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Indian Navy Discussions and Updates
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Redlands18
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India has announced the 4 contenders for the P-75I program
Barracuda DE(based on the Attack design) from France
DSME-3000 from ROK
S-80 plus from Spain
Amur class from Russia
Will be interesting to see what France includes in the Barracuda DE, the Picture is showing a Pump Jet, not that really means anything.
Barracuda DE(based on the Attack design) from France
DSME-3000 from ROK
S-80 plus from Spain
Amur class from Russia
Will be interesting to see what France includes in the Barracuda DE, the Picture is showing a Pump Jet, not that really means anything.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
Interesting they (Frenchie) seems on surface basically going to offer similar program with Australia to India. Indian online and forums however very sure that with what happens to Frenchie - Aussies deal fall out due to AUKUS, Frenchie will help integrating Indian Nuclear Reactor to Baracuda based Submarine instead.
They're claiming that there're now discussion with Indian for using French tech to improve Indian home grown Nuclear Reactor if India choose Barakuda based Submarine. Off course it's all just Indian online 'rumours' for this time around. However it's getting stronger, and based on what happens with AUKUS development, perhaps it can't be ruled out entirely.
After all Frenchie already done similar deal with Brazil for SSN based Scorpene.
Adioz
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These internet rumours make absolutely zero sense. French use a LEU reactor whereas Indian reactors are HEU. If anything, French might offer pumpjet and IEP, which would be enough help. Reactor is one place we can be certain India is not expecting help from the French in. Using Barracuda as base design for Indian SSN is also not feasible because Indian SSN are meant to be double-hulled whereas Barracuda is single-hulled.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
MDL Delivers "Visakhapatnam" - First P15B Destroyer to Indian Navy - Naval News
Indian shipbuilder Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) delivered the first P15B Guided Missile Destroyer (DDG) to the Indian Navy on 28 October 2021 in Mumbai.
www.navalnews.com
Couple days old news on Indian Navy P15B destroyer. Similar dimension toward PLAN Type 52D destroyer. Seems India opted less VLS toward Chinese destroyer (32 v 64), however with 16 Brahmos seperately. While PLAN Type 52D seems using some of its VLS for SSM/Cruise Missile.
All in all seems still similar punching capabilities betweem both destroyers. I suspect back to the performance of sensors.
Sandhi Yudha
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The armament is basically quite the same with the Kolkata Project 15A class.MDL Delivers "Visakhapatnam" - First P15B Destroyer to Indian Navy - Naval News
Indian shipbuilder Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) delivered the first P15B Guided Missile Destroyer (DDG) to the Indian Navy on 28 October 2021 in Mumbai.
Couple days old news on Indian Navy P15B destroyer. Similar dimension toward PLAN Type 52D destroyer. Seems India opted less VLS toward Chinese destroyer (32 v 64), however with 16 Brahmos seperately. While PLAN Type 52D seems using some of its VLS for SSM/Cruise Missile.
All in all seems still similar punching capabilities betweem both destroyers. I suspect back to the performance of sensors.
|"Enhanced stealth features have been achieved through shaping of hull and use of radar transparent deck fittings which make these ships difficult to detect."|
It is actually much less stealthy than older designs like De Zeven Provinciën, Horizon, Project 22350 and Type 45 classes.
Ananda
The Bunker Group
It's basically modified P15A Destroyer, and the basic design coming from more or less similar era. I do suspect more changes on the design to make it much more stealthy required new design work altogether. That will be huge undertaking on term of Yards work and logistics effort.
Perhaps India after P15B will go to brand new design. I suspect they still see basic P15 design still good enough for this time. After all USN still working on from basic Destroyer design that close to four decades old.
1. On 21 Nov 2021, the Indian Navy commissioned its tenth destroyer, the 7,400-tonne Indian Navy Ship (INS) Visakhapatnam.
2. The Quad is important but India is much more than that. Representing the Indian Navy at Exercise Malabar 2021 is Shivalik-class multi-role frigate INS Shivalik (F 47), and Kamorta-class anti-submarine warfare corvette INS Kadmatt (P 29).
3. This is the Indian Navy at a mini-lateral with Thailand and Singapore — more importantly, it’s the 3rd edition of the Singapore-India-Thailand Maritime Exercise (SITMEX). This trilateral exercise involved the RSN Formidable class frigate, RSS Tenacious, the IN Kora class corvette, INS Karmuk, and the RTN Khamronsin-class corvette, HTMS Thayanchon.
(a) This is the lead vessel in a new class of four guided missile destroyers that Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai is building under Project 15B. The destroyer has a complement of 315. Its first commanding officer will be Captain Birendra Singh Bains.
(b) India builds 3-to-4 warships in a class (there are just 4 destroyers in the Visakhapatnam class), China will have built about 25 Luyang III class Type 052D destroyers before it moves on to another, more sophisticated, design. While India’s latest frigate order – Project 17A for 7 frigates – is itself a new record, the PLA(N) is building 30 Type 054A frigates of the Jiangkai II-class.
2. The Quad is important but India is much more than that. Representing the Indian Navy at Exercise Malabar 2021 is Shivalik-class multi-role frigate INS Shivalik (F 47), and Kamorta-class anti-submarine warfare corvette INS Kadmatt (P 29).
3. This is the Indian Navy at a mini-lateral with Thailand and Singapore — more importantly, it’s the 3rd edition of the Singapore-India-Thailand Maritime Exercise (SITMEX). This trilateral exercise involved the RSN Formidable class frigate, RSS Tenacious, the IN Kora class corvette, INS Karmuk, and the RTN Khamronsin-class corvette, HTMS Thayanchon.
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Ananda
The Bunker Group
Navy to test Rafale-M jet for INS Vikrant
The Rafale-M fighter will be pushed through an intensive trial to assess whether it is best suited for IAC-1.
Seems by the language of the article, someguys in Indian defense circle already put preference over Rafale M compared to F-18 Shornet and Mig 29K. Stating that Shornet will not fit the elevator in their Indigenous carrier, has some merit though.
As the video shown Vikrant elevator is not that big relative even to other contemporary carriers, let alone USN ones. So whatever their choices will be, if should fit the elevator.
On the other hands there're those in Indian defense enthusiasts circles like this you tuber put video blogs shown their calculation that Rafale M is the only type of Carrier Fighters that doesn't fit the deck elevators due it has no folding wings.
So there are going to be battle of opinion between 'defense' insiders/ Sales Agents in India on which will be the fittest next carrier based fighters.
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Seems to me a bit of bad planning. Designing and building the carrier and not making the elevators large enough, thereby limiting the types of aircraft you can operate. Somebody really thought that through.
If true that the elevators are not large enough, their planners are either very corrupt or very incompetent.
The project has been running for a very long time and was originally intended to operate the naval LCA Tejas. That said it would have been wise to scale the hangar, lifts etc for SH, and or F-35 to future proof the design.
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Ananda
The Bunker Group
Got this picture from one of Indian defense on-line sites. The video already shown that, but by watching this picture the proportion for the deck side elevators seems bit different with contemporary carriers on this size.
The length seems alright, but the width bit smaller (in proportion) compared to others. However Indian Navy claim with 11m width it is still able to cover most medium size carrier borne fighters available, from Mig-29K, Rafael, Shornet, etc.
Still looking to Indian Media, many their local defense 'pundits' shown some questions on the claims, especially for Shornet.
I do also suspect that. This carrier program has been running too long even by other first time carrier building program. Shornet or F-35C types perhaps not in their calculation to begin with when the design being finalised.
I reckon you’re completely correct - the elevators in the image attached seem awfully narrow (almost super specific to current aircraft) compared to any other ‘new’ carrier I’ve seen from the same view point over the last decade.
It just seems so fundamentally odd, out of all the little and potentially overlooked aspects which allow flexibility, they chose one of the most obvious elements to limit future use?
Sandhi Yudha
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Two days ago on 18 January 2022, there was an explosion in an internal compartment of a destoyer at the naval dockyard in Mumbai. An explosion was reported on board a Rajput-class destroyer Ranvir D-54. According to local reports, three petty officers were killed and eleven sailors were injured in the blast.
www.navalnews.com
m.timesofindia.com
Explosion aboard Indian Navy Destroyer: 3 sailors killed, 11 wounded - Naval News
On 18 January, an explosion occured in an internal compartment of the Indian Navy destroyer, INS Ranvir, in the Naval Dockyard in Mumbai.
www.navalnews.com
INS Ranvir Explosion: Three Navy personnel killed in explosion on warship INS Ranvir | India News - Times of India
India News: Three naval personnel have lost their lives in an explosion on the warship INS Ranvir at the naval dockyard in Mumbai. 11 sailors with injuries are be
m.timesofindia.com
Three dead, 11 injured in explosion on board destroyer INS Ranvir
“A Board of inquiry has been ordered to investigate into the cause,” a statement by the Navy said.
indianexpress.com
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Considering the folded width of an F18E/F is apparently 9.2 metres, they would seem likely to be correct, at least for that aircraft.
Sad news about the explosion in the DDG - the IN seems to have had a run of unfortunate accidents in the last few years.
Sandhi Yudha
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DCNS/Naval Group has announced that they will not participate anymore with the P75I Program. In this program six conventional submarines had to be build domestically in India. One of the reasons seems to be the planned AIP-system. India demands the to be installed AIP has to be sea proven, but until now it is not in use by any navy.
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www.hindustantimes.com
P75I is a follow-on program of the Scorpène/Kalvari class (P75) of diesel-electric submarines.
France military firm quits india submarine project before PM Modi's visit
The ₹43,000 crore-contract will be awarded by the Defence Ministry following a detailed evaluation of the responses sent by the two strategic partners.
www.hindustantimes.com
P75I is a follow-on program of the Scorpène/Kalvari class (P75) of diesel-electric submarines.
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Redlands18
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And Naval Group was putting a variant of the Shortfin Barracuda design (RAN Attack Class) for this program.DCNS/Naval Group has announced that they will not participate anymore with the P75I Program. In this program six conventional submarines had to be build domestically in India. One of the reasons seems to be the planned AIP-system. India demands the to be installed AIP has to be sea proven, but until now it is not in use by any navy.
France military firm quits india submarine project before PM Modi's visit
The ₹43,000 crore-contract will be awarded by the Defence Ministry following a detailed evaluation of the responses sent by the two strategic partners.
P75I is a follow-on program of the Scorpène/Kalvari class (P75) of diesel-electric submarines.
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Indian defence RFPs often demand fielded technologies even from suppliers that have not yet fielded such systems — the French have dropped out of the P-75I submarine RFP due to such a requirement, when the Indian Navy is a Scorpène-class submarine user.
This leaves the S-80-Plus from Spain, the DSME-3000 from South Korea, and Amur design from Russia, in the running for the P-75I. At least one other foreign OEM may also have to reconsider their bid.
Looking more likely that India’s ministry of defeat will proceed with the untested but indigenous-developed AIP via the DRDO. The AIP project will drag on and on. IMO, after a decade or more of delays, the same AIP technology being developed by the OEMs will be tested and ready; then bought from at many times the original cost in the late 2030s, label changed and passed of as indigenous.
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