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Sq No.15

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

Well ,

Before very first , one is always fall , but aftre that you start running.......

Well this engine will give all the basic details about engine and also let them know where they fails, they might made new version ,, more advance then this.
 
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arjun

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lca is not going any where it will must come late but it will as india bring all capability out now defence is growing and lca and kaveri r proud projects for india so no matter how it will come out but it will may be kaveri engine come out late but once india will make it ways r clear the engine r basic thing for any military hardware where there it is tank, jetplane, helicopter or friget or aircraftcarrier so india must need it and as like arjun it will come out dont matter how long it will take just india need :help and real friend in defence sector who can :help india as like true friend i think it can be russia or usa just the thing is who come to hold india's hand first as a true friend :help
 
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HP1982

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

This is from the MOD GOI annual report 2003-2004

PROGRESS MADE IN R & D PROGRAMMES
page 101

8.11 The Kaveri engine for the Tejas is undergoing development trials. As on date two Kabini prototypes (C1, C2) and five Kaveri engine prototypes (K1 to K5) have been built for engine testing apart from various modules and components manufactured for their testing in the rigs to assess their aerodynamic and structural integrity performance. Kaveri engine has undergone development test of more than 1300 hours. K5 engine of Kaveri has successfully completed phase I & II of high altitude testing at M/s CIAM,Russia. K9 engine is presently under testing at GTRE, with an aim to integrate it with LCA ahead of post-production clearance.


http://mod.nic.in/reports/MOD-English2004.p,d,f(replace p,d,f withpdf)
 
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Rolex

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

I was in GTRE this jan, feb doing my final year project. Great complex., There is a K10 which will be the one finally in LCA., I was in ABES dept(afterburner and exhaust systems)., Was really great to hear the roar atleast twice a day., Our dept, they were assessing performances of diff types of flame holders that were designed... My team was never let to see the engine, but we were in the ABES test rig., There were some 6 GE-F404s undergoing preliminary tests.,
 
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Rolex

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As Santpaul said it is better for fuel coz for such small a/c, an acceptable range is required., Plus Delta wings perform better in transonic and supersonic speeds., Note it is a double delta with the first delta having a wider angle which is not very common(except for viggen), that is supposed to give a better subsonic performance., One disadvantage is that the delta winged aircrafts will have higher angle of attack during take off and landing, disrupting the pilot's view of the runway(especially while landing)., Thats why it is taking a longer time for the naval version of LCA to come out., ADA is trying to droop the nose down a little for better vision in carrier landing..
 
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arjun

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kaveri jet engine news

any one have any idea what happen after kaveri fail in russia what they r going to do about it? any one have news now what is future of kaveri and mca and lca engine
 
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Rolex

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

2007 is the cut off date... The project would be declared a failure if GTRE is not finishing it by 2007...
 
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ajay_ijn

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2007 is the cut off date... The project would be declared a failure if GTRE is not finishing it by 2007...
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So what will they do if project is declared failure,will they continue with US engines and get some new russian engine.
 
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Rolex

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No idea., My guide told me that the set backs were minor and were confident of finishing it by 2007... But, in my view, even if they dont come up with the engine by 2007, the date would be extended...
 
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arjun

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

how it is fail when we have support of russia? i dont think it is fail just because india's politics because who r deling in defence they r geting to much money in foregin thinngs like bofors sukhoi t-90 and what ever even in small bullet so they want every thing from other country so they can grab money in all deals if india will devlop kaveri we dont need to buy from foregine country and they will not get any chance to grab money so they r trying to dump all big and really good projects the shit money graber how dont even care about defence of country
 
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Come on now. India got almost every thing on LCA from France (Dessault Aviation) but later they decide to go for Russian engines. This is foolishness. Indians should have gone for French Engines. Russian engines dont suit Indian technologies. Look what happened with Arjun, u put Gas Tribun engine & it dint work cause it was for cold/snowy regions like that of Russian & Look where Pakistan's Al-Khalid is, already exporting. They went for Ukrainian Diesal engine made specialy for Hot/Desert regions. Than u go for German Engines & start having weight problems. If India doesnt go for Engines from Europe before 2k7,LCA will be doomed.
French engines smiliar to that of Mirage 111 & 1V r good options.
If IAF needed a Russian engine they should have layed the entire project in front of Russia's Sukhio or Mikayoun Guruwich (MiG) rather than France's Dessault Aviation.
 
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arjun

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SABRE said:
Come on now. India got almost every thing on LCA from France (Dessault Aviation) but later they decide to go for Russian engines. This is foolishness. Indians should have gone for French Engines. Russian engines dont suit Indian technologies. Look what happened with Arjun, u put Gas Tribun engine & it dint work cause it was for cold/snowy regions like that of Russian & Look where Pakistan's Al-Khalid is, already exporting. They went for Ukrainian Diesal engine made specialy for Hot/Desert regions. Than u go for German Engines & start having weight problems. If India doesnt go for Engines from Europe before 2k7,LCA will be doomed.
French engines smiliar to that of Mirage 111 & 1V r good options.
If IAF needed a Russian engine they should have layed the entire project in front of Russia's Sukhio or Mikayoun Guruwich (MiG) rather than France's Dessault Aviation.
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sorry but u r not india's defence advicer and who r devloping they know batter then u what they r devloping
 
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mysterious

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Re: LCA Engine test fails in Moscow

I think they didn't know better thats why Arjun-1 failed and as is the case, LCA is hampered with problems. Sabre is right in what he pointed out.
 
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India sets out fighter jet plans

Russia's MiG-29 could be one of the targeted fighters
India has begun the process of buying 125 new fighter aircraft, a senior air force official has said.
Vice Chief of Air Staff SK Malik said in the southern Indian city of Bangalore on Wednesday that all options were open.

"We will go global. Perhaps F-16s will be there. Swedish Grippen, Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 will be there," he said.

The air force modernisation plan will replace its fleet of ageing and often unreliable Russian MiG-21s.


Two-year schedule

Air Marshal Malik was speaking at the annual conference of the Indian Society of Aerospace Medicine.

"We have not short-listed any aircraft nor discounted any," he said.

Air Marshal Malik said the initial process of identifying the required aircraft would take about two years.


what do u think all now is india still looking at lca when iaf is planned to buy fightrs to replace mig 21 then what is the use of lca may be india can devlop lca to sold lca to third world
 
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arjun

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India sets out fighter jet plans

Russia's MiG-29 could be one of the targeted fighters
India has begun the process of buying 125 new fighter aircraft, a senior air force official has said.
Vice Chief of Air Staff SK Malik said in the southern Indian city of Bangalore on Wednesday that all options were open.

"We will go global. Perhaps F-16s will be there. Swedish Grippen, Mirage 2000 and MiG-29 will be there," he said.

The air force modernisation plan will replace its fleet of ageing and often unreliable Russian MiG-21s.


Two-year schedule

Air Marshal Malik was speaking at the annual conference of the Indian Society of Aerospace Medicine.

"We have not short-listed any aircraft nor discounted any," he said.

Air Marshal Malik said the initial process of identifying the required aircraft would take about two years.
 
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Air Force to induct Tejas by mid-2008[/font]Ashok Bagariya

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ahmedabad, January 4:[/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Aeronautical Development Agency has announced a programme to induct tejas, a state-of-the-art multirole supersonic aircraft, in the Air Force by mid-2008. It took the ADA, an autonomous body under the Ministry of Defence, 20 years and Rs 5,400 crore to design and develop Tejas. ADA Deputy Director Rajeev Shrivastava, who is taking part in the 92nd Indian Science Congress, said: ‘‘We will be ready by mid-2008 to induct eight light combat Tejas in the Air Force. One of these will be a twin-seater trainer version, while seven others will be sing-seater fighters.’’

The first Tejas is expected to be delivered to the IAF by mid-2007, he said, adding, ‘‘The ADA has also started work on developing Naval variants of the LCA, N1 and N2.’’ This LCA programme, which was undertaken to bridge the technological gap left after India rolled out the Marut series of fighters in 1963, had in recent past come under fire because of delay in completion of the project and failure of its Kaveri engine to power the plane.

Talking about Tejas, Shrivastava said, ‘‘Tejas is to replace the MIG-21 fleet, which is developing technical snags. The aircraft is the best in its class of fighter planes and in the 10-tonne weight category, it faces competition only from two aircraft — one from Sweden and another from China. Still, with features like the high agility and manouverability, day and night mission and 4-tonne weapon load capacity, there is no other plane in the world like it. With its induction, the IAF squadrons will be strengthened.’’ ‘‘The ADA had undertaken the development of the LCA in two phases and has successfully demonstrated error-free trials of the plane. In trials, the plane has flown at supersonic speeds for 321 hours and functions as designed. This has boosted our morale. We have even started working on the naval variants which will be placed on the aircraft carrier Admiral Groshkow and on the indegeniously developed aircraft carrier, on which work is presently going on.’’ http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=112814[/font]
 
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ajay_ijn

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News about LCA.
LCA naval variant under development
http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=010540
India developing more light combat aircraft prototypes
http://athens-olympics-2004.newkerala.com/?action=fullnews&id=54857
HAL to build combat trainer jet
http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?action=fullnews&id=48717
CCS approves revised budget for Kaveri project
http://www.webindia123.com/news/m_details.asp?newscode=86477&catcode=ENG3&subcatcode=


"The first phase concentrated on two models of Tejas, TD1 and TD2, and on building their prototypes, PV1 and PV2," he said.
"In the ongoing second phase, we will develop three more prototypes, PV3, PV4 and PV5."
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Delivering a lecture on ‘Design and Development of Tejas’, Mr Srivastava said: “Encouraged by LCA’s success we are now developing it’s naval variant to address to the needs of Indian Navy.â€
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India's state-run aviation major Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) plans to design and develop a combat trainer jet for the Indian Air Force (IAF).
The proposed twin-engine jet trainer with enhanced capability is expected to replace the 66 British-made Hawk advanced jet trainers (AJT) being acquired by IAF in two phases between 2007-12.
"We are in discussions with IAF for designing and developing the combat air trainer (CAT) as there will be a requirement for an aircraft that will be more advanced than the Hawk," HAL chairman Ashok K. Baweja said here Saturday.
The CAT will have large wings and fuselage and a hi-tech cockpit for enhanced training capability.
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The Cabinet today accorded approval to an enhanced Rs 2,800 crore budget for developing the ambitious Kaveri engine for the Light Combat Aircraft project.
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What changes might be in LCA's new protototypes?
Regarding the CAT(Combat Jet Trainer),I think HAL is moving too fast.IAF did not even completely induct Hawk AJT and now itself India is thinking of replacement of Hawk.
LCA has completed 300hrs(approx) Hours of flight,it needs to complete 2000 hours for Initial operation clearance.
Many told that LCA will not clear IOC before 2010.But now news came out that LCA will be inducted in 2008.

In the article of CAT,Something about LCH (Attack variant of ALH) is being given.
Outlining his priorities and programmes, Baweja said HAL would embark on developing the light combat helicopter (LCH), which will be an advanced version of the present advanced light helicopter Dhruv that is already under production.

"The defence services have expressed keen interest in the LCH project. Discussions are at an advanced stage and LCH is meant to replace the existing fleet of Chetak and Cheetah helicopters used by the IAF, army and navy," Baweja said.
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I read somewhere HAL promised IAF to unveal atleast one prototype of LCH in Aero India 2005.
 
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