Roger Smith said:
mysterious said:
It is NOT about having larger/largest Muslim populations Roger my friend, its about the Religion of the STATE!!! India is a Hindu state no matter how secular of a democracy it clammers about being and it will remain so. Turkey, much like rest of the Europe is on the path to "secularism" and its only an Islamic state for the name's sake I'd say! All other Islamic states are quite "Islamic" when you compare them to Turkey. So my point is that no true Islamic state would keep relations with a Zionist state because we Muslims know we have to show our faces to God and stand trial of our deeds when we die; and its better to keep one's honour and dignity rather than join forces (or shake hands) with Zionists who are killing Muslims each day! So Roger, like it or not, it all comes down to "religion" in the end! And lastly, I dont believe in secularism as a secular life is meaningless. :smokingc:
Mys..... You may be right with your theory on religion, it is all crap and we are not living in the middle ages. Religion and state should be separate for improvement and betterment of people economy and the country infrastructure.
Thats the problem Roger, you're not a Muslim. If you were one, you wouldn't have posted this post of yours. You see, for Muslims, state and religion cannot be two different things; they go together. Thats the way Islam is. For Muslims, the betterment and improvement of people lies more with the spiritual and holy ways rather then western materialism. When you separate state and religion, you have countries like America, where crime rate is the highest in the world, where raping a woman accurs every 30 minutes or even much less, where sexual immorality is not an issue, where money and material well-being is all what people want (because that is how capitalism works - money is your new religion), etc. Then you have countries like France, where people are allowed to roam around naked but not wear headscarves just because it shows a sign of some religious affiliation. You see this whole idea of state and religion going together is what lies at the roots of Islam and that is why the Muslim world is lagging behind these days because they haven't found the right way to make the state & religion work together and so they are trying their best to do so. I am a proud Muslim and currently am taking up courses to dig deep in to the roots of Islam and believe me! the more I find out the more I love my religion.
In my view, the west has succeeded in prosperity and material welfare because it decided to forgo religion and accept secularism. Tell me, are the people in the west going to take their prosperity and material welfare (and wealth) to their graves? What are they going to do when asked in the afterlife about how religious they were? Are they going to answer, "Oh! We were so busy making money and gaining material advancements that we didnt get the time to pray or do at least something religious"?
The point I am trying to make here is that, once again, Islamic countries need to figure out a way to make the state and religion go hand in hand or it just wont work as a vast majority in the Muslim world is NOT ready to give up religion for the material well being and economic development at the hands of Capitalism (as far as what I have found out from my study and research).
