be one of the new weapons the PAF is going to be testing in High-Mark-2005, we don't have Mavericks (officially) or any new stand off munition to use in live firing other than the Raptor series (as reported). The T-Darter, well reports have it that the upgraded Mirage III and ROSE-I can use them, it isn't clear what, but the PAF would either be testing T-Darter or MICA on these aircraft as the main BVR system (and perhaps simulated AIM-120s on F-16s??), but givne the cost of MICA, its likely T-Darter is being used.
 

umair

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Correction Bilal. The PAF does have AGM-65Bs in it's inventory and it's officially acknowledged in our ORBATS.
 

kashifshahzad

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Helicopter lands on the top of Mount Everest

On May 14th, 2005 at 7h08 (local time), a serial Ecureuil/AStar AS 350 B3 piloted by the EUROCOPTER X-test pilot Didier Delsalle, landed at 8,850 meters (29,035ft) on the top of the Mount Everest (Kingdom of Nepal).

This tremendous achievement breaks the World Record for the highest altitude landing and take-off ever, which sets an ultimate milestone in the History of Aviation.

Fabrice Brégier, President and CEO of the EUROCOPTER Group, world leading helicopter manufacturer, immediately congratulated the pilot and his team for this
extraordinary feat.

After taking off from its base camp Lukla on May 14th, 2005 at 2,866 meters (9,403ft) Didier Delsalle onboard his Ecureuil AS350B3 reached the top of Mount Everest.

As required by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI - International Aeronautical Federation), the aircraft remained landed on ground more than 2 minutes on the top of the world before flying back to Lukla.

This feat was renewed the day after.

Stepping out of his helicopter, Didier Delsalle commented: "To reach this mythical summit definitively seemed to be a dream; despite the obvious difficulties of the target to be reached, the aircraft demonstrated its capability to cope with the situation . . ., sublimated by the magic of the place”.

Achieved with a serial helicopter, this absolute World Record once more contributes to underline the unique qualities of the Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3 as a multipurpose, reliable, quick and comfortable helicopter which emerges as the most performing aircraft in the world in the most extreme conditions.

During the trial period, Didier Delsalle and his Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3 flew some rescue missions on behalf of the Nepalese authorities demonstrating the operational capabilities of the aircraft used to set the altitude landing and take-off World Record.

This feat has been achieved further to various flight tests begun one year ago with the Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3, among which:

> Experimental flight up to 8,992 meters (29,500 ft) in April 2004 in Istres (France),
> “Time to climb” records to the heights of 3,000, 6,000 and 9,000 meters performed on April 14th, 2005 in respectively 2 minutes 21 seconds, 5 minutes 6 seconds
and 9 minutes 26 seconds. These records smash the previous ones held by an Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B1 with respectively 2 minutes 59 seconds,
6 minutes 55 seconds and 13 minutes 52 seconds,
> Experimental flight up to 10.211 meters (33.500 ft) on April 14, 2005,
>Landing at the South Pass of Mount Everest at 7,925 meters (26,000 ft) on May 12th, 2005, establishing a new altitude landing and take-off record, previously held by
a Cheetah helicopter - variant of the Lama - at 7,670 meters (25,150 ft).

With this landing on the top of the world, EUROCOPTER demonstrates that its technological innovations provide its products a length - height - ahead, set at the disposal of its worldwide customers.

To date, 3,670 Ecureuil/AStar have been sold worldwide and logged 15 million flight hours.

Since its introduction on the market, the Ecureuil/AStar/Twinstar family has been benefiting of successive improvements among which its most powerful version is the Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3. This aircraft is serial equipped with modern systems such as dual channel FADEC, Vehicule and Engine Monitoring Display, integrated GPS, etc….

424 Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3 are currently in operation worldwide, mainly used for missions requiring high performances, such as aerial work (cargo sling capacity: 1,400kg) in very high and hot conditions.

EUROCOPTER is thankful to the Nepalese government and all its departments for their help and friendly support throughout this mission.

These world records are currently submitted to the official approval of the FAI.

Eurocopter is a wholly owned subsidiary of EADS. The worldwide leader in aerospace, defense, and the associated services, EADS generated a turnover of 31.8 billion euros in 2004, and employed approximately 110,000 people throughout the world. The EADS Group includes the aircraft maker Airbus, the world’s leading helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter, and the world’s second largest missile company, the joint venture MDBA. EADS is also the biggest partner in the Eurofighter consortium and the lead contractor for the Ariane launcher. The Group is also developing the A400M military transport aircraft, and is the major industrial partner for Galileo, the European satellite-based navigation system.


SABRE & P.A.F can you confirm.I have heard that Pakistan is going to get this helicopter in the near future or this is an old news and i am late
 

aaaditya

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kashifshahzad said:
Helicopter lands on the top of Mount Everest

On May 14th, 2005 at 7h08 (local time), a serial Ecureuil/AStar AS 350 B3 piloted by the EUROCOPTER X-test pilot Didier Delsalle, landed at 8,850 meters (29,035ft) on the top of the Mount Everest (Kingdom of Nepal).

This tremendous achievement breaks the World Record for the highest altitude landing and take-off ever, which sets an ultimate milestone in the History of Aviation.

Fabrice Brégier, President and CEO of the EUROCOPTER Group, world leading helicopter manufacturer, immediately congratulated the pilot and his team for this
extraordinary feat.

After taking off from its base camp Lukla on May 14th, 2005 at 2,866 meters (9,403ft) Didier Delsalle onboard his Ecureuil AS350B3 reached the top of Mount Everest.

As required by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI - International Aeronautical Federation), the aircraft remained landed on ground more than 2 minutes on the top of the world before flying back to Lukla.

This feat was renewed the day after.

Stepping out of his helicopter, Didier Delsalle commented: "To reach this mythical summit definitively seemed to be a dream; despite the obvious difficulties of the target to be reached, the aircraft demonstrated its capability to cope with the situation . . ., sublimated by the magic of the placeâ€.

Achieved with a serial helicopter, this absolute World Record once more contributes to underline the unique qualities of the Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3 as a multipurpose, reliable, quick and comfortable helicopter which emerges as the most performing aircraft in the world in the most extreme conditions.

During the trial period, Didier Delsalle and his Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3 flew some rescue missions on behalf of the Nepalese authorities demonstrating the operational capabilities of the aircraft used to set the altitude landing and take-off World Record.

This feat has been achieved further to various flight tests begun one year ago with the Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3, among which:

> Experimental flight up to 8,992 meters (29,500 ft) in April 2004 in Istres (France),
> “Time to climb†records to the heights of 3,000, 6,000 and 9,000 meters performed on April 14th, 2005 in respectively 2 minutes 21 seconds, 5 minutes 6 seconds
and 9 minutes 26 seconds. These records smash the previous ones held by an Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B1 with respectively 2 minutes 59 seconds,
6 minutes 55 seconds and 13 minutes 52 seconds,
> Experimental flight up to 10.211 meters (33.500 ft) on April 14, 2005,
>Landing at the South Pass of Mount Everest at 7,925 meters (26,000 ft) on May 12th, 2005, establishing a new altitude landing and take-off record, previously held by
a Cheetah helicopter - variant of the Lama - at 7,670 meters (25,150 ft).

With this landing on the top of the world, EUROCOPTER demonstrates that its technological innovations provide its products a length - height - ahead, set at the disposal of its worldwide customers.

To date, 3,670 Ecureuil/AStar have been sold worldwide and logged 15 million flight hours.

Since its introduction on the market, the Ecureuil/AStar/Twinstar family has been benefiting of successive improvements among which its most powerful version is the Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3. This aircraft is serial equipped with modern systems such as dual channel FADEC, Vehicule and Engine Monitoring Display, integrated GPS, etc….

424 Ecureuil/AStar AS350 B3 are currently in operation worldwide, mainly used for missions requiring high performances, such as aerial work (cargo sling capacity: 1,400kg) in very high and hot conditions.

EUROCOPTER is thankful to the Nepalese government and all its departments for their help and friendly support throughout this mission.

These world records are currently submitted to the official approval of the FAI.

Eurocopter is a wholly owned subsidiary of EADS. The worldwide leader in aerospace, defense, and the associated services, EADS generated a turnover of 31.8 billion euros in 2004, and employed approximately 110,000 people throughout the world. The EADS Group includes the aircraft maker Airbus, the world’s leading helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter, and the world’s second largest missile company, the joint venture MDBA. EADS is also the biggest partner in the Eurofighter consortium and the lead contractor for the Ariane launcher. The Group is also developing the A400M military transport aircraft, and is the major industrial partner for Galileo, the European satellite-based navigation system.


SABRE & P.A.F can you confirm.I have heard that Pakistan is going to get this helicopter in the near future or this is an old news and i am late
that record now stands cancelled(according to the nepali government),the record still stands in favour.
the reason why the nepali govt launched a complaint aginst it were:
1)official permission of the govt of nepal was not taken.
2)falsification of claims (the test pilot landed it about 1000 feet below on a ridge)
3)no independent verification of the claim.
nepal government already has launched an investigation on these claims and lodged and official complaint with icao in this regard.
i will try and post the news articles soon(though i believe they have already been posted in this forum):coffee
 

kashifshahzad

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aaaditya said:
that record now stands cancelled(according to the nepali government),the record still stands in favour.
the reason why the nepali govt launched a complaint aginst it were:
1)official permission of the govt of nepal was not taken.
2)falsification of claims (the test pilot landed it about 1000 feet below on a ridge)
3)no independent verification of the claim.
nepal government already has launched an investigation on these claims and lodged and official complaint with icao in this regard.
i will try and post the news articles soon(though i believe they have already been posted in this forum):coffee
Aaaditya i simply asked whether Pakistan is going to get these choppers or not this chopper might have borken the record this chopper would be specially very much useful for the rescure missions
 

P.A.F

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SABRE & P.A.F can you confirm.I have heard that Pakistan is going to get this helicopter in the near future or this is an old news and i am late
sorry mate i don't know my self. anyway where did u hear this news from?
 

aaaditya

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kashifshahzad said:
Aaaditya i simply asked whether Pakistan is going to get these choppers or not this chopper might have borken the record this chopper would be specially very much useful for the rescure missions
sorry about that ,but i believe pakistan has been offered bell helicopters by the usa.:coffee
 

kashifshahzad

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P.A.F said:
sorry mate i don't know my self. anyway where did u hear this news from?
Matey in a show on the defence day an officer revealed this news he told that Pakistan will be getting this soon can you find some article related to this
 

kashifshahzad

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aaaditya said:
sorry about that ,but i believe pakistan has been offered bell helicopters by the usa.:coffee
Bell alright if Pakistan can get Mi-17's from russia then why cant others and AC's too.India can do defence shopping from all over the world but why PAF cant
 

P.A.F

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kashifshahzad said:
Matey in a show on the defence day an officer revealed this news he told that Pakistan will be getting this soon can you find some article related to this
well i've tried to look for one but can't find one:coffee
 

aaaditya

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kashifshahzad said:
Bell alright if Pakistan can get Mi-17's from russia then why cant others and AC's too.India can do defence shopping from all over the world but why PAF cant
first of all kashif be very clear ,i never mentioned that pakistan cannot acquire defence equipments from other countries,i was just replying to your post,and if pakistan acquires the above helicopter then good for them. :mad: :coffee
 

kashifshahzad

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aaaditya said:
first of all kashif be very clear ,i never mentioned that pakistan cannot acquire defence equipments from other countries,i was just replying to your post,and if pakistan acquires the above helicopter then good for them. :mad: :coffee
Aaaditya dont get angry please i just tried to express my feelings sorry for derailing
 

kashifshahzad

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SABRE said:
Kashif read this artical. Every where I read it says BVR Bomb.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/031218/139/2ag1d.html

http://www.dawn.com/2003/12/18/top6.htm

H-2 & H-4 are the ones u were calling HAFR-1 & HAFR-2.

According to the articals it is a bomb. Now as u said Bombs are free fall hence can not be BVR, so it must be Air to Ground missile.

Now according to reports H-4 is Pakistani derivative of South Africa's V4 R-Darter, T-Darter. But the T-Darter is an Air to Air Missile.

See in the artical;

http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/reference/Air-to-Air_Missiles/South%20Africa.htm

Now tell me, who is more confusing? & who is confusing who :D .

Some one ought to do some digging here. I come to know NESCOM is under development of Air 2 Ground Missile with the range of 150Km to 160Km n ppl say that South Africa is helping NESCOM with the project. May be the reports on new A2G Missile & H-4 got mixed up by the journalists...lols.

I'll be back with this after some proper diggings.
SABRE mind it missile is a missile and bomb is a bomb missiles can be WVR and BVR and bombs are free fall and they can be BVR or WVR if they are WVR that means they can be fired when the target is with in the visual range and you know about the BVR there are some cases when you need a BVR bomb the cases might be like this you dont want to be seen by the enemy and drop a bomb from height and the other case might be this that when you want to destroy a 40-50 stoery building then you would have to do this climb up take the target from certain height and drop the bomb it will ge the the basement or the center of the building (depending on the height of the AC size of the bomb and others ) then what is gonna happen a boom the building will be destroyed simply.

If you say that it is an A2G missile then PAF is not having A2G missile other then the Mevericks they have very small range i.e 20-30 km.there is a lot difference in the ranges 160km and 20-30km.but the changes goes in favour or a A2G missile not in the favour of a BVR bomb.

AM I CONFUSING NOW :(
 

SABRE

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kashifshahzad said:
SABRE mind it missile is a missile and bomb is a bomb missiles can be WVR and BVR and bombs are free fall and they can be BVR or WVR if they are WVR that means they can be fired when the target is with in the visual range and you know about the BVR there are some cases when you need a BVR bomb the cases might be like this you dont want to be seen by the enemy and drop a bomb from height and the other case might be this that when you want to destroy a 40-50 stoery building then you would have to do this climb up take the target from certain height and drop the bomb it will ge the the basement or the center of the building (depending on the height of the AC size of the bomb and others ) then what is gonna happen a boom the building will be destroyed simply.

If you say that it is an A2G missile then PAF is not having A2G missile other then the Mevericks they have very small range i.e 20-30 km.there is a lot difference in the ranges 160km and 20-30km.but the changes goes in favour or a A2G missile not in the favour of a BVR bomb.

AM I CONFUSING NOW :(
lol dont worry.

From what I have found is that Pakistan has self made T-Darter veriant which is BVRAAM with 120Km range & in addition Pakistan also has Air 2 Ground Missile with similar range. I dont know which is H-4.
 

PAF-PILOT#15

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i got this of something like ltd forum or something!!! sry admin. wont happen again and i am sry Topgun501 sryyy:(
 
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PAF-PILOT#15

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(copied)
September 9 2005 at 4:57 PM

Islamabad: The US would start supplying 75 modern F-16 warplanes to Pakistan from next year, Online News Friday quoted Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal as saying.

"The supply of F-16s, equipped with modern defence and war mechanism, would start from 2006 after the US Congress endorses the deal on it", he told reporters after meeting Richard H. Trice, senior vice president of Lockhead Martin Corporation - the US F-16 manufacturing company, here.

The US barred the sale of F-16s to Pakistan in 1990, expressing deep concerns over its nuclear weapons development programme.

He said Pakistan would receive seven or eight F-16 fighter planes each year.

The minister said the US was alive to the defence and military needs of Pakistan and was extending every possible support and cooperation in its war against terrorism.

Trice said the US Congress was currently considering the deal for the supply of F-16s to Pakistan and would soon endorse it.

Beside F-16s, the US would also offer C-130 and P3C Orion warplanes and modern radar system, he said

:D :D :D ;)
 

pshamim

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It is an old news and not correct. P3-C have already changed title and I do not think that any more will be taken unless offered free of cost.

L.M. has a large capacity to assemble far more than 7 or 8 F-16 a year when the assembly line is not being fully utilized. L.M. can easily churn out the whole Pakistani order in three years and not 10.
 

SABRE

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PAF-PILOT#15 said:
(copied)
September 9 2005 at 4:57 PM

Islamabad: The US would start supplying 75 modern F-16 warplanes to Pakistan from next year, Online News Friday quoted Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal as saying.

"The supply of F-16s, equipped with modern defence and war mechanism, would start from 2006 after the US Congress endorses the deal on it", he told reporters after meeting Richard H. Trice, senior vice president of Lockhead Martin Corporation - the US F-16 manufacturing company, here.

The US barred the sale of F-16s to Pakistan in 1990, expressing deep concerns over its nuclear weapons development programme.

He said Pakistan would receive seven or eight F-16 fighter planes each year.

The minister said the US was alive to the defence and military needs of Pakistan and was extending every possible support and cooperation in its war against terrorism.

Trice said the US Congress was currently considering the deal for the supply of F-16s to Pakistan and would soon endorse it.



:D :D :D ;)
Vice President of LH-M has actualy has offered more than what US it self has to offer. He is also offering advance Radars for AirCrafts & other equipements.

He also said that LM-H is speeding up the coutomization of two 2nd hand F-16s of USAF & would probably send them next month instead of in December.

Beside F-16s, the US would also offer C-130 and P3C Orion warplanes and modern radar system, he said
P3C Orion deal is done..lols this reporter is bit behind. C-130J deal is to go through, there are bo hurdles in it.
 

lakhani

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sabre,

do you think PAF have ever thought or asked for ToT of f-16s. I mean if they are going for 75 new ones then ....

plus the vp of lokheed has given statement as if pakistan has already selected the plane and US has aprove their demands. I heard AVM of PAF saying that they havent yet selected the plane, they are still evaluating the european planes.
I think supply of two f-16s is a part of evaluation.
 

aaaditya

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pshamim said:
It is an old news and not correct. P3-C have already changed title and I do not think that any more will be taken unless offered free of cost.

L.M. has a large capacity to assemble far more than 7 or 8 F-16 a year when the assembly line is not being fully utilized. L.M. can easily churn out the whole Pakistani order in three years and not 10.
7 to 8 a year seems to be too less,i believe pakistan should ask for tot and a deep licence similiar to what they did for the agosta90b.will pakistan be getting source codes which will enable them to integrate chinese or indigenous missiles without us help?:coffee
 
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