yutong chen
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JF-17 is better, F16 is too old.
JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions
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yutong chen said:
Yutong wiyh all do respect F-16 have variants like the the 4th gen F-16u sold to UAE i doubt any Arab Country Including Israel has anything that comes close to the hightech sophistication that those $100 mill customized AC demonstrate if you compare the Pak F-16 Yeass the Block 15 are old but when Pak gets them upgraded with mLU to block 20 they will be orignal Block 50 spec makeing them alot more advance then the JF-17 the UAE has bought the best F-16 they have bought the Block 60 specially designed for UAE. not even the USAF has some/alot of the stuff on those 80 F-16u.
yutong chen said:
You're making claims about an aircraft that is untested, does not have a long development history and has a different mission profile.
To be blunt, give me the F16 with Israeli developed electronics over an untested airframe any day.
Thats not to say that the 17 is ineffective, but it does not have the development cycle, and certainly does not have the same flight characteristics of the F-16I.
The F-16 is far from being too old, to ignore the generational development and capability is clear folly.
gf0012 said:
Traditionally i would accept the Israeli F16i being the best but i have to acknowledge the Fact that the F-16u the UAE 80 batch Block 60 are alot more advance !!! GF come mate those poor soles payed 100 mill a piece
Israelis have realy good EW suite i personally like israeli equipment they make some realy nice kit!!!
adsH said:
The Israelis edge is their weasel suite, something that the US has yet to develop as their viper platform requirements are different. The UAE 16's don't have access to the Israeli onboard protection suites (naturally). They may be the better non israeli export, but they aren't the better non US solution.
I'd argue that the Israeli F-16's are the best autonomous units available.
gf0012 said:
See Gf the thing that realy makes me wonder is why on earth did UAe pay so much for F-16 when they could of had any other AC like the Rafe from french the EF2000 from us, that have a clear edge over the Primitive F-16 design. certainly the Rafe from the french would of been a choice for the UAE as they operate a large Group of Mirage 2000-9 and have french logistics set up there.
gf0012 said:
GF who are we trying to "Fool" here everyone knows Israelis have access to all sort of US made Protection suites they would naturally have an edge over the US made suites They Practically know what to expect from the Opposing F-16 while on the other hand the US or the USAF has no idea what the Israelis use on bord there AC (apparently the Israelis don't even let the USAF see what use) thts the reason why i think the Saudis never opted for any more American AC that reason plus the reson Saudi is not usually allowed to Buy the top equipment and the top equipment they get is Usually down graded at horrendous prices. they are better off buying equipments from us we are alot more straight forward and forth comming when it comes to Handing over technology for Money like the Tornados.
Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
Block 15 are Old that is what pakistan has
the Belgium F-16 MLU blocks are the same AC as Pak but they have been updated they have all the new stuff that is found on the New F-16. An F-16 is alot more Maneuverable and has proven its self in Battle so you will have to wait and see what the JF-17 will do.
saber said:
Block 15 are Old that is what pakistan has
the Belgium F-16 MLU blocks are the same AC as Pak but they have been updated they have all the new stuff that is found on the New F-16. An F-16 is alot more Maneuverable and has proven its self in Battle so you will have to wait and see what the JF-17 will do.
mysterious
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
Interesting interview there. I think JF-17 would prove to be a huge success if everything goes along nicely 'n' smoothly. I would be glad if Gf read the interview and posted his view on the issue. :smokingc:
Interesting interview there. I think JF-17 would prove to be a huge success if everything goes along nicely 'n' smoothly. I would be glad if Gf read the interview and posted his view on the issue. :smokingc:
Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
The GC doesn't give too much away. I still think that Pakistans single largest vulnerability is in forward control of its offensive assets. AWACs is a critical link in the ability to anticipate and reduce fluid exposure issues.
The aircraft mix is capable, and I wouldn't dismiss the lethality of PAF Mirage ROSES or F-16's against non vectored enemy aircraft.
The issue of LR sight and it's associated vectoring capability is the very thing that can cause an imbalance. In real terms, PAF movements can be seen without leaving national borders, and that changes the matrix. It's a variation of the OTHR system, but in a fluid package.
Eyrie and data linked assets becomes the priority. If you can't get AWACs then maybe you should be getting your chinese mates to provide you with surface wave radar etc...
The GC doesn't give too much away. I still think that Pakistans single largest vulnerability is in forward control of its offensive assets. AWACs is a critical link in the ability to anticipate and reduce fluid exposure issues.
The aircraft mix is capable, and I wouldn't dismiss the lethality of PAF Mirage ROSES or F-16's against non vectored enemy aircraft.
The issue of LR sight and it's associated vectoring capability is the very thing that can cause an imbalance. In real terms, PAF movements can be seen without leaving national borders, and that changes the matrix. It's a variation of the OTHR system, but in a fluid package.
Eyrie and data linked assets becomes the priority. If you can't get AWACs then maybe you should be getting your chinese mates to provide you with surface wave radar etc...
mysterious
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
Yup! Thats what'll have to be done if we dont get the ERIEYE from the Swedes!! :smokingc:
Yup! Thats what'll have to be done if we dont get the ERIEYE from the Swedes!! :smokingc:
Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
WOW WO WAH!! PAF is geting An AWAC !! it's like when a Kid gets a new toy on the Block every kid wants one and some of them can't get one, but some of them want its so bad that they would do anything to get one i think PAF will end up getting one even if its not the best one!!
mysterious said:
WOW WO WAH!! PAF is geting An AWAC !! it's like when a Kid gets a new toy on the Block every kid wants one and some of them can't get one, but some of them want its so bad that they would do anything to get one i think PAF will end up getting one even if its not the best one!!
mysterious
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
Bad example adsh! You cant compare Indo-Pak scenario with 'that'!! And yeah, dont worry, we will get an AWACS one way or the other! :smokingc:
Bad example adsh! You cant compare Indo-Pak scenario with 'that'!! And yeah, dont worry, we will get an AWACS one way or the other! :smokingc:
saber said:
No not at the moment i think Pak is still waiting for the decsion the US has to make lets see if June 30th, we get a response it sounds like an exchange that when the Iraqi governing council gains power the UN comes inn along with its peace keeping Troops (they could be Pakistani) and the pakistani decsion is anounced i can bet Pakistan has two Part shoping list if this happens then this is our list A and if that happens this is our list B, /// chose either one of them dependent on the US decision.
Decision A Go for American EQt all of it!!!(if permited..
Decsion B Go for French and european Eqt all of it!! (guaranteed but expensive!!
mysterious
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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17
Pakistan is moreover waiting for the november US elections because it doesnt want to take any chances. The Pakistanis are playing with the US this time like the US has done on earlier occasions. :smokingc:
Pakistan is moreover waiting for the november US elections because it doesnt want to take any chances. The Pakistanis are playing with the US this time like the US has done on earlier occasions. :smokingc:
since we r talking about Pak troops being sent to iraq, in this contex i ve also herd that if Pak troops r sent there PAF will get its bedge of F-16. Since block 15 are no longer in production PAk might get better versions. In an other new about 5 months ago I herd on GEO news that USA is considering to give Pak its F-16s at the end of this year (B4 US elections).
I think if Pak does send its army o Iraq PAk will be viwing more military equipments than just the F-16.
USA is also willing to sale its F-15s during 2008 period as they would be replaced by FA-22. It would be great if Pak some how gets a deal on F-15s.
Imagine F-16 in he lead with F-15 as wing fighter & JF-17 wing fighter to the F-15. Highly unlikely but PAK should try for it.
I think if Pak does send its army o Iraq PAk will be viwing more military equipments than just the F-16.
USA is also willing to sale its F-15s during 2008 period as they would be replaced by FA-22. It would be great if Pak some how gets a deal on F-15s.
Imagine F-16 in he lead with F-15 as wing fighter & JF-17 wing fighter to the F-15. Highly unlikely but PAK should try for it.