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ajay_ijn

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Re: Missile Beyong the Agni-III Range Possible Says Indian Scientist

In May 2000 Israel is reported to have secretly carried out its first test launches from two German-built Dolphin-class submarines of cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. The missiles launched from vessels off Sri Lanka in the Indian Ocean are said to have hit a target at a range of about 1,500 kilometers. Israel is reported to possess a 200kg nuclear warhead, containing 6kg of plutonium, that could be mounted on cruise missille:coffee
This is old news aditya.

Do u guys know Indian Navy has buyed Derby AAM for Harriers,but not body is discussing about the Derby AAM.

1.It can be used as Short Range Missile as well BVR missile.
2.It has 2 modes of Operation
a.Lock on Before Launch for WVR.
b.Lock on After Launch for BVR.
3.Maximum range:50km.
4.Advanced programmable ECCM which can be changed to suit the Customers and new threats.
5.Most Components are similar to Python-4.
6.Look down-Shoot down Capability.
7.It has an Active Radar Seeker.

Navy has got some 20 Missiles+6 Traning Missiles for 25 Million Dollars
Actually Airforce wanted to buy the Python-4 and Derby Missiles but Navy got it first.
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/air_missiles/derby/Derby.html
 

gf0012-aust

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Re: India to Test Hypersonic Missile. To Use as as a Bunker Buster?

aaaditya said:
well highsea these are not rumours iam just telling you what i have seen the links are bharat rakshak forum
matey, if you go and browse through ProtonRiver you'll notice that I addressed the issue of the "magical" Mach 8 Brahmos some 2-3 months ago.

A hypersonic Brahmos is not possible, and I gave detailed explanations as to why.

It might be worth having a read. I'm not going to cross post to another forum though.

If you manage to find it you'll discover that the person who was insisting (as a defence journalist) that he was correct was actually multiple degrees off "true north". ie he was plainly wrong.

A basic and cursory look at the Yakhont, P800 (Brahmos) and their engines and then a comparison with hypersonic and scramjet technologty would have shown him that he was talking out of an orifice normally reserved for involuntary emissions. ;)
 

keshto patel

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

the case is with the submarine i think it would have to come to the surface before firing

Bunkum.

The submarine does not have to surface in order to fire the missile. They are capable of firing underwater.

Go and do some home work before you write such things.
 

vrus

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

But i don't understand how the missile's fuel starts burning underwater. Won't it get extinguished ?
 

aaaditya

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

i think the missile is first ejected out then after it is clear of the water the rocket motor fires(the submarine must have some kind of pumping system to eject the missile say like water or air preasure).:coffee
 

kashifshahzad

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

aaaditya said:
i think the missile is first ejected out then after it is clear of the water the rocket motor fires(the submarine must have some kind of pumping system to eject the missile say like water or air preasure).:coffee
Dear to Every action there is oposite and equal reaction.

How can a submarine fire a A-3 when it is deep in water think and then say

But i don't understand how the missile's fuel starts burning underwater. Won't it get extinguished ?
yeah if they really wanna fire A-3 from a submarine then a single submarine would carry only one A-3 caz of the size of the A-3 and the special launching system must be needed to carry A-3 modification >>> big money >>> outcome only one missile fired
Let the submarines do their work for which they are specified e.g take and example of magnet its formula is Fe3O4 and the formula of rust is Fe2O3 then you only have to add a bit of iron and oxygen then burn it and may be you will get magnet man simply go to market and buy magnet from there use it your work will be done i give you another example that if you want to do ventilation you need an exhaust fan you should not try to fix up a ceiling fan there my examlpes may not be good but i can say this only that A-3 should be launched from the ground launch pads it will be quite usefull
 

kashifshahzad

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Re: Envisaged range of Surya ICBMs is 20,000KMs!!!

zorg said:
Hi,

Chk this out. Suryas will be developed to fly as long as 20,000 KMs!!!
http://www.stratmag.com/issueJune-15/page02.htm

Are thr ne 2 places on earth that are that much apart?:confused:

Zorg
India's ICBM: Media reports suggest that the launch of India's first ICBM could take place in January 2002. Unidentified DRDO officials were quoted by Defense News as saying that the Surya ICBM (actually the Agni IV since it is developed from the Agni series of missiles) will be a single stage liquid fuel rocket based on cryogenic engine technology. In fact, the Surya was ready for business when India launched the Geo-synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle on April 18. Surya will have a range of 5,000 km and will combine liquid and solid propulsion technology. It weighs 40 tonnes and is reported to have cost $75 mn to build. Its successor Surya II will reach 12,000 km and will be eventually developed to hit targets 20,000 km away. Russia is supplying seven cryogenic engines to India with the first delivered in December 1998 and others subsequently. Surya will be powered by a Russian cryogenic engine. Cryogenic technology has also been developed in India by the Liquid Propulsion Systems Centre in Trivandrum and is expected to be unveiled next year.

Take a look at this this is what mentioned in this site was that ICBM launched on the date mentioned and what you have written is the range of Suraya II i think if US Russia and China dont need a missile of that much range 20000 km then why India wants that to attack all of them that would be silly I think the First test of Suraya will take place in 3002 not in this century

Dear mate listen up increase in the range of missile >>>> increase in tension in the area >>>> increase in the enemies >>>> may be deadly WIII

US + GB (England)
Russia + India
Pakistan + China
I dont know that where the France and Germeny will go
 

aaaditya

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

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keshto patel

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

vrus said:
But i don't understand how the missile's fuel starts burning underwater. Won't it get extinguished ?
Hydromechanics 101

How do torpedo's rocket engine work underwater? Ever heard of monopropellents who dont require oxygen to burn as a oxidizer? Once burnt, they produce gas which is released through its nozzle which produce the required thrust. Hydrogene peroxide is such monopropellent

Nitroglycerine is one such monopropellent which dynamite is made of.

This article of mine comes handy on nytroglycerine:http://atlanta.eknazar.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=1395

Russia's most deadly torpedo shkval uses rocket engine for propulsion.

On SLBM launce, they are ejected from their verticle canisters cocoons by gas pressure of 4,000 PSI which shoves them up, and the SLBM pops up from underwater, goes 10-15 feet up in the air, gets ignited, and on its way to hell.
 

gf0012-aust

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

keshto patel said:
Russia's most deadly torpedo shkval uses rocket engine for propulsion.
actually there are indications that Skval was pulled after the Kursk incident. And it certainly isn't a deadly torpedo. we've discussed this numerous times before.

as for rocket launches from subs, there are two specific types: wet launches and dry launches.

wet launches mean that the cannister floods priot to launch,
dry means that the rocket is ejected dry before ignition. wet launches are technologically easier to do and are the type the Russians preferred. UK, French and US subs have used dry launches.
 

ajay_ijn

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

kashifshahzad said:
Dear to Every action there is oposite and equal reaction.

How can a submarine fire a A-3 when it is deep in water think and then say
yeah if they really wanna fire A-3 from a submarine then a single submarine would carry only one A-3 caz of the size of the A-3 and the special launching system must be needed to carry A-3 modification >>> big money >>> outcome only one missile fired
Let the submarines do their work for which they are specified e.g take and example of magnet its formula is Fe3O4 and the formula of rust is Fe2O3 then you only have to add a bit of iron and oxygen then burn it and may be you will get magnet man simply go to market and buy magnet from there use it your work will be done i give you another example that if you want to do ventilation you need an exhaust fan you should not try to fix up a ceiling fan there my examlpes may not be good but i can say this only that A-3 should be launched from the ground launch pads it will be quite usefull
kashifshahzad said:
How can a submarine fire a A-3 when it is deep in water think and then say
Better u think and say, Submarines can launch ballistic missiles while staying in underwater,If they cannot then Submarines never would become famous Strategic Role.

kashifshahzad said:
yeah if they really wanna fire A-3 from a submarine then a single submarine would carry only one A-3 caz of the size of the A-3 and the special launching system must be needed to carry A-3 modification >>> big money >>>
I think ur wrong,it does take much of the money but its absolutely foolish to carry only one Missile on a Submarine. US Ohio Class can carry 24 Trident Missiles,Generally 16-24 Missiles can be carried by a a Typical SSBN.
country must be ready to spend Money if they want to have SSBNs.
A Single SSBN like Typhoon is enough to threaten a Whole Country.

gf0012-aust said:
as for rocket launches from subs, there are two specific types: wet launches and dry launches.
I thought it was Cold and Hot Launch.


As for Agni-III,it would be better if India Tested it early becoz already it late.
It is the main detterance weapon against China.
If Agni-III reaches 3000-3500km with a 1-1.5 Ton of Payload,Then India can develop improved version of Agni-III which can go till 4000-4500km.
And Then India Must Stop Increasing the Range of Missiles because it is of no use.
With 4500km Missile,it can reach all parts of China.
Then the India needs to Improve upon Agni-III to increase the payload with same range and also increasing the accuracy,countermeasures,propulsion etc.
 

gf0012-aust

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Re: Agni-III missile to be test-fired by year-end

ajay_ijn said:
I thought it was Cold and Hot Launch.
The terminology means the same - it's the principle of the launch process that is being described.

Hot/dry launches require greater sophistication in not only rocket design, but also in the cannister. That means greater costs and invariable a heavier sub all other things being equal.
 

aaaditya

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possible future trends in indian missile development

i think future of missile development in india is joint development of missile systems with russia,israel and europe.

Israel Extends Missile Offerings within MTCR Limits

New developments in Israel's missile arsenal are normally kept highly classified, so recent reports and official announcements over successful tests of extended-range missiles caused quite a stir among the world's defense community.

Israel is launching its new family of extended-range artillery rockets at Paris. The new Long Range Artillery (LORA) family offers pinpoint attack capability (10meter CEP) at ranges between 150 km to 300 km, making it compatible or even superior to the U.S. ATACMS and Russian Iskander-E missiles.

Earlier this year LORA performed successful test flights where the missile was fired to a range of 200 km into the Mediterranean — a test which was closely followed by U.S. intelligence activities. In total, 10 test launches are planned to gain operational approval.

LORA weighs about 1,230 kg and can be configured to carry warheads of 440 – 480 kg. The size of the warhead and missile performance are probably limited to comply with the Missile Proliferation Control Regime (MTCR) which restricting the exports of missile systems and technology capable of delivering a 500 kg payload to ranges not beyond 300 kilometers. While Israel is not a member of MTCR, it has officially committed to maintain export control consistent with the regime.

By design, LORA can attack static and relocatable targets, deriving its accuracy of delivery from GPS/INS navigation which provides mid-course corrections to compensate for atmospheric conditions which could affect the in-flight trajectory. Up to four ready-to-fire missiles will be carried by each transporter/erector launcher (TEL). The missiles can be fired within 10
seconds of vehicle stop.
IAI/MLM is developing LORA in response to Israeli and Indian requirements to extend their artillery units’ deep-strike capability. India considered both Israeli and Russian systems for a planned procurement of 36 missiles as part of its long-range artillery rocket modernization program, at an estimated to cost up to $800 million.

The Surface/Surface Missiles currently deployed by India are liquid-fuelled, placing them at a disadvantage against Pakistani solid-fuelled ‘quick response’ missiles. The Indians favored the solid-fuelled LORA, which better matched their requirements. With its extended range and precision, mobile LORA launchers could rapidly engage targets deep in the enemy area, even when they are located well behind friendly lines and protected from enemy counter-fire.

Another Israeli missile designed for extended range is the EXTRA (Extended Range Rocket Artillery) family, based on a 300 mm diameter, four-meter-long rocket developed by IMI's Rocket Systems Division under cooperation with IAI/MLM. This weapon is scheduled for initial testing in 2006.

The 450 kg solid-fuelled rocket will be equipped with GPS and INS navigation and probably use IMI's Trajectory Correction System (TCS), currently employed with IDF MLRS systems, providing an accuracy of 10 meters CEP at all ranges. It will carry warheads — typically a 125kg high-explosive penetration charge for attack of hard targets such as command posts, or targets in built-up areas — or cargo loaded with scatter mines (such as the new IMI MIMS) or cluster munitions, including self-destruct bomblets.

EXTRA is part of a system upgrade for MLRS, HIMARS, BM-21, LAR-160 and other multiple rocket system launchers, which are required to extend their coverage in attacking targets throughout the modern corps' area of operations, which extends well beyond 150 km from the forward line of troops.

:coffee
 

aaaditya

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Re: possible future trends in indian missile development

First Europe, Now the World. MBDA Claims ‘No. 1 In Missiles’ Spot

MBDA Missile Systems arrives at Paris 2005 with a public face that is almost unchanged from Farnborough 2004, or Paris 2003. Sales are up, margins are up and the merger with LFK is so close you can touch it. Really. “We have never been so close to completing the transaction, says CEO Marwhan Lahoud, echoing what MBDA said in 2004, 2003, 2002 all the way back (almost) to 2000 when the deal was first mooted.

In 2005 MBDA expects to deliver well over 4,000 weapons. In the longer-term term, the company’s priorities will be arranged around weapons for the net-centric warfare environment; air defense systems, be they ground-based, naval-based or what the company calls ‘extended air defenses’; and the provision of weapons systems for UCAVs.

MBDA remains an export-orientated company, one seeking to maintain its dominant position in the air defense sector while also hoping to repeat the proven sales of weapons like the Exocet anti-ship missiles with their next-generation successors. In the general airborne weapons market, the company is concentrating on the fighter acquisition programs in India, Singapore and Saudi Arabia as significant short-term opportunities.

Beyond that MBDA is working hard to establish long-term strategic partnerships in countries where it sees major opportunities for sales and industrial co-operation. These include India, Turkey, Singapore and the UAE. China is no longer on the current list, although in the past the company has made no secret of the fact that it would consider doing business there, were it permitted.
:coffee
 

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kashifshahzad

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Dear webmaster if a member wants to post something about the A-3 missile then how can he get the information he has to dig in this thread then he will be able to find some stuff and quote that and then reply yaar dont do this let the threads remain seprate i have a better sujjestion you can do like that what you have done in the gallery like Pakistan,india ,russia....... then the aviation , defence tech ..... this will be better or other wise do which is better and which attracks members to post and is easy to to obtain information . See what you have done in the militery aviation and in the Pakistan's militery aviation forum you have said that we cant discuss the economy we were discussing the economy for the feasibility that whether Pakistan is in position to buy latest F-16's .

You know better you can do what you think better i am sujjestion apply something which you like
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aaaditya

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well here's another news on akash

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200506201325.htm

Akash test-fired again


Balasore, June. 20 (PTI): India's surface-to-air missile, Akash, was test-fired from the integrated test range (ITR) at Chandipur-on-sea, about 15 km from here today, defence sources said.

The multi-target missile, which was test launched on Friday, was fired from a mobile launcher at around 11:15 a.m.

Akash is part of India's Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) being conducted by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The 5.6 metre long sleek missile with a launch weight of 700 kg would be deployed by the army and air force. The present experiments were being conducted to test the sophisticated missile's consistency, the sources said.

The missile, which uses an integral ramjet rocket propulsion system and has low reaction time, operates in conjunction with indigenously built Rajendra Surveillance and Engagement Radar developed by the Electronic Research and Development Establishment (ERDE), Hyderabad. The missile could be launched from a battle tank as well, the sources said.


the tank here means a tracked vehicle like the bmp.:coffee
 

ajay_ijn

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Its high time for india to buy Long Range SAM System.
Although DRDO is developing an Long Rang SAM.
It might take many many years to do that.
 

kashifshahzad

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Re: Indian Missile Development and News

ajay_ijn said:
Its high time for india to buy Long Range SAM System.
Although DRDO is developing an Long Rang SAM.
It might take many many years to do that.
Ajay can you tell me its range by the way Pakistan is trying to buy FT-2000 its range will be 200km i guee but i will confirm the better idea to knock down planes will be a lot of ground launched AAMRAAM's
 
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