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SABRE

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I ve herd that USA is developing Saber-2 which also happens to be one man flyer like JF-17. The Saber-2 plans r those that USA planned for FC-1 with China b4 breaking away from the project. So this Jet is also very much like the JF-17.

I wounder why USA needs such Jets when they ve got F/A-22 project just completed.
 
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Grumpy Old Man
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

The Sabre 2 is a 1950-60's RCAF version of the USAF F-86E.
It can also refer to the first of the century fighters and is one of the names given to the F-100 super sabre.

I think you might have some crossed info. The USAF has already defined it's future hi-lo mix.
 
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SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

some one from this link gave me this info long time ago.

R u sure that Saber-2 is the 1950's-60's version. I think they were saber-1
 
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

saber said:
some one from this link gave me this info long time ago.

R u sure that Saber-2 is the 1950's-60's version. I think they were saber-1
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JF-17 was Super saber or something along time ago before the US Left the Project.
 
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

saber said:
some one from this link gave me this info long time ago.

R u sure that Saber-2 is the 1950's-60's version. I think they were saber-1
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The RCAF versions were called Sabre 2's
 
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Aussie Digger

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

It will be a long, long time before anything surpasses the F/A-22 in pure air to air combat. The F/A-22 has had so much research and development that it will take decades for anyone to be able to surpass it, even the US.
 
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Aussie Digger said:
It will be a long, long time before anything surpasses the F/A-22 in pure air to air combat. The F/A-22 has had so much research and development that it will take decades for anyone to be able to surpass it, even the US.
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F/A-22 Has a combination of Research partners it has the advantage of being Laced with the best R&D that the MOst Advance nation on earth has to offer!!. with the exception of EF2000, I still can't see any other AC SUrpassing that, YOu've got to admit the EF2000 is one of the top AC the EF2000 would be the FA-22 of Europe !!!
 
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Pathfinder-X

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Re: an article about FC-1 scanned from a chinese magazine

dude can u translate it to english?? in case u didn't notice very few ppl on this forum can read chinese, and personally my chinese is very rusty, haven't study it in 9 years.
 
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Pathfinder-X

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WebMaster said:
So your chinese?

Solid, any english translation available for this article?

Thanks!
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ya im chinese. i can translate this thing but it'll take me ages cuz my rusty chinese reading skills
 
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Pathfinder-X said:
WebMaster said:
So your chinese?

Solid, any english translation available for this article?

Thanks!
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ya im chinese. i can translate this thing but it'll take me ages cuz my rusty chinese reading skills
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Same thing happend when i attempted to read and translate an article from Urdu (which i found hardly worth translating as most of the articles comes with Part English translation) lol ie..... i know what you mean PathFinder!!! GOOD LUCK WITH THE TRANSLATION!!!
 
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solid

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Re: an article about FC-1 scanned from a chinese magazine

hehehe .....Pathfinder-X. your chinese reading skill is rusty, and my english expressing ability is aslo very poor. I will try to translate some key informations later. This article mentioned some weakness of FC-1's prototype.
 
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Re: an article about FC-1 scanned from a chinese magazine

solid said:
hehehe .....Pathfinder-X. your chinese reading skill is rusty, and my english expressing ability is aslo very poor. I will try to translate some key informations later. This article mentioned some weakness of FC-1's prototype.
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YOu now have my UNdivided attention !!!
:D

I really wan't to know what its Weakness are!!! :mad
 
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solid

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Re: an article about FC-1 scanned from a chinese magazine

1. the pilot's eyeshot(visual field) is similar to J-7, can't compare with F16 and F15, for the fc1's pilot only has his head coverd by glass cockpit and f16 or f15's pilot has almost 1/3 of body coverd by bubble canopy. It's hard to believe this kind of thing happened in a fighter. For this reason, pilot can't get enough SA(situation awareness) in combat(esp when he have to dogfight).
 
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solid

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Re: an article about FC-1 scanned from a chinese magazine

2.why did the designer decide to use computerised digital fly-by-wire (FBW) system after the detailed design was completed. The writer has doubts about the efficiency of FC-1's FCS(fly control system).
 
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solid

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Re: an article about FC-1 scanned from a chinese magazine

3. Internal Fuel Weight / (Internal Fuel Weight+Empty Weight)
=2268KG / (2268KG+6411KG) = 0.26
this low value of fuel/(fuel+empty) ratio limit the FC-1's range.
reference: the value of this ratio of early type mig29 is 0.27, and its range
with max internal fuel is 1700km.
 
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