Lightest Combat Aircraft

XEROX

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

ajay_ijn, Rumour has it there is going to be a major announcment regarding the LCH at Aero India 05, possibly an anouncment regarding a partnership, Israel comes to mind???
 

arjun

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

look like all ok with projects but they just said world need proof. so when world will see and belive when india will prove it. by finishing all this projects at list basic like kaveri, lca,lch and mca and arjun lighter version. at list india need to prove basic things. and make world class military hard wear for own military and for third world
 

aaaditya

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

actually cat is to be an uprated variant(twin engined,larger with combat capbility) of the hjt-36 intermediate jet trainer currently undergoing tests,the cat is to be powered by the russian al-55 engines(these engines are to be developed in a joint partnership with india they were selected over the uprated french larzac engines which currently power the hjt-36).the al-55 will also power the production variant of hjt-36,the cat will have digital cockpit and all composite structure the avionics are most likely to be either french or israeli(most probably israeli since india already has a contract with israel for the joint development of an entire range of airborne elecronic systems including radars and self defence systems for lca,dhruv and lch).
 

Rolex

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

SABRE said:
Come on now. India got almost every thing on LCA from France (Dessault Aviation) but later they decide to go for Russian engines. This is foolishness. Indians should have gone for French Engines. Russian engines dont suit Indian technologies. Look what happened with Arjun, u put Gas Tribun engine & it dint work cause it was for cold/snowy regions like that of Russian & Look where Pakistan's Al-Khalid is, already exporting. They went for Ukrainian Diesal engine made specialy for Hot/Desert regions. Than u go for German Engines & start having weight problems. If India doesnt go for Engines from Europe before 2k7,LCA will be doomed.
French engines smiliar to that of Mirage 111 & 1V r good options.
If IAF needed a Russian engine they should have layed the entire project in front of Russia's Sukhio or Mikayoun Guruwich (MiG) rather than France's Dessault Aviation.
Russian Engine for LCA????? Can you give a source for that... The Kaveri engine is totally indigenous., Russians are helping with the testing coz India does not have high alt test facilities....
Everything on LCA from France??? I can only laugh at that...
If you are serious please give a source...
 

aaaditya

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

well lca's radar and electronics (self defense suite) will be israeli that is confirmed, hal entered into an agreement with israel for this purpose,the engine as of now is american(most likely in the future too)the flight control software was developed with us assistance(martin marietta) and tested on the lockheed martin f-16vista,initialy the avionics were french(topflight) they were replaced by the israeli ones,the hud and jet starter indigenous.dassault was supposed to be the initial consultant.so the french influence is limited only to design consultation and avionics and the russian only limited to testing of the engines.
 

ajay_ijn

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

Come on now. India got almost every thing on LCA from France (Dessault Aviation) but later they decide to go for Russian engines. This is foolishness. Indians should have gone for French Engines. Russian engines dont suit Indian technologies. Look what happened with Arjun, u put Gas Tribun engine & it dint work cause it was for cold/snowy regions like that of Russian & Look where Pakistan's Al-Khalid is, already exporting. They went for Ukrainian Diesal engine made specialy for Hot/Desert regions. Than u go for German Engines & start having weight problems. If India doesnt go for Engines from Europe before 2k7,LCA will be doomed.
French engines smiliar to that of Mirage 111 & 1V r good options.
If IAF needed a Russian engine they should have layed the entire project in front of Russia's Sukhio or Mikayoun Guruwich (MiG) rather than France's Dessault Aviation.
Come on now. India got almost every thing on LCA from France
Wow,Great Discovery Sabre.I never knew that.Can u give a source for that.
People say it is an ADA project,may be they don't know the truth :D :D

is foolishness. Indians should have gone for French Engines. Russian engines dont suit Indian technologies.
I don't know where from france came in between.
Do u think India does not have common sense for buying some reliable foreign engine.Instead of LCA,India could happily buy some other cheap and effective Mig-29.
They want to achieve something called Self-reliance.
For how many years will India continue to depend on Foreign tech.There must be some stage where India must be able to produce its own Engines.
That is why even though Kaveri is facing teething problems,GRTE is struggling to complete the project.Its a Big Test for India.
LCA is powered by US GE-F404 engine till i know and initial planes are to being fitted with engine if Kaveri is delayed.

like that of Russian & Look where Pakistan's Al-Khalid is, already exporting
By the to which country (other than iraq i think) Al-Khalids are exported.
How much of indigenous equipment is in Al-Khalid.

If India doesnt go for Engines from Europe before 2k7,LCA will be doomed.
Oh man what a conclusion,:D :D
u should provide strong arguments and sources before u come to a conclusion
or u better write is as "In my opinion" or "I think",so that we can understand its only your opinion or assumption.

If IAF needed a Russian engine they should have layed the entire project in front of Russia's Sukhio or Mikayoun Guruwich (MiG) rather than France's Dessault Aviation.
Why lay entire project better buy some Russian Aircraft Itself.
 

srirangan

Banned Member
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To further that, new versions' prototypes were displayed and flown over the last week.
 

ajay_ijn

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

Someother news on LCA.

1.Airforce will procure 20 LCA's with option of other 20.
2.The first sqn of LCA will be powered by US engines.
3.Kaveri Engine will be fitted to LCA in 2006 or 2007 for tests and will be operational by 2010.
3.LCA will become operational by 2008 and sqn strenght by 2011.
4.Astra Missile Trials this year which is to arm LCA.
5. 2nd Prototype will fly by feb or mar, PV-5 by oct,PV-6 by feb 2006,PV-7 by Mar 2006.
6.HAL Will develop lead in fighter jet,a trimmed version of LCA which can be a fighter and as well as trainer.

other news
7.HAL will develop Combat Air Trainer which is to replace Hawk AJT and also an Attack Helicopter LCH.
8.HAL is working on Long Range high altitude UAV.
9.HAL Signed deal with Embraier for 3 EMB-145 Jets which are platform for AWACS which will be out by 2011.
10.HAL Signed deal with LockHeed for Tech Transfer of P-3.
11.BDL and MBDA to jointly produce and export MilanER ATGM.
12.Army Buys 12 Nishant UAVs.
13.Navy signs deal with Rafael for 20 Derby AAM for Harriers.
14.Lockheed offers P-3,C-130,F-16.
15.Boeing offers Ch-47,F-18,C-17.

Source for most of the news is
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/
if u don't find their,Google would help u.
 

tml_mvs

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A Clarification Please

Hi all,

I'm almost new to this forum... I'd be more intereseted in how the damages to composites could be repaired . Can anyone please explain how ???

Thanx
 

aaaditya

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

hey guys there is an article posted in the protonriver forum which clearly mentions the various stages of the lca programme till now the problems encountered and their solution ,it has been clearly mention d that lca will have the elbit dash helmet monted sight i would like to know how it compares to the other similiar helmet mounted sights.:coffee
 

adsH

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

ajay_ijn said:
9.HAL Signed deal with Embraier for 3 EMB-145 Jets which are platform for AWACS which will be out by 2011.

10.HAL Signed deal with LockHeed for Tech Transfer of P-3.

14.Lockheed offers P-3,C-130,F-16.


Source for most of the news is
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/
if u don't find their,Google would help u.
IS it s just me or would someone here like to see some real sources. And is the Line 10 contradicting Line 14, has the P-3c deal been signed (last i heard India was interested in P-8), and the P-3 may be made in India but i doubt they will hand over the Source codes for the Systems so its not going to be a TOT. the US had a hard time Selling the Source codes to UAE for the CustomiZed F-16 Block 60, even when they were Pay 100 mill $ per-piece that is a collative order of 8 billion dollar. The US and for that matter any supplier would not hand over everything so the buyer (india) which usually has an internal Infrastructure can go on and augment an equally capable variant sell the tech onn to unfriendly Countries.
 

srirangan

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

adsH said:
IS it s just me or would someone here like to see some real sources. And is the Line 10 contradicting Line 14, has the P-3c deal been signed (last i heard India was interested in P-8), and the P-3 may be made in India but i doubt they will hand over the Source codes for the Systems so its not going to be a TOT. the US had a hard time Selling the Source codes to UAE for the CustomiZed F-16 Block 60, even when they were Pay 100 mill $ per-piece that is a collative order of 8 billion dollar. The US and for that matter any supplier would not hand over everything so the buyer (india) which usually has an internal Infrastructure can go on and augment an equally capable variant sell the tech onn to unfriendly Countries.
BR's orbat's and specs are pretty reliable mate.
 

adsH

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srirangan said:
BR's orbat's and specs are pretty reliable mate.
really !! Its just that i haven't heard of an agreement Aka Deal between the US and India concering P3c, could you tell me when did it happen. at-least tell me that the congress was notified of such a deal. this should of been out in the media!! Got to look up on foreign sales.
 

SABRE

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Sri, adsH. Most of the BR's informations about Indian defence are correct. They even try to avoid bias but some times they too go on quoting the Indians media.
 

srirangan

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SABRE,

The media in India maybe sensationalist and profit oriented. They even are extremely commercialized, but I refuse to believe that it is biased. Indian media is one of the free'est in the world.

No news can be suppressed by no one, no matter how damaging it is to the Govt itself. This is why you hear so much about India/
 

adsH

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

srirangan said:
SABRE,

The media in India maybe sensationalist and profit oriented. They even are extremely commercialized, but I refuse to believe that it is biased. Indian media is one of the free'est in the world.

No news can be suppressed by no one, no matter how damaging it is to the Govt itself. This is why you hear so much about India/

P3 deal hasn't been signed, you need Quality control. for these issues. a P3 deal is not just trivial Deal, its a deal that will affect the Indian Armed forces for along time, they need to make the decision in there own time. last i heard they were interested in the P8 Boeing's new maritime recon AC. i really don't see IN going for any of these P3 unless the coast guard is a separate entity that has signed for a separate deal.
 

aaaditya

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Re: Lightest Combat Aircraft!

latest is that india is considering a maritime variant of falcon 900ex as an interim measure.(source bharat rakshak,protonriver):coffee
 
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