PAF IN 2015

[srirangan]

Pakistan and her surrounding are too instable to predict even in the scale of 3-4 years. Afghanistan, Taliban, and the religious parties within Pakistan bring political instability. Maintaining a parity with India would eventually bring economic instability esp. if the foreign help reduces or dries up.

Anyway this is off-topic and I shall stop.

 

[P.A.F]

basically by 2015 the PAF needs to have 400-500 STRONG fighters if it is to defend itself. i would go for something like this.

40 f-16s
150 jf-17s
100 f-7p
150 f-7 PG
50 jh-7A
80 Rafale or Gripen
and a couple of operational Mirages :

 

[Ethan]

What the hell happened to my thread. Replies are all over the place and original post is on page number two..Administrators, can you please fix this.

 

[webmaster]

Ethen, your reply here:

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/post-33541.html#33541

The thread was merged with similar one.... anything after that reply is your thread.

 

[Ethan]

Look, I appreciate that effort but please separate my thread from the other one. I started out my thread for a reason. I was aware of the existence of the other thread. I did not add my oipinion to it for a reason. Anyone and everyone was coming to it and adding a shopping list wihout having a constructive dialogue. I started mine is a well thought out most realistic scenario based on option and not on a whish list. If it was purely a shopping list that i wanted to accumulate then I would have simply added a one line and said 500 F-22s.

 

[webmaster]

Ethen, what was the reason for not adding your comment to topic which already had a thread open??? We have too many indo/pak topics, so we have to merge similar topics.

I would split the thread back if you can give me a valid/good reason! I understand you wrote whole alot but that doesn't mean you open a NEW topic when a thread containing same topic already exists.

 

[Ethan]

I am not going to justify to you why the two threads should be separate. If it is not already clear to you how different the two of them are. Furthermore, I am not looking for a big brother to watch over me and decide what goes where.

Obviously the concept of free speech is entirely foreign to you. I am not going to be participating in the forum any further.

 

[webmaster]

NO body is taking your "free speech" away. We have to keep similar threads together - thats how it is on ALL forums not just here.

You opened a NEW thread when you knew that a thread on same topic exists - It seems you are not familiar with discussion board etiquette!

 

[Ethan]

Well Since we are making this personal. If you dont have the intelligence to dietinguish between two threads where one starts out by giving a Christmas wish list of warplanes they'd like to see in PAF wihout giving any regard to cost, budget, and political realities and another thread which is discussing the economic, technological, and industrial benefits of having a certian force structure.

There was a perfectly good discussion underway, until you decided to hijack the tread.

As far as etiquette is concerned, well first of all on most forums administrators post a note to let eveyone know they are merging the treats. You did not even have the courtesy to do that.

 

[webmaster]

Ethen, no body is making this a personal matter. You took it personal from the start. You should have sent one of he MODS or myself a PM to find out why this was done, not attack us out in open and expect us to bend our rules for you. This is a forum and moderators as well as admins are required to keep things in check. You were given a LINK to YOUR reply as you requested.

Since your thread was more realistic (even though it was a wishlist) thats why the OLDER thread was MERGED into the new one (see the subject is the from the new thread). Normally, we merge new thread into the old ones, if they are similar. Now, don't waste your or my time discussing this matter and continue with the discussion if you like.

As far as topic is concerned, both (old and yours) threads are wish lists and nothing more. Anyone can come up with a good wish list. If you want to display your talent and abilities as a writer, please do so by writing a good analytical article or write for the Weapons DB project. Thats how you will gain attention that you seek... don't forget to watch this:

http://www.trials-shack.co.uk/posting.html

Now, I would appreciate if you can continue with the discussion. Lets post something other than airforce, naval, etc wish lists!!!

 

[SABRE]

Now this is Off topic. Way too off topic.

Ethen, my friend, it doesnt matter that your thread was set for different topic, the discussion will come out to be similar in both anyways. Y not discuss same thing or Topic on one Thread than on two.
It has happened here before & it takes away fun when we have to post one thing in two different threads. So the move by webs is correct one. Lets get back to discussion shall we.

 

[webmaster]

No more replies regarding the move/merger of the thread.

Get back to the topic.

 

[Ethan]

Does anyone know anything about the two seat attack version of the FC-1 that is being developed. It Pakistan contemplating acquiring this possibly to replace the Q-5

 

[Aussie Digger]

Ethan, I think your wishlist might be a bit of wishful thinking. Despite your opinion of the Americans, the Pakistan military is actively seeking to acquire more and more weapon systems fom them (the most recent announcement being the P-3C's, Phalanx and TOW-2A missiles for it's Cobra gunships).

It HAS placed an order for 18 new F-16's from America and for MLU kits for it's existing F-16's. This request is still being considered at present. If it's approved you can bet anything you like it will be immediately followed by an additional order for more F-16's. The PAF in the words of their own Air Chief Marshall intend to operate the F-16 for quite a number of years yet, and see it remaining as their top fighter aircraft. Thinking otherwise is simply being naive.

 

[Ethan]

Uhm, Aussie Digger, as I pointed out to you earlier, Pakistan's request for 70 fighters was denied. America said the best you are getting is 18 F-16s, period!!!Bet you these are gonna be Blcock 40 F-16s. Above all it still remains to be seen if PAF will recieve any AMRAAMs with them. Without, it F-16s are of limited use only. With these fithers PAFs fleet will only be 50 F-16s.

 

[P.A.F]

like i said before
basically by 2015 the PAF needs to have 400-500 STRONG fighters if it is to defend itself. i would go for something like this.

40 f-16s by the way if PAF get the additional 18. they would be armed with AMRAAMs and JDAMs.
150 jf-17s
100 f-7p
150 f-7 PG
50 jh-7A
80 Rafale or Gripen
and a couple of operational Mirages
:

 

[SABRE]

sorry bro..PAF crossed out Gripens. I wish some authentic website posts this now. Its almost off now.

J-10 r now going to be purchased, F-16s deal has been convayed to congress. Oldies would be upgraded n new will also be bought. JF-17 is offcourse there.
There is no longer a Gripen on PAF list n possibly no Rafale.

 

[adsH]

Ok PAF has not crossed out any AC, they are going for the F-16 so that they can get the AMRAMs with new batch, which would allow the swedes to sell what they have to offer PAF with the BVRs. its simple the US cannot restrict swedes to not sell something they have already sold

 

[SABRE]

Ok PAF has not crossed out any AC, they are going for the F-16 so that they can get the AMRAMs with new batch, which would allow the swedes to sell what they have to offer PAF with the BVRs. its simple the US cannot restrict swedes to not sell something they have already sold

Bro just edited my incomplete post. Read again.

Take it as this...some how I took it out from the lions mouth that Gripen deal is dead. Dnt ask who is the lion or he wont open his mouth again.
Apperently the reason diplomats believe that is killing or has killed the Gripen deal is the murder of Norway's film director Theo Van Gough. Looks like scandinevia is going anti-Muslim.
As far as I have studied diplomacy this is a lame reason.

 

[Ethan]

Stick to the topic people. Pakistan may not be acquiring any other fithers in numbers because it can't get them because of a lack of funding or it may simply be a part of it's overall strategy.

PAF may simply be concentrating all it's resources on just the JF-17 project and once these enter a sizeable number which may be by the middle of the next decade if the production rate is 15-20 Aircrafts per year. It is entirely possible that it may wait until then to lauch the acquisition of a large chunk of fighters so a certain amount to be manufactured locally. Either way I dont thik we'll be seeing the introduction of a new platform at the latest at least until the end of this decade. This maybe J-10 or at a later date maybe a derivate of J-10.