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ajay_ijn

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gf0012-aust said:
but, what you apparently haven't understood from the way you've responded, is that you can't just add PAC3 or S300 technology onto the Sa6 or Akash to make it go to 150km.
That will require a different booster and hence will be a different missile.
Akash is not integrated with PAC-3 or S-300 for improving range.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MISSILES/Akash.html
Officials have said that the missile will also undergo user trials with the Army for integration with the S-300PMU-1 anti-tactical ballistic missile systems, of which the Army has purchased an unspecified number, as well as with AEW aircraft. Plans exist for a navalised version in VLS mode.
But i don't know what kind of intergration.
There is seperate programme for increasing the range of Akash to 60km.
 

gf0012-aust

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ajay_ijn said:
Akash is not integrated with PAC-3 or S-300 for improving range.
hence why I challenged the response. It was the way your response followed on that I drew the link from integration to range.

ajay_ijn said:
But i don't know what kind of intergration.
It's a guidance and vectoring integration programme.

ajay_ijn said:
There is seperate programme for increasing the range of Akash to 60km.
Which is where all this confusion has started from. It was said a few posts back that it was being extended to 150km. That clearly is impossible. and to be blunt, I seriously doubt that increasing the range by another further 140% is possible either. That would mean not only rebuilding the booster, but probably investing in new propellant solutions as well. ipso facto - it's definitely not using Sa-6 booster components anymore.

You just can't double the range of existing systems - they don't have that degree of redundancy built into the designs in the first place. eg A 2005 and a 1965 Mustang are both Mustangs in name only - there is nothing of common usage in either car.
 

highsea

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They might be able to increase the range with a strap on booster, (similar in principle to the ESSM) but gf is right, there is no way to accomplish it within the existing airframe. Even so, it would take a pretty big booster, so you would need a new launcher, it's not going to fit on a BMP.

Anything else would take a new, larger airframe with proportionately larger boosters and ramjet motors, greater fuel capacity, etc. IOW, a new missile.
 
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aaaditya

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that will increase the already high weight of the missile.
what india needs is a missile.
1)that weighs between 750-1000 kgs but has a range of 150-200kms.
2) 2 way datalink with fullfledged networking.
3)vls capability and missile and radar adaptability for varied platforms (land or naval)
4)active homing all the way
5)hit to kill capability ,with a high explosive warhead (in the range of 50-70kgs) and a small emi warhead to ensure positive destruction of the incoming missile and warhead.
6)sustained high speed (aroun m5) all the way till acheiving the kill.this will require scramjet propulsion
7)combination of laser and proximity fuse.
8)all composite body structure
9)high manouverabilty(at least 60 g's),very high no escape zone.
10)high storage life,and must be given a stealth coating(ram).
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aaaditya

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well guys here is some more interesting news.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050625/nation.htm#22



India, USA may sign missile development MoU
Tribune News Service


New Delhi, June 24
India may sign a memorandum of understanding with the USA on missile research development training and evaluation (RDTE) during the nine-day visit of Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee, starting tomorrow.

Senior Defence Ministry officials said here ahead of the start of the visit that no major shopping list was on the agenda of the Defence Minister, who would be the first Indian Defence Minister to visit washington in a long time.

The issue of Mr Mukherjee’s visit to the USA also came up for discussion at the meeting of the Cabinet Commitee of Security (CCS) here this morning. The CCS chaired by the Prime Minister held detailed discussions over the issues which were expected to crop up during the visit. The CCS meeting was also attended among others by Mr Mukherjee, Home Minister Shivraj Patil, External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh and Finance Minister P. Chidambaram.

Coming out of the CCS meeting Mr Mukherjee said he was not going to the USA with a shopping list of military hardware and that his visit was mainly “exploratory†in nature to expand Indo-US relations. “I am not going with a shopping list. This is a visit by an Indian Defence Minister to the USA after a long time,†Mr Mukherjee told reporters on being asked whether India will enter negotiations on the purchase of F-16 warplanes offered by the USA. Later, when the MoD officials were asked specifically whether India was considering to buy F-16s despite opposition from Left parties, they said no decision had been taken but only technological and commercial aspects of the aircraft were being assessed.

On the purchase of P3C Orion surveillance aircraft for the Navy from the USA, they said it was a “good†plane and various aspects relating to it were being examined.

Some kind of an assurance with regard to uninterrupted supply of defence material and safeguards to this effect could also come up for discussion during the visit, the officials said.

Mr Mukherjee, who is undertaking the visit at the invitation of his US counterpart Donald Rumsfeld, will be accompanied by Defence Secretary Ajai Vikram Singh and other senior officials.

Mr Mukherjee will have meetings with US Vice-President **** Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and his counterpart Donald Rumsfeld during his stay.

Meanwhile, under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns today met the Foreign Secretary here to discuss a range of issues.

Mr Mukherjee said the CCS also discussed the Home Ministry report on security in J and K, North and Naxalite-affected areas. The security situation was reviewed and assessed but no decision taken, he said.
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aaaditya

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well seems indian missiles are finally ready for induction.

Rs. 12,000 cr. to be spent on missiles


T.S. Subramanian

``Investment will have a big impact on economy''



Cascading effect on educational institutions; aeronautics in demand
Akash, Trishul and Nag ready for production
<LI>All technological problems solved




CHENNAI: About Rs.12,000 crores will be invested in the next eight years in production of missiles. The investment will go into Indian industry, according to Prahlada, Director, Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), Hyderabad.

Besides, Rs.1,000 crores will be spent every year on maintaining the missiles and upgrading technology. These include Agni, Prithvi, Akash, Nag, Trishul and BrahMos. About 200 industries in different parts will take part in the production.

The investment will have a big impact on industry and the economy. It will have a cascading effect on educational institutions because aeronautics is sought-after by students.

"Today, students are most excited to see a missile and touch it. Any child who comes to the DRDL asks, `Shall I touch the missile?' Children find it fascinating to touch the missiles. Even the grown-ups want to be associated with the missiles because they are a symbol of power," said Mr. Prahlada.

The DRDL has a "Hall of Missile Technology," where replicas of various missiles are on display. Mr. Prahlada was speaking to The Hindu from Hyderabad on the occasion of the 44th Raising Day of the DRDL. It was set up on June 28, 1961.

He said BrahMos, the supersonic anti-ship cruise missile jointly developed by India and Russia, had gone into production as also Prithvi and Agni, both surface-to-surface missiles. "Akash, Trishul and Nag are ready for production. All technological problems in these missiles have been solved. In missile technology, nothing is smooth." The last three missiles had undergone many flight tests.

Trishul is a surface-to-air missile with a launch weight of 130 kg and a length of 3.1 metres. It has a range of 12 km. It is a tactical weapon system designed to meet the requirements of the three services against aircraft and helicopters. Akash, another surface-to-air missile, has a launch weight of 720 kg and a length of 5.8 metres. Its range is 25 km. Nag is an anti-tank missile. A state-of-the-art imaging infrared homing guidance system enables it to identify enemy tanks even in pitch darkness. R.N. Agarwal, Director, Advanced Systems Laboratory, Hyderabad, (in charge of developing AGNI III missile) and Mr. Prahlada took part in a function on the DRDL campus on Tuesday.
http://www.hindu.com/2005/06/29/stories/2005062901861500.htm

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Topsecret

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Dear aaaditya here it is something opposite like half of our population want to become pilots and all the population wants to touch the Fighting Aircrafts not the missiles lol :p:
 

aaaditya

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well guys seems indian hypersonic missile programme is still on track.

India's maiden hypersonic wind tunnel under construction:-
Thiruvananthapuram | June 28, 2005 12:40:20 PM IST

Thiruvananthapuram, June 28 : Work on India's first hypersonic wind tunnel (HWT) is under way at the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre (VSSC) here. Only a handful of countries can boast of an HWT.

Scientists at VSSC are now burning the midnight oil because the HWT is to become a vital ingredient in further development of India's space programmes particularly when India is looking at reusable launch vehicles.

Wind tunnels have undergone enormous development over the years. The current breed of supersonic wind tunnels (SWT) marked the development of turbojet which ushered in an era of supersonic aircrafts that travel two or three times the speed of sound.

Hypersonic travel is expected to be 5-25 times the speed of sound.

The investigations that are carried out in the wind tunnel include total aerodynamic characteristics of aircraft models and their components including tests with engine jets simulation pressure distribution over models surfaces, models of inlets and aircraft with flow through in the internal channels, aircraft components interference during their separation and heat exchange parameters.

The SWT produces supersonic speeds (Mach numbers up to five) while in the HWT Tunnels the Mach numbers between five and 15.

The VSSC, which is the lead centre for India's launch vehicle development, began its operations in 1963 from the premises of St. Mary Magdalene's Church, 10 km from here.

India's first Nike-Apache sounding rocket was launched on Nov 21, 1963 at the Thumba Equatorial Rocket Launching Station (TERLS), which came to be known as an Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) centre in 1969.

After the death of Vikram Sarabhai, the founding father of the country's space programme in 1971, it was named the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre.

(IANS)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=3139 :coffee
 

faheem

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Indian rejection of buying PAC-3

Hey I have come to know that the India has rejected the American PAC-3 offer and the Indian offical said that India is develping its own missile systems.

I want to ask that is this news is correct or not
 

kashifshahzad

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faheem said:
Hey I have come to know that the India has rejected the American PAC-3 offer and the Indian offical said that India is develping its own missile systems.

I want to ask that is this news is correct or not
India rules out accepting U.S. missile defense system
Agencies
Jul 6, 2005, 09:05

New Dehli: India ruled out accepting a missile defense system from the United States.

"There is no question of accepting (a) missile shield from anyone," Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee told a news conference in reply to a question.

"What we are interested in is developing our own missile program and we are doing that."

The United States said last June that it was willing to talk to India about supplying missile defense systems.

"We are willing to talk to India about missile defense. Missile defense is very expensive. So it is not something that India will enter into lightly," US assistant secretary of state for arms control, Stephen Rademaker, had told reporters on a visit to New Delhi.

India and the United States last week signed a groundbreaking 10-year plan for military cooperation during a visit to Washington by Mukherjee.

India, a Cold War ally of the Soviet Union, has recently moved closer to the United States.

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http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_002636.php


This news looks too be right but i cant understand the purpose why India rejected this offer. There were also some statements from PAK officials they didnt wanted US to do this.If India had accepted this offer then i can say for sure that India had also decided to go for F-16's so now they want to stuck to the Russian and the French
 

ajay_ijn

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kashifshahzad said:
India rules out accepting U.S. missile defense system
Agencies
Jul 6, 2005, 09:05

New Dehli: India ruled out accepting a missile defense system from the United States.

"There is no question of accepting (a) missile shield from anyone," Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee told a news conference in reply to a question.

"What we are interested in is developing our own missile program and we are doing that."

The United States said last June that it was willing to talk to India about supplying missile defense systems.

"We are willing to talk to India about missile defense. Missile defense is very expensive. So it is not something that India will enter into lightly," US assistant secretary of state for arms control, Stephen Rademaker, had told reporters on a visit to New Delhi.

India and the United States last week signed a groundbreaking 10-year plan for military cooperation during a visit to Washington by Mukherjee.

India, a Cold War ally of the Soviet Union, has recently moved closer to the United States.

URL of this article:
http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/article_002636.php


This news looks too be right but i cant understand the purpose why India rejected this offer. There were also some statements from PAK officials they didnt wanted US to do this.If India had accepted this offer then i can say for sure that India had also decided to go for F-16's so now they want to stuck to the Russian and the French
Thats a very good decision.
Further i think India must try to persuade US that Instead PAC-3s or F-16/18 or which ever weapons they offer,India needs Arrow-II.
Arrow sale was blocked by washington.
 
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kashifshahzad

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ajay_ijn said:
Thats a very good decision.
Further i think India must try to persuade US that Instead PAC-3s or F-16/18 or which ever weapons they offer,India needs Arrow-II.
Arrow sale was rejected by washington.
The decsion which Indian govt takes that must be in the favour or the country i cant comment on that F-16/18's are good AC's and P-3's are good for the use of maritime support.What is that Arrow II i havent seen this word in DT as far as i joined that forum.
India does not want PAF to get hand on Russian planes i.e SU's lets see how the situation in the comming years build up and which countries supplies what to which country we will see after sometime.
Good Luck :coffee
 

ajay_ijn

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kashifshahzad said:
The decsion which Indian govt takes that must be in the favour or the country i cant comment on that F-16/18's are good AC's and P-3's are good for the use of maritime support.What is that Arrow II i havent seen this word in DT as far as i joined that forum.
India does not want PAF to get hand on Russian planes i.e SU's lets see how the situation in the comming years build up and which countries supplies what to which country we will see after sometime.
Good Luck :coffee
Arrow is one of the worlds most capable ATBM.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/arrow2/
India has 2 greenpine Radars,these radars actually provide detection,tracking and fire control for Arrow Missiles.
www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/ missile_systems/surface_missiles/arrow/Arrow.html
 

highsea

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Possibly some Russian pressure here, India and Russia have been planning to integrate Akash and S-300 together since they signed the deal in 1998.

US blocked sale of Arrow and offered PAC-3 in it's place, so if India doesn't want to go for it, I would expect they are going to go with their original plan of S-300/Akash. Greenpine will be an orphan as far as India is concerned- useful for surveillance only.
 

backfire

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P.A.F said:
i think that this missile will never be made coz india don't wanna attack somin like europe.
Very true india would'nt want to attack anyone in Europe, but thats what this whole thing is about is'nt it, power projection, whydo you think indians want a nuclear sub or an aircraft carrier.

The IN is'nt interested in the P-3, but in the not yet developed B737 bodied P-8
 

Jhett Dark

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I heard of Surya too . Its the militry version of GSLV (Geo-Syn Satillite Launch Vehicle) developed by ISRO ( Indias civilian Space Dept) to launch Geo-Stationary Satellities . If its able to place a Satellite 36,000 Kms away from eath , its easy to modify it to carry nuclear bomb and hit target 12,000 Km away .

The project is having a rough time , particulary as India is having a hard time making its own Cryo Rocket engine . And when you involve liquid O2 , it takes hours for it to be prepared and it'll nnever be a minite-man(push button ) missile . On top of that US pressure .

I as a Indian sure hope that this thing becomes a reality .
 

aaaditya

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the cryogenic has already been tested for more than 150 secs at lpsc mahendragiri,this is the smaller variant ,the first test launch of this engine will be on an indigenous gslv early next year(india will also be carrying a test on a recoverable satellite system on board the same gslv.),a larger variant of the cryogenic engine is already being developed (expected to be tested in 2010)it will enable gslv to carry 7.5 ton payload.
cryo engine will not be used on the surya icbm as they are considered to be too cumbersome to handle and require long preparation times(several hours),the surya is expected to have solid propulsion.cryogenic engine were used on early us,russian and chinese icbm's now they have solid propulsion.:coffee
 

ajay_ijn

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Time to Build a Long Range SAM Force to counter the Babur.
May be its too early do that,as the missile was recently revealed.

From 1996 to 2005,India has not yet decided which ABM System to buy.
May be its time to wake up and make the selection process fast.
 

mysterious

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You need to detect a cruise missile first in order to kill it. There's no perfect way to kill a cruise missile yet and SAMs arent really the best choice against a cruise missile. A system like MEADS would be closer to hunting down cruise missiles but India has a long way to go before getting its hands on such a system IMHO.
 

aaaditya

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well finally nag has cleared its user trials.:D

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Anti-tank+missile+prepares+for+induction&id=77393

Anti-tank missile prepares for induction

Sunday, August 14, 2005 (New Delhi):


Nag, the indigenous third generation anti-tank missile with unique striking capabilities and immunity to counter measures, would be inducted in the Army early next year, providing a lethal punch to the force.

"User trials of the missile would commence in November end and the new missile system is likely to be inducted in service after that," top DRDO officials said.

The final trials of the missile were successfully conducted in guided mode with live warhead in March this year, paving the way for defence scientists to signal that the missile was ready for use by the Army.

The Nag would replace the Army's ageing French Milan anti-tank missiles.

Surface version

DRDO scientists said though Nag is termed a third generation missile, it's advanced IIR (Imaging, Infrared) homing guidance system will give it fifth generation capabilities, making it the first of its kind in the world.

Besides incorporating the guidance system, the defence scientists, in a major breakthrough, have developed a "lock-on-before launch capability" for day and night operations of Nag.

The missile in its surface version would be deployed in a Namica-Nag mobile system which will carry 12 anti-tank missiles, making it a very potent anti-tank weapon.

Aerial launch version

The helicopter version of the missile, which gives the weapon a much wider range of operation in the battlefield, was first tested in March 1998 and subsequent tests have also been successful, officials said.

"The aerial launch version of the missile would also be ready for user trials early next year. The missile is being made compatible for use with all choppers in service with the Indian Armed Forces, specially the indigenous Advanced Light Helicopter," they said.

A special feature of the missile, scientists claim is "a special nitramine-based propellant and onboard real time processor and compact sensor package".

Distinctive capabilities

Design work on the missile started in 1988 and its first test was carried out in 1990. Scientists said the missile which has been likened by experts to US army Javelin and Israeli spike anti-tank missiles is one of the only missiles in world to have four distinctive capabilities rolled in one.

The missiles' Imaging, Infrared technology helps in distinguishing a tank from other vehicles accurately.

It has the ability to hit targets at 4 kms, fire and forget features and an on-board guidance system to ensure that the missile hits heavily armoured battle tank from top and inflicts maximum damage. (PTI)


well seems that mmw variant has been dropped maybe india can try and acquire the hellfire's guidance system,the helicopter launched variant has a 6 km range 8 to 16 can be carried on an alh,(though i wish that the nag's range can be increased to 10 kms).
 
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