Modernization in TNI - Air Force

[111Lover]

If so, great a new fleet of MiG-29's would rejuvenate Indonesia's combat capability and give Australian force planners, something to chew on...

With F-35's, Wedgetails and JORN? A JSF would eat a MiG-29 for breakfast.
IMHO, a nice fleet of Block 50 F-16s (if the US would allow it, I think I read the other day that they've liften the ban on export of weapons to Jakarta) would do Indonesia nicely. Besides they already are familiar with the aircraft so it's the natural way to go. Given Indonesia's size a couple of second-hand Hawkeyes wouldn't go astray either.

 

[marxist_command]

Have fun with your Sukhois. Couldn't afford those Hercs or heavy lift but you sure can afford Sukhois....

Come on 410Cougar , I agree with you that Indonesia should purchase more hercs or any other skytruck. That's why I ask if Indonesia start the production of IPTN again. Ex : CN-235,N-250,or N2130

 

[ren0312]

Tsunami triggered by quake kills at least 110 in Indonesia
Last Updated Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:32:08 EDT
CBC News

A two-metre tsunami spawned by a strong earthquake struck a beach resort area in Indonesia on Monday, killing at least 110 people, according to Indonesian Red Cross officials, police and local media.

Most of the deaths were reported in Pangandaran and nearby Cilacap, and reports from the scene say nearly 80 other people are missing.

Witnesses said the tsunami damaged hotels and threw boats into houses when it hit Pangandaran Beach in West Java province, on the southern coast of Indonesia's Java Island. Thousands of local people ran for a nearby hill to escape the wave.

The main earthquake measured 7.7 in intensity. It hit deep beneath the Indian Ocean, with its epicentre believed to be about 240 kilometres southwest of Java's western coast.

An aftershock with a magnitude of 6.2 rattled the area about an hour after the original quake, followed by another measuring 6.3 more than seven hours later. Several smaller shocks were also reported.

Indonesian Transport Minister Hatta Radjasa told Radio Elshinta, a radio station based in the capital Jakarta, that people living on Java's southern coast should head to higher ground in an orderly way in case more killer waves are on the way.

"Everyone should move from the beach," Radjasa said.

Indonesia has not fully recovered from a tsunami on Boxing Day in 2004 that killed more than 200,000 people.

The area hit by Monday's wave was spared from the earlier tsunami.

A year and a half after the 2004 disaster, Indonesia's main island still does not have a working tsunami warning system that would communicate regional warnings to people living or vacationing near the coast.

With files from the Associated Press

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/17/indonesia-earthquake.html


Have fun with your Sukhois. Couldn't afford those Hercs or heavy lift but you sure can afford Sukhois....

Well theoretically you could have Canada's defence budget in 2003, and spend all of those buying nothing but C-130's, and totally ignore buying combat aircraft, and you still would hear people complaining about not having enough transports for disasters................................ Or perhaps you would like to have the IAF usurp Garuda as Indonesia's flag carrier?

 

[ren0312]

Come on 410Cougar , I agree with you that Indonesia should purchase more hercs or any other skytruck. That's why I ask if Indonesia start the production of IPTN again. Ex : CN-235,N-250,or N2130

I do not think it will be a good idea to turn the IAF into Indonesian Airlines.

 

[410Cougar]

Journalists looking for a sensational story will complain. Right wing media types like I will say they made an effort to upgrade something they need right away.

Lets be realistic here - how in this world are 6 Sukhois going to protetct Indonesia from China if they ever decide to attack? They're outmanned, outgunned and from just about every other conceivable viewpoint they're going to lose.

If they spend the money buying Hercs, Skytrucks, whatever, then at least they can deliver what their people need in times of crisis.

The best example I can give to illustrate this point is actually here in Canada.

We ignored our military for 15 years. We didn't buy any Strategic Air Lift, no new Hercs, no new trainers, no heavy lift helicopters. We finally made the decision to a month ago and now we're looking at receiving some by next year.

As a result of our Forces being depleted, we then get lambasted by people wanting to leave Syria as not being able to have resources in place to meet the evacuation needs necessary to move 50,000 people.

We should have bought C-17's 5 years ago when they became available but instead the government decided to put the money elsewhere. We have no response now because nobody bothered to setup something in the past, and now the people, who were probably the same ones who voted for a party whose position is to absolutely dissolve our military, are complaining.

Indonesia would have done alot better to spend the money on transport than on Sukhois. People of all countries deserve the best that their money can afford and at the same time be able to meet the needs of their people as well.

Canada should have done it 5 years ago, Indonesia should do it now.

 

[ren0312]

Journalists looking for a sensational story will complain. Right wing media types like I will say they made an effort to upgrade something they need right away.

Lets be realistic here - how in this world are 6 Sukhois going to protetct Indonesia from China if they ever decide to attack? They're outmanned, outgunned and from just about every other conceivable viewpoint they're going to lose.

If they spend the money buying Hercs, Skytrucks, whatever, then at least they can deliver what their people need in times of crisis.

The best example I can give to illustrate this point is actually here in Canada.

We ignored our military for 15 years. We didn't buy any Strategic Air Lift, no new Hercs, no new trainers, no heavy lift helicopters. We finally made the decision to a month ago and now we're looking at receiving some by next year.

As a result of our Forces being depleted, we then get lambasted by people wanting to leave Syria as not being able to have resources in place to meet the evacuation needs necessary to move 50,000 people.

We should have bought C-17's 5 years ago when they became available but instead the government decided to put the money elsewhere. We have no response now because nobody bothered to setup something in the past, and now the people, who were probably the same ones who voted for a party whose position is to absolutely dissolve our military, are complaining.

Indonesia would have done alot better to spend the money on transport than on Sukhois. People of all countries deserve the best that their money can afford and at the same time be able to meet the needs of their people as well.

Canada should have done it 5 years ago, Indonesia should do it now.

I think Indonesia should try to buy transports but also seriuosly consider buying jet fighter planes, we all have to start somewhere, if everytime Indonesia has some money to buy say 6 planes, and people will always say use that buy transports instead, then Indonesia will never be able to buy fighter aircraft because evrytime it gets some money and plans to buy some fighter planes, people will always oppose it and say buy non combat capable aircraft instead, so at the end of the day, Indonesia will have a lot of transports but not even a single fighter aircraft, and as for 6 planes not being enough to stop China, that does not mean that Indonesia will stop with 6 planes, it will just use these to build up the foundation of a formidable fighter force, since it does not have the money to buy 30 to 50 planes at a times, so it buys only 6 at a time, although granted 1 billion for 6 planes to seem to be expensive, but Indonesia needs to have a balanced force, and not just concentrate on its transport at the detriment of its fighters, you have to start somewhere, and when you put off everytime you have enough money to buy some fighter planes in order to buy C-130's instead, when will you ever have a combat force, in the year 2030?

 

[ren0312]

Journalists looking for a sensational story will complain. Right wing media types like I will say they made an effort to upgrade something they need right away.

Lets be realistic here - how in this world are 6 Sukhois going to protetct Indonesia from China if they ever decide to attack? They're outmanned, outgunned and from just about every other conceivable viewpoint they're going to lose.

If they spend the money buying Hercs, Skytrucks, whatever, then at least they can deliver what their people need in times of crisis.

The best example I can give to illustrate this point is actually here in Canada.

We ignored our military for 15 years. We didn't buy any Strategic Air Lift, no new Hercs, no new trainers, no heavy lift helicopters. We finally made the decision to a month ago and now we're looking at receiving some by next year.

As a result of our Forces being depleted, we then get lambasted by people wanting to leave Syria as not being able to have resources in place to meet the evacuation needs necessary to move 50,000 people.

We should have bought C-17's 5 years ago when they became available but instead the government decided to put the money elsewhere. We have no response now because nobody bothered to setup something in the past, and now the people, who were probably the same ones who voted for a party whose position is to absolutely dissolve our military, are complaining.

Indonesia would have done alot better to spend the money on transport than on Sukhois. People of all countries deserve the best that their money can afford and at the same time be able to meet the needs of their people as well.

Canada should have done it 5 years ago, Indonesia should do it now.

The same goes for Canada, you could theoretically disband your entire air combat forces in order to get as many transports as your heart desires in order to make sure that you can evacuate all of your people when something happens, your may not have an air force left, but at least you have a lot mean looking C-130's and C-17's right? Oh and the upside is you will never suffer from transport shortages ever again.

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

The same goes for Canada, you could theoretically disband your entire air combat forces in order to get as many transports as your heart desires in order to make sure that you can evacuate all of your people when something happens, your may not have an air force left, but at least you have a lot mean looking C-130's and C-17's right? Oh and the upside is you will never suffer from transport shortages ever again.

Still, the TNI should adress it's most urgent issues. There's a pretty low tention level in south east asia at the moment, and i cant see the potential for any conflics in the area for the time being. Any military actions the indonesians are probably going to deal with for the next 5 years are couter terrorist, internal revolt (ache/irian jaya) and humanitarian aid/natural disaster relief, and i dont think those brand new sexy Su 27's are going to be much help. However there is an urgent need for a decent airlift capability with natural disaster happening all the time. We all like combat aircraft cus their sleek and shiny, make a wicked noise and drop things that go boom (personnaly i get a hard on at every avalon air show) but it would be a better investment to buy a few herc's that are going to be used.

 

[marxist_command]

Still, the TNI should adress it's most urgent issues. There's a pretty low tention level in south east asia at the moment, and i cant see the potential for any conflics in the area for the time being. Any military actions the indonesians are probably going to deal with for the next 5 years are couter terrorist, internal revolt (ache/irian jaya) and humanitarian aid/natural disaster relief, and i dont think those brand new sexy Su 27's are going to be much help. However there is an urgent need for a decent airlift capability with natural disaster happening all the time.

yep,you're right. Still, don't forget TNI also in need for more maritime patrol:coffee . especially on Malaka Strait. But I think CN-235 MP should do the job

 

[caksz]

during military exercise with malaysia ( july 2006), they could deploy 10 -
C130H for paradrop (Malaysia only deploy 2) , how many C-130 currently operate by the TNI-AU ?

 

[falcon_snack]

Well there should be around 20 Hercs in 2 sq's but don't think all in "S" status..since US lifted the ban over TNI, the readiness of Hercs is one of the priorities for Air Force. Hard work indeed as half of them was come from 60's era

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys india has offered to train indonesian sukhoi pilots.

here check out this link:

http://www.idrw.org/index.php?categoryid=1&p2_articleid=374

India has offered education and training programs for Indonesian pilots of "Sukhoi" jet fighters and technology transfer. "India is one of our very strategic partners in South Asia and therefore the TNI (Indonesian Defense Forces) will intensify its cooperation with the Indian military in various fields," TNI Commander Marshal Djoko Suyanto said after meeting with Indian ambassador to Indonesia Hemant Krishan Singh here on Wednesday. Besides offering training and education program India has also offered spareparts for the Russian-made jet fighters as well as other military equipment such as modern "Brahmos" missiles that have cruising speed above that of sound. "We are still studying the offer with consideration upon needs and availability of budget. Beside that we still have yet to check the technological sophistication of products produced by the Indian military industry," he said.

 

[kaybee]

during military exercise with malaysia ( july 2006), they could deploy 10 -
C130H for paradrop (Malaysia only deploy 2) , how many C-130 currently operate by the TNI-AU ?

Malaysia drops about a company strength while TNI drops 5X more. So 2 should be enough as we also do not have that many, only around 12.

 

[renjer]

Good effort by Indonesia to get the work done at IAe in Bandung. I have to agree with 410Cougar and some of the others that the C-130 fleet is really where the TNI-AU immediate priority lies.

DATE:12/09/06
SOURCE:Flight International
ST Aero gets Indonesian C-130 work

Indonesia is to award Singapore Technologies Aerospace (ST Aero) a contract to refurbish several of its grounded Lockheed Martin C-130 transport aircraft, according to industry sources.

The Singapore-based maintenance, repair and overhaul company won the competition to refurbish part of Indonesia's grounded Hercules fleet ahead of Malaysia's Airod and France's Sogerma, with the work to be carried out at Indonesian Aerospace's (IAe) Bandung facility.

The Indonesian air force currently operates around six aircraft from its remaining fleet of 19 C-130s, and plans to reactivate as many non-operational aircraft as possible. The service has previously been forced to outsource heavy maintenance work on the aircraft due to limited domestic capability, but its latest competition required that the majority of this work now be done in-country, in collaboration with IAe.

Industry sources say an initial five or six platforms could receive structural upgrades and some new avionics using $15 million in parts that are being acquired from the US government. Another $13 million in foreign military sales funding, frozen from 1994 until Washington lifted its partial arms embargo against Indonesia last November, may also be funnelled into acquiring C-130 parts, they say.

ST Aero late last week declined to confirm its selection, saying it had yet to receive official notification of Indonesia's decision.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/09/12/208938/ST+Aero+gets+Indonesian+C-130+work.html

 

[marxist_command]

Cannibalism in Indon Air force

new information!Despite purchasing new aircraft, Indonesian Air Force (IAF) was known using their grounded aircraft part to maintain capabilities of serviceable plane. I know that they used grounded A-4's pilot helmet for their sukhois. we know that IAF possessed several A-4 but all of them has been grounded because lack of parts. Another things, IAF planned to extend the Airworthiness Duration of their OV-10 bronco at least until 2010.

 

[AMTP10E]

I'm not sure if it is out yet but Australia is gifting Indonesia a couple of million dollars worth of C130 parts. There is also a possibility that some of our Fremantle class patrol boats could also be gifted but that isn't confirmed yet.

 

[icelord]

We are about to start working with the Indonesians on joint patrols of the north to stop illegal fishing. To help maintain security the Indo navy was given upgraded secure radio comms to keep in touch with Customs vessels.

 

[marxist_command]

We are about to start working with the Indonesians on joint patrols of the north to stop illegal fishing. To help maintain security the Indo navy was given upgraded secure radio comms to keep in touch with Customs vessels.

Wow, that's nice. but illegal fisher from Indonesia or Australia? and where will they patrol?