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Okay just adding more pictures
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New Chinese FAC supposedly in serial production
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The China Defense links are 404'ing. You will need to upload to the gallery and then create a link to here.Number1azn365 said:
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WOW... If this is not Photoshopped then i believe that they have begun initial production.... Check out this picture of the 2210.
AFAIK there are at least 3 units and they have been produced in two different yards. That in itself suggests redundant production lines - hence serial production.
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Sorry gf0012-aust im not to good with my acronyms so can u tell me what AFAIK stands for. So there 3 FAC so far with more on its way? Have they tested the missiles yet?
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weapons fitouts and then trials usually adds another 12 months to the delivery cycle.armage said:
They're being built in separate yards. So it's an issue of parallel construction.armage said:
I have no idea whether China is following normal milspec construction procedures euther. If they are building on ruggedised COTS parameters then they could fast track construction a little. This may well be the case if they regard them as disposable and expendable assets in a shooting war. ie. sometimes nicknamed "attack and forget" (as opposed to "fire and forget")
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-2211- Looks like they are rolling them out.
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Re: China's FAC Testing
I think it's a total Photoshop doctored image.
I mean who in blazes tests missiles while the ship is moored?? and notice a person standing at the rear of the the craft while the missile is being fired!!!!
Can anybody identify the missile being fired??
I think it's a total Photoshop doctored image.
I mean who in blazes tests missiles while the ship is moored?? and notice a person standing at the rear of the the craft while the missile is being fired!!!!
Can anybody identify the missile being fired??
This is so phony it's not even funny. The last picture of the missile firing is the same shot as the top pic here, right down to the guy on deck and the guy on the dock:
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/albums/userpics/2005117163357592.jpg
It's just inverted and the numbers are erased. All of the other pics are pretty lame as well. Anyone can change a hull number in PS. There is no real evidence of more than one boat. Just a few fuzzy pictures with some crooked numbers. Show me a clear picture with two boats side by side, and maybe I'll believe it. Look at the pic of the boat coming out of the shed. It's not even painted yet, why would they put hull numbers on it??
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/albums/userpics/2005117163357592.jpg
It's just inverted and the numbers are erased. All of the other pics are pretty lame as well. Anyone can change a hull number in PS. There is no real evidence of more than one boat. Just a few fuzzy pictures with some crooked numbers. Show me a clear picture with two boats side by side, and maybe I'll believe it. Look at the pic of the boat coming out of the shed. It's not even painted yet, why would they put hull numbers on it??
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Obvioulsy those pictures of the test missiles are fake, but im pretty sure that the 2208-2211 are real. There have been a lot of pictures on other forums showing different angles and such. I believe GF can help us clear any misunderstandings.
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I have just learned to be sceptical of what I see on Internet forums. This reminds me of the J-XX pics that were floating around a few months ago. It turned out to be a fuzzy version the NASA SHARC wind tunnel mockup. All the Chinese forums were buzzing with it for a while, then the pics were identified.Number1azn365 said:
Back to the 2208. The first boat was first seen in April 2004. Sinodefence has a picture of it on the cradle when it came out of the shed. It is the same cradle that the 2211 boat is sitting on in the last pic you posted. The 2208 pic is just further down the dock so the buildings in the background are different.
I can almost believe 2 boats in one year, but I am highly sceptical of 4, especially when 3 of those 4 are within a month of each other. The first one hasn't even had time to finish sea trials. Anyone can PS some numbers on a fuzzy picture. I have seen better work on triple cockpit F-14's and such.
The only sharp pictures, and the only references in the Chinese media, are of the first boat, 2208. Everything else is a fuzzy shot. There is absolutely no discernable differences between the boats in the various pictures that can't be attributed to a series of pictures of the 2208 boat being fitted out. Even consecutive boats in a series will have small differences, a vent is relocated, an antenna changes, equipment is installed in a different sequence, etc. We see none of that here, and I have studied every picture of the 2208 closely. I recognized the fake missile pic by the way the dock lines were hanging on the boat. I knew I had seen the picture before.
There are no pictures of more than one boat in the same shot. If there are 4 boats, presumably 2 were built in one yard, and two in another. Why no pictures together? If 2208 and 2211 were built in the same yard, then 2209 and 2210 were buit in the other one. You would think someone would have taken a picture of them docked together during fitting out.
As more and more of these forums spring up, they tend to get referenced as some kind of reliable source (which they are not). I have seen DT referenced in other forums. It reminds me of the PAF officer with the "one star" rank that was quoted by the media, and ended up in a report that was used by various new sources. It wasn't credible, but if it gets repeated enough times, people start to believe it.
I will reserve my judgement until more evidence comes out. So far, I have seen nothing that convinces me of more than one boat.
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