PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter

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Feanor

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Balancer said:
Tomorrow we will have a first flight of PAK FA :russia
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Additionally the flight will take place at KnAAPO.

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Additionally the article claims the plane needs runway length of 300-400m to take off. Will have 16 hardpoints, including 8 internal, max speed of 2100 km/h, and the gun will be a 30mm.

EDIT: Confirmation wise, it's been confirmed to fly before the end of January.
 
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It would be nice to see a link. I don't recall the 1.8 number anywhere. Just the 2100 km/h numbers.
 
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And right there is says:

Предполагаемый внешний вид ПАК ФА. Изображение Aleksander Dultsev с сайта duler.ru

I.e. it's more concept art.
 
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Feanor said:
Delayed. Again. Until tomorrow.

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indeed and look here: . Также сообщается, что истребитель сможет взлетать и садиться, используя взлетно-посадочные полосы длиной 300-400 метров.

Also reported that the fighter can take off and land using a runway length of 300-400 meters.

thats pretty short take off.. I wonder how much of this is real and how much is misinformation,
5000km range, short take off...


I am worried that these will be the press photos of the new PAK-FA: http://www.schultzairshows.com/ba-jato.jpg

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with all these delays the PAK-FA is more overhyped than Duke Nukem Forever..
 
Feanor

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Flight was successful. No photos as of right now. The fighter spent 45 minutes in the air. The airplane is described also as "super-manoueverable" which typically refers to thrust-vectoring.

I wonder when we will finally get to see the plane...
 
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Here you go
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well, that is clearly not 5th gen in design cues.

no chines, (rcs management of nose/radar into wing formation)
no suppressed inlets, no shock ramps or S bends visible
rounded nose cone

they have obviously taken a different design intent, but its not LO in intent going off whats shown to date. it does look like its intended for an air dominance role though due to the proud cockpit

it looks like a hybrid of the stillborn 50hr Mig in a few areas.


I'm still of the opinion that no decent judgement is possible until we see close static shots.
 
Feanor

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The alleged RCS is .5m^2. I.e. it's quite a bit more noticeable then the F-22 or even F-35. The question is what it has in regards to sensors (talk of a new OLS that's distributed along multiple parts of the airframe), data-link, data-processing, etc. The other major question is whether the VVS will be able to structural accomodate an advanced fighter jet in regards to integration, weapon systems, etc. All of this will have a much greater bearing on the success and effectiveness of the PAK-FA then the difference in RCS between it and rival 5th generation fighters which it will probably not face in combat for decades.

I'm not sure which 50hr MiG you're referring to, but RSK MiG had a 15% stake in the project so they certainly participated in the development process. The MiG 1.44/1.42 was certainly taken into consideration. YaK on the other hand pulled out of the project at some point (I'm not sure exactly where).
 
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Feanor said:
I'm not sure which 50hr MiG you're referring to, but RSK MiG had a 15% stake in the project so they certainly participated in the development process. The MiG 1.44/1.42 was certainly taken into consideration. YaK on the other hand pulled out of the project at some point (I'm not sure exactly where).
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Feanor, the Mig 1.44/1.42 did just over 50hrs flight time when completed.

I agree on the e-management issues, because the russians have always been strong in this field, however, brute power is not on display because the nose cone at scale is small - that implies a small dish.

again, without real scale to measure it, its hard to validate my opinion re small sensor systems on this particular artifact

I'd want to see more static shots and on scale
 
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