New Chinese FAC supposedly in serial production

[gf0012-aust]

The shot provided by Ultrafang is a fake. Seriously, why idiots would try to do things like this is beyond me.

1) Missile tests are never conducted in built up areas
2) that missile plume is such a bad piece of work

 

[Number1azn365]

The shot provided by Ultrafang is a fake. Seriously, why idiots would try to do things like this is beyond me.

1) Missile tests are never conducted in built up areas
2) that missile plume is such a bad piece of work

Yeah its pretty easy to tell that was a fake, but can u tell us the authenticity of the 2211 FAC since you are the sneaky expert on China's Military.

 

[Awang se]

The shot provided by Ultrafang is a fake. Seriously, why idiots would try to do things like this is beyond me.

1) Missile tests are never conducted in built up areas
2) that missile plume is such a bad piece of work

let's look things on positive side will ya? i think the people who faked this picture not doing it to deceive anyone. i think he's trying to show us how the missile suppose to be launch. since the boat is still under construction and 3D computer image is time consuming to make, he's resolved of faking this photo.

 

[highsea]

Okay, number1azn365, I am posting this just for you!

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=16

Picture appears to be two FAC's in one shot. 2211 is on the cradle coming out of the shed on the far right, and the superstructure of another is partially visible on the far left. I am not vouching for the authenticity of the pic, but I thought you would like it.

I have some more higher res pics, I will upload later.

 

[Number1azn365]

Thanks Highseas.... Yeah I've seen this picture already. It just really hard to sometimes tell the difference between a real picture and a photoshopped one. The Chinese seem to be masters of photoshopped.

 

[srirangan]

>> The Chinese seem to be masters of photoshopped.

The attempt we saw here was crappy, but yeh they do seem PS fans!

 

[highsea]

Here are some additional pictures of the FAC boat(s), The first one in interesting, it appears to be some superstructure sections sitting on a barge. Right in front of the barge looks like what could possibly be one section of the missile housing (the gray box).

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=17

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=18

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=19

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=20

enjoy!

 

[Number1azn365]

Good Stuff Highseas, did you get the pictures off of China-Defense? I think i saw these pictures a few days ago on that forum.. Thanks Again. The first link which boat 22xx is That?

 

[highsea]

2208. Lol, I told you, they're all 2208.

The pics came off of a british forum, keypublishing I think. can't tell in the pic what boat it is, or even if it's a whole boat. It could just be a deck assembly. Typical big, blurry pic.

The other pics of 2211 are better resolution, you can tell the boats are aluminum, but why put pennant numbers on an unpainted hull?

 

[Number1azn365]

Found some very good close up pictures of the 2208 FAC and some info from Janes, hope you men and ladies enjoy.

Here is the latest news... (Couldn't find the exact link, but i got it from Xinhua in another forum)

Latest update from Janes

PATROL FORCES, China

Date Posted: 14-Mar-2005

Jane's Fighting Ships
FAST ATTACK CRAFT-MISSILE (PGGF)

IN SERVICE: 3

2208-2210


Displacement, tons: 220 full load
Dimensions, feet (metres): 139.8 × 40.0 × 4.9 (42.6 × 12.2 × 1.5)
Main machinery: 2 diesels; 6,865 hp (5.1 MW); 2 waterjet propulsors
Speed, knots: 36
Complement: 12
Missiles: 4 SSM.
Guns: 1-30 mm/65 AK 630; 6 barrels; 3,000 rds/min combined to 2 km; 12 missiles.
Weapons control: Optronic director.
Radars: Surface search: Type 362 (ESR-1); I-band.
Navigation: I-band.


Comment: A new coastal patrol craft, the first of which was launched at Qiuxin Shipyard, Shanghai in April 2004. The design is based on a 42 m hull developed by AMD Marine Consulting, Sydney. This was further progressed by its joint venture company in Guangzhou, Sea Bus International (SBI), into a patrol boat configuration which was selected by the Chinese Navy after a five-year investigation into various platform contenders. The craft has a wave-piercing catamaran hull form and a centre bow. Likely to be of aluminium alloy construction, the design clearly incorporates RCS reduction measures. Following extensive first of class trials, two further craft have been constructed and it is likely that full production has started. Large numbers are expected to replace the ageing patrol boat inventory. Dimensions are based on the original AMD design and other details are speculative.

UPDATED

 

[Number1azn365]

hey highseas you were talking about why they would put the pennant number before painting it, but i found a really old picture from stradegy page of the 2208 on it before it was painted... Maybe you will change ur mind about more FACs!

http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/chinese_stealth.asphttp://www.webmutants.com/strategypage/chinese_stealth1.jpg

 

[highsea]

Well, I can accept that they may put pennant numbers before they paint them, but I don't understand why they would do this. Wrt serial production, I am still waiting for something official, or at least better pics than we have seen so far.

 

[gf0012-aust]

well it looks like the Chinese have used an Australian Fast Cat design. I was curious about whether this was plagiarised some time ago as I've got some schematics made by AMD Marine Consulting from about 5 years back.

From an Australian perspective, my main concern is that AMD were doing some significant hull stabilisation work on vessels turning at high speed, they were at a stage where they were minimising vessel "lean", wake and wash at speed. No doubt the Chinese have got their hands on this technology which is very very unfortunate as it had numerous stealth and specwarfare uses.

I'd be betting that the water jets are based on some of the co-operative high speed racing designs that we were also looking at. Their appearance is very similar to some specific models already in service.

All in all, a classic example of why business with China will always be to their advantage - and how other countries will have significant trouble holding on to their IP.


AMD would have lost access to some defence consultancy work as a result of this faux pas on their part.

 

[Number1azn365]

Alright 2208 with new paint scheme.... Looks good

 

[highsea]

WTF??? Sea Camo? Lol, what is the PLAN thinking? It looks like the blue camo of the PLA Marines! (another not-so great idea, see attachment)

 

[Number1azn365]

LOL i admit the blue camo for those marines are weird, but something about the ship's color scheme makes it look nice. LOL those marines look really easy to spot.

 

[highsea]

Especially with the smoke trail leading right to them?

I agree the ship looks cool, but I can tell you it will stand out like a sore thumb in open water. There's a reason Navies paint their ships flat gray.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

WTF??? Sea Camo? Lol, what is the PLAN thinking? It looks like the blue camo of the PLA Marines! (another not-so great idea, see attachment)

This is exactly what happens when you got nerds with no field experience designing uniforms for the marine corps. Few years ago they were still using green forest camo and now the "shoot-me" blue camo.

But apart from the marine uniform, didn't warships in WWI uses camouflage patterns on their ships to confuse the enemy? I don't see anything wrong with the paint job for the boat.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I'm having trouble believing a few of these images. The CIWS on the cam'd 2208 looks like a PS smudge as well.

camo works on an enemy who doesn't have any sensors and is reduced to the Mk 1 eyeball (without bino's), but IMO is just a waste in this case.

besides that, IIRC all the computational work done on naval camouflage showed that digital blocking and angular lines were more effective to confusing the untrained eye.

 

[highsea]

...But apart from the marine uniform, didn't warships in WWI uses camouflage patterns on their ships to confuse the enemy? I don't see anything wrong with the paint job for the boat.

At sea, there is no background to blend to. It's just sea and sky. The smallest objects are visible for miles. When I am fishing, I am always scanning for birds. I can see a frigate bird from 7-8 miles away with a good pair of binocs, easy. Same goes for navigational bouys- thay are visible all the way to the horizon with the naked eye. A trained eye will pick up anomalies very quickly. The only way I would possible miss that pattern is if it was sitting stationary against a broken shoreline with an urban area behind it. And it would have to be right up against the shore, or you would see the shoreline between the boat and the beach. With a decent pair of binocs I would see it on land, especially since I would know what colors to look for.