My guess is it will start with an 'f'.
PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter
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plasmahawk
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Well Than the US, UK, Canada, Aust and NZ come up with some strange names.
They don't have a committee sitting around guessing up names, it's much more boring than that.
In fact IIRC its a standing list which gets generated and is selected randomlyNone of it is for making the asset appear exciting etc...
yep. eastern bloc/soviet/russian/red fighter assets names are prefixed with "f"
eastern bloc/soviet/russian/red bomber assets names are prefixed with "b"
eastern bloc/soviet/russian/red ground based missile names are prefixed with "s"
eastern bloc/soviet/russian/red air launched missiles assets names are prefixed with "a"
etc etc....
the static radar systems don't follow the same naming conventions and are a bit all over the shop. in the past they earned their names based on things like how they looked from a distance, the noise they emitted when active etc.....
I think we may have a winner.
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What about the FlyingDufus?
Ok guys lets get back on topic. I realize I may have encouraged some of this derailing but there is a lot to talk about without one word spam, or mock-names for Russian fighter jets.
If you really need a thread to joke around in, the Off-Topic forum is always there.
If you really need a thread to joke around in, the Off-Topic forum is always there.
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When you look at it from a distance it seems in-appropriate/unbalanced.
Tail section raised / beak lowered.
The airplane is flat, only the cockpit is the area where you can see a thickening/widening of the body.
The tail is completely "ACHTUNG!" (equivalent to cool / wow - slang ) tails are trapezoidal tilted and turn completely, fully rotating tail?
When you look at it it is hard to describe it, ... i guess its scary"edit"
--- Russian Version ---
22.01.2010
"...ПАК ФА совершил скоростную пробежку с отрывом передней стойки шасси и выпуском тормозного парашюта.
Когда смотришь на него издали, вид кажется слегка несуразным. Хвостовая часть задрана, клюв опущен. Весь плоский, только где кабина утолщение. А кили вообще ахтунг. Они чисто трапециевидные, наклонены и к тому же поворачиваются целиком. Когда смотришь не чисто в профиль или в фас, то ощущения странные. Словами выразить сложно. Но в скором времени должны появится фото ибо сегодня было замечено несколько фотографов и кинооператоров. Запечатлевали исторический момент."
Ok guys lets get back on topic. I realize I may have encouraged some of this derailing but there is a lot to talk about without one word spam, or mock-names for Russian fighter jets.
If you really need a thread to joke around in, the Off-Topic forum is always there.
2010 Completed runs on the ground
PS Defencetalk doesnt work in china.. I have to use a stupid proxy to do this from Hong Kong.. signnnhhh
When you look at it from a distance it seems in-appropriate/unbalanced.
Tail section raised / beak lowered.
The airplane is flat, only the cockpit is the area where you can see a thickening/widening of the body.
The tail is completely "ACHTUNG!" (equivalent to cool / wow - slang ) tails are trapezoidal tilted and turn completely, fully rotating tail?
When you look at it it is hard to describe it, ... i guess its scary"edit"
--- Russian Version ---
22.01.2010
"...ПАК ФА совершил скоростную пробежку с отрывом передней стойки шасси и выпуском тормозного парашюта.
Когда смотришь на него издали, вид кажется слегка несуразным. Хвостовая часть задрана, клюв опущен. Весь плоский, только где кабина утолщение. А кили вообще ахтунг. Они чисто трапециевидные, наклонены и к тому же поворачиваются целиком. Когда смотришь не чисто в профиль или в фас, то ощущения странные. Словами выразить сложно. Но в скором времени должны появится фото ибо сегодня было замечено несколько фотографов и кинооператоров. Запечатлевали исторический момент."
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hey guys did you hear about the MigLMFS. heres somethng i got about it from Global security.org
Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyet (LMFS)
[Light Multi-Function Frontal Aircraft]
Light Multi-Role Tactical Aircraft
In November 2006 it was reported that the Russian Air Force had made an unexpected shift in the priorities for its future fighter, with the service will back the simultaneous development of two programs for a fifth-generation aircraft. The PAK FA medium-weight fighter program, which had been underway since 2002, was joined by MiG's lighter-weight aircraft project. In addition to the goal of winning domestic orders, MiG's light multi-role fighter, built on the company's earlier experience with its MiG 1.44 program, also may attract India as a co-developer and future customer.
In April 2002, the Russian military chose Sukhoi's T-50 proposal in the fifth-generation fighter contest — which was codenamed the Perspektivniy Aviatsionniy Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsii (PAK FA), or future tactical aviation air system. The Sukhoi T-50's rival in 2002 was the MiG design, the exact designation of which is classified. Later, when MiG Corp. decided to continue this program, it received the codename Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyot (LMFS) or Light Multi-role Tactical Aircraft. MiG Corp. did not accept defeat in the contest against Sukhoi.
In 2005 MiG's LMFS project came out of the shadows again. The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) started analyzing the development options for a home-grown fifth-generation fighter, called the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), which was a twin-engine version of the its Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter. After a bad experience with the LCA, India sought a partner in Russia for the MCA program.
A great advantage of the MiG project is the fact that its design and technical parameters are significantly different from the Sukhoi T-50. As a result, the market does not have to choose between an "either-or" situation, and both aircraft can find their place, depending upon the needs of potential export clients.
The LMFS will be about 30% lighter than the T-50. According to approximate assessments, the T-50 will have a normal take-off weight of 21 tons, which places it between present MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters — whereas the LMFS is likely to weigh 15 tons. Most probably, the LMFS will retain the delta canard configuration of the heavy MiG 1.44 prototype.
In April 2006, the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Company announced that it had started design work on a new engine for the next-generation lightweight fighter being developed by MiG Corp. Although MiG has yet to define all of its requirements for the future engine, Klimov representatives said their powerplant will have increased thrust, a vectoring nozzle and modular design.
SOURCE-www.globalsecurity.org
Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyet (LMFS)
[Light Multi-Function Frontal Aircraft]
Light Multi-Role Tactical Aircraft
In November 2006 it was reported that the Russian Air Force had made an unexpected shift in the priorities for its future fighter, with the service will back the simultaneous development of two programs for a fifth-generation aircraft. The PAK FA medium-weight fighter program, which had been underway since 2002, was joined by MiG's lighter-weight aircraft project. In addition to the goal of winning domestic orders, MiG's light multi-role fighter, built on the company's earlier experience with its MiG 1.44 program, also may attract India as a co-developer and future customer.
In April 2002, the Russian military chose Sukhoi's T-50 proposal in the fifth-generation fighter contest — which was codenamed the Perspektivniy Aviatsionniy Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsii (PAK FA), or future tactical aviation air system. The Sukhoi T-50's rival in 2002 was the MiG design, the exact designation of which is classified. Later, when MiG Corp. decided to continue this program, it received the codename Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyot (LMFS) or Light Multi-role Tactical Aircraft. MiG Corp. did not accept defeat in the contest against Sukhoi.
In 2005 MiG's LMFS project came out of the shadows again. The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) started analyzing the development options for a home-grown fifth-generation fighter, called the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), which was a twin-engine version of the its Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter. After a bad experience with the LCA, India sought a partner in Russia for the MCA program.
A great advantage of the MiG project is the fact that its design and technical parameters are significantly different from the Sukhoi T-50. As a result, the market does not have to choose between an "either-or" situation, and both aircraft can find their place, depending upon the needs of potential export clients.
The LMFS will be about 30% lighter than the T-50. According to approximate assessments, the T-50 will have a normal take-off weight of 21 tons, which places it between present MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters — whereas the LMFS is likely to weigh 15 tons. Most probably, the LMFS will retain the delta canard configuration of the heavy MiG 1.44 prototype.
In April 2006, the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Company announced that it had started design work on a new engine for the next-generation lightweight fighter being developed by MiG Corp. Although MiG has yet to define all of its requirements for the future engine, Klimov representatives said their powerplant will have increased thrust, a vectoring nozzle and modular design.
SOURCE-www.globalsecurity.org
hey guys did you hear about the MigLMFS. heres somethng i got about it from Global security.org
Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyet (LMFS)
[Light Multi-Function Frontal Aircraft]
Light Multi-Role Tactical Aircraft
In November 2006 it was reported that the Russian Air Force had made an unexpected shift in the priorities for its future fighter, with the service will back the simultaneous development of two programs for a fifth-generation aircraft. The PAK FA medium-weight fighter program, which had been underway since 2002, was joined by MiG's lighter-weight aircraft project. In addition to the goal of winning domestic orders, MiG's light multi-role fighter, built on the company's earlier experience with its MiG 1.44 program, also may attract India as a co-developer and future customer.
In April 2002, the Russian military chose Sukhoi's T-50 proposal in the fifth-generation fighter contest — which was codenamed the Perspektivniy Aviatsionniy Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsii (PAK FA), or future tactical aviation air system. The Sukhoi T-50's rival in 2002 was the MiG design, the exact designation of which is classified. Later, when MiG Corp. decided to continue this program, it received the codename Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyot (LMFS) or Light Multi-role Tactical Aircraft. MiG Corp. did not accept defeat in the contest against Sukhoi.
In 2005 MiG's LMFS project came out of the shadows again. The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) started analyzing the development options for a home-grown fifth-generation fighter, called the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), which was a twin-engine version of the its Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter. After a bad experience with the LCA, India sought a partner in Russia for the MCA program.
A great advantage of the MiG project is the fact that its design and technical parameters are significantly different from the Sukhoi T-50. As a result, the market does not have to choose between an "either-or" situation, and both aircraft can find their place, depending upon the needs of potential export clients.
The LMFS will be about 30% lighter than the T-50. According to approximate assessments, the T-50 will have a normal take-off weight of 21 tons, which places it between present MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters — whereas the LMFS is likely to weigh 15 tons. Most probably, the LMFS will retain the delta canard configuration of the heavy MiG 1.44 prototype.
In April 2006, the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Company announced that it had started design work on a new engine for the next-generation lightweight fighter being developed by MiG Corp. Although MiG has yet to define all of its requirements for the future engine, Klimov representatives said their powerplant will have increased thrust, a vectoring nozzle and modular design.
SOURCE-www.globalsecurity.org
Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyet (LMFS)
[Light Multi-Function Frontal Aircraft]
Light Multi-Role Tactical Aircraft
In November 2006 it was reported that the Russian Air Force had made an unexpected shift in the priorities for its future fighter, with the service will back the simultaneous development of two programs for a fifth-generation aircraft. The PAK FA medium-weight fighter program, which had been underway since 2002, was joined by MiG's lighter-weight aircraft project. In addition to the goal of winning domestic orders, MiG's light multi-role fighter, built on the company's earlier experience with its MiG 1.44 program, also may attract India as a co-developer and future customer.
In April 2002, the Russian military chose Sukhoi's T-50 proposal in the fifth-generation fighter contest — which was codenamed the Perspektivniy Aviatsionniy Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsii (PAK FA), or future tactical aviation air system. The Sukhoi T-50's rival in 2002 was the MiG design, the exact designation of which is classified. Later, when MiG Corp. decided to continue this program, it received the codename Liogkiy Mnogofunktsionalniy Frontovoi Samolyot (LMFS) or Light Multi-role Tactical Aircraft. MiG Corp. did not accept defeat in the contest against Sukhoi.
In 2005 MiG's LMFS project came out of the shadows again. The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) started analyzing the development options for a home-grown fifth-generation fighter, called the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), which was a twin-engine version of the its Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fighter. After a bad experience with the LCA, India sought a partner in Russia for the MCA program.
A great advantage of the MiG project is the fact that its design and technical parameters are significantly different from the Sukhoi T-50. As a result, the market does not have to choose between an "either-or" situation, and both aircraft can find their place, depending upon the needs of potential export clients.
The LMFS will be about 30% lighter than the T-50. According to approximate assessments, the T-50 will have a normal take-off weight of 21 tons, which places it between present MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters — whereas the LMFS is likely to weigh 15 tons. Most probably, the LMFS will retain the delta canard configuration of the heavy MiG 1.44 prototype.
In April 2006, the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Company announced that it had started design work on a new engine for the next-generation lightweight fighter being developed by MiG Corp. Although MiG has yet to define all of its requirements for the future engine, Klimov representatives said their powerplant will have increased thrust, a vectoring nozzle and modular design.
SOURCE-www.globalsecurity.org
Haavarla
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I may be wrong here, but ist this quite old news?
We have yet to see any MIG LMFS project materilized.
Its just the same crap, we been reading about for years..
And the newly developed engine for Mig could be the latest RD-33MK or 'seawasp'?
Thanks
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windscorpion
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From that description it sounds like a Raptorski.
This seems like a classic high-low/light-heavy mix, similar to an F-15--F-16 or a Su-27--MiG-29 combination. The PAK-FA would fill the larger, more complex role, the MiG the lower spot.
Problem is Russia would have to make a significant financial commitment to field both and they might just opt to fly the PAK-FA instead.
The Russians are probably just trying to keep it under wraps. The longer it stays a mystery, the greater it will seem.
plasmahawk
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Cant disclose source.
Since I dont know him/her that well, and I suspect him/her being an employee @ the factory.
From other reports from the simmilar sources, the reason for the F22 being suspended in production is that the PAKFA is sooooo. greatly superior. although we have heard this many times, and as much as I am a Russian after a while you become numb to these kinds of statements.
The employee said, "the US is sitting in the corner stressfully smoking, awaiting more information on PAK FA before deciding how much of an upgrade the F22 will need to outshine it"
Some aspects laid out is that the exhaust is nearly "cold air" making it very hard to IR detect.
Plas
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Just a minor detail to add. As of right now the MiG-35 is set to fill the LFI requirement. No light 5th gen. fighter is planned as far as I know. And while you can find mountains of dated articles on plans for one, I'd be rather skeptical if I were you, of the finances being there for one.
Tomorrow we will have a first flight of PAK FA :russia
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