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starwarsworld

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aaaditya said:
well finally nag has cleared its user trials.:D

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Anti-tank+missile+prepares+for+induction&id=77393

Anti-tank missile prepares for induction

Sunday, August 14, 2005 (New Delhi):


Nag, the indigenous third generation anti-tank missile with unique striking capabilities and immunity to counter measures, would be inducted in the Army early next year, providing a lethal punch to the force.

"User trials of the missile would commence in November end and the new missile system is likely to be inducted in service after that," top DRDO officials said.

The final trials of the missile were successfully conducted in guided mode with live warhead in March this year, paving the way for defence scientists to signal that the missile was ready for use by the Army.

The Nag would replace the Army's ageing French Milan anti-tank missiles.

Surface version

DRDO scientists said though Nag is termed a third generation missile, it's advanced IIR (Imaging, Infrared) homing guidance system will give it fifth generation capabilities, making it the first of its kind in the world.

Besides incorporating the guidance system, the defence scientists, in a major breakthrough, have developed a "lock-on-before launch capability" for day and night operations of Nag.

The missile in its surface version would be deployed in a Namica-Nag mobile system which will carry 12 anti-tank missiles, making it a very potent anti-tank weapon.

Aerial launch version

The helicopter version of the missile, which gives the weapon a much wider range of operation in the battlefield, was first tested in March 1998 and subsequent tests have also been successful, officials said.

"The aerial launch version of the missile would also be ready for user trials early next year. The missile is being made compatible for use with all choppers in service with the Indian Armed Forces, specially the indigenous Advanced Light Helicopter," they said.

A special feature of the missile, scientists claim is "a special nitramine-based propellant and onboard real time processor and compact sensor package".

Distinctive capabilities

Design work on the missile started in 1988 and its first test was carried out in 1990. Scientists said the missile which has been likened by experts to US army Javelin and Israeli spike anti-tank missiles is one of the only missiles in world to have four distinctive capabilities rolled in one.

The missiles' Imaging, Infrared technology helps in distinguishing a tank from other vehicles accurately.

It has the ability to hit targets at 4 kms, fire and forget features and an on-board guidance system to ensure that the missile hits heavily armoured battle tank from top and inflicts maximum damage. (PTI)


well seems that mmw variant has been dropped maybe india can try and acquire the hellfire's guidance system,the helicopter launched variant has a 6 km range 8 to 16 can be carried on an alh,(though i wish that the nag's range can be increased to 10 kms).
Good news but when it will be in oprational and how many look like India now declop more Nag Namica to counter enemy tanks Nag is more far capable to counter tanks it can take any enemy babe out from 3 or 4 km away without watching enemy bay in front of eyes great thing to counter India will be on upper had even one nag take out one enemy baby but it is un able to see infront of eyes so it will be hard to kill Nag Namica for tanks without watching Namica it will be guess work for tanks to kill Namica because tanks fired bombs work on heating and guess work to kill enemy tank or Namica but less chance to kill moving namica and tank need more chance to kill namica and namica fire and forget means one fired nag will sure take out one enemy tank out. It will be great if India increase the range of nag like 30 or 40 km away it will make enemy tanks useless. Looks like the next coming war will be fought with missile and victory will be depand on GPS Missile power
 

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starwarsworld said:
Good news but when it will be in oprational and how many look like India now declop more Nag Namica to counter enemy tanks Nag is more far capable to counter tanks it can take any enemy babe out from 3 or 4 km away without watching enemy bay in front of eyes great thing to counter India will be on upper had even one nag take out one enemy baby but it is un able to see infront of eyes so it will be hard to kill Nag Namica for tanks without watching Namica it will be guess work for tanks to kill Namica because tanks fired bombs work on heating and guess work to kill enemy tank or Namica but less chance to kill moving namica and tank need more chance to kill namica and namica fire and forget means one fired nag will sure take out one enemy tank out. It will be great if India increase the range of nag like 30 or 40 km away it will make enemy tanks useless. Looks like the next coming war will be fought with missile and victory will be depand on GPS Missile power
firstly, welcome to the forums
secondly, can you please take time to break up your responses into smaller chunks and check the content before submitting it.

responses that are long tend to take on a form of incoherence. thus you lose your message and the opportunity for people to want to respond appropriately.

also, BVR anti-tank missiles tend to be called MLRS - it's an area denial weapon and it's role is to mess up a grid - tanks, soldiers or whatever other enemy asset then get turned into extra items for the continuation of the nitrogen cycle ;)

PGM anti-tank weapons that are BVR 30-40km are impractical - hence why MLRS and "other kit" like clusters and bomblets get used. A lone tank at 30-40km can be neutralised by other means. massed tanks at 30-40km deserve to get slotted by an area weapon, thats just plain bad tac deployment (depending on who holds the geographical and tactical aces)
 

aaaditya

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i think the article is wrong regarding the weight ,it must be 27-27.5 tons the chinese icbms weigh around 40tons,a 275 tons missile cannot be launched from a prithvi or agni launchers,i beleive this missile is the one likely to be christened as surya.india's gslv weighs about 300 tons.this missile is supposed to be based on the agni which weighs around 20tons.:coffee
 
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Elite Brain

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Will the "indian" ICBM be manufactured in Russia as usual? or have the indians learnt how to make missiles all by themselves??
 

aaaditya

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Elite Brain said:
Will the "indian" ICBM be manufactured in Russia as usual? or have the indians learnt how to make missiles all by themselves??
well and which indian ballistic missile was made in russia?:coffee
 

Elite Brain

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Prithvi is based on russian technology and the Agony.....as we all know comes from Russian,German and some early american technology . Germans provided the filament winding machine that makes the Agony's carbon nose cone. The guidance systems motor comes from Mother Russia. :coffee
 

ashblackhawk

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Elite Brain said:
Prithvi is based on russian technology and the Agony.....as we all know comes from Russian,German and some early american technology . Germans provided the filament winding machine that makes the Agony's carbon nose cone. The guidance systems motor comes from Mother Russia. :coffee
We all know that most of the rocket technology today is based upon German, American, Russian, British or French technology. These countries were the first countries where Industrial revolution took place. So every country developing weapons now a days have some influence from earlier designs, and the word used for it is Research and Development.
 
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aaaditya

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Elite Brain said:
Prithvi is based on russian technology and the Agony.....as we all know comes from Russian,German and some early american technology . Germans provided the filament winding machine that makes the Agony's carbon nose cone. The guidance systems motor comes from Mother Russia. :coffee
prithvi is based on indigenous technology however india did try to reverse engineer a russian sa-2 guild surface to air missile into surface to surface missile called as the devil-1 however the project was given up,the agni(not agony)was developed using indian satellite launch vehicle as the development platform,by the way all the modern day missiles owe their existence to the germans who developed the first missile the v1.:coffee
 

Elite Brain

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A secret report by the CIA stated in 2003 that it will take india 2 years to convert its PSLV into an ICBM. The question is.......what might be the legal ramifications for converting civilian technology into military use? I know the "civilian" program has major American,French,German and Russian input..
 

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Here is another article from UPI on India's long range missile planes (of course, uses Indian Media as the original source of the information):

India Seeks Global Range Missile
India has served notice that it intends to make its global nuclear ballistic missile reach worldwide.

The Deccan Herald has reported that India`s Ministry of Defense, flushed with the success of its Agni medium range ballistic missile (MRBM), is pressing for the creation of a fully-fledged intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 5,400 to 7,200 miles.

The ICBM would probably be a three-stage ballistic missile with solid fuel rockets in the first and second stages, and a liquid propellant rocket in the third stage. The launch weight of the missile may reach 270-275 tonnes and it is planned to have an impact error of only around 1.2 miles to 1.7 miles, MoD officials in New Delhi told the newspaper.

The missile may have a 5,480-7,680 pound releasable front section with two to three warheads of 15-20 kilotons each, the officials said.

There are plans to use the second-stage propellant engine of the Vikas booster rocket during the development of the new missile to increase its flight range. The ICBM is likely to be test-fired by 2008 and is expected to be added to the Indian armed forces` deterrence arsenal by 2015, the Deccan Herald said.

The Indian armed forces currently possess 12 ground-based Prithvi medium-range missile launchers with conventional warheads and a flight range of 90 to 150 miles with installation capabilities of single warheads with a yield of 10-15 kilotons.

The same launchers could be used for the launch of ICBMs, the Deccan Herald said. These launchers are part of the 333rd Missile Regiment, based near the southern city of Hyderabad.

The ICBMs developed by other countries use a ballistic trajectory involving a significant ascent and descent, including sub-orbital flight.

Developing ICBMs would confirm India`s status as a global power and put it in a select club including Russia, the United States, France, Britain and China, although North Korea and Iran are pushing ahead with ICBM programs too.

While Agni is a two-stage solid fuel ballistic missile capable of delivering a 10-15 kiloton nuclear warhead up to 2,500 km, the ICBM will be a three-stage solid and liquid ballistic missile, the Deccan Herald said.

The Defense Ministry officials also pointed out that there would be no monetary constraint for the project since many of the systems for the ICBM are similar to the current Agni missile that has already shown success and are being developed.

India can probably count on whole-hearted U.S. cooperation in developing its new ICBM. The engineering challenges appear to be modest and well within India`s current capabilities, U.S. experts in the field told UPI. But India`s electronic and missile targeting technology remains far behind China`s, and behind the targeting packages China is believed by Indian intelligence analysts to have supplied to Pakistan.

The new ICBM will give India the deterrent capability to hit targets anywhere in China, including the capital Beijing. The current intermediate range Agni can only reach targets in southern China.

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varun_sr71

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Well watever one might think india is producing 4+ gen aircrafts in its 58th year of independence. America is producing its 5th gen fighter now.

We'll have start on with basic physics to do eveything indigenously. May be some of the tech was bought from many countries. Still we are far better than others. It wont be long before we develop some indigenous tech to manufacture ICBMs. This will all happen if the brain drain stops. Half the scientists at NASA are INDIANS if i am not wrong.
 

Elite Brain

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But why does indiaa need an ICBM with a 5000-8000km range? whats it trying to prove? Its supposed "enemy number one":D is China . It can easily reach all major Chinese cities with its ugny 3 missile. So .......who is india going to target with an ICBM loaded with a nuke? US? Europe? Ecuador? Haiti? Tanzania?
 

SU 30MKI

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Elite Brain said:
But why does indiaa need an ICBM with a 5000-8000km range? whats it trying to prove? Its supposed "enemy number one":D is China . It can easily reach all major Chinese cities with its ugny 3 missile. So .......who is india going to target with an ICBM loaded with a nuke? US? Europe? Ecuador? Haiti? Tanzania?
like France and Uk need it? its for power projection
 

aaaditya

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Elite Brain said:
But why does indiaa need an ICBM with a 5000-8000km range? whats it trying to prove? Its supposed "enemy number one":D is China . It can easily reach all major Chinese cities with its ugny 3 missile. So .......who is india going to target with an ICBM loaded with a nuke? US? Europe? Ecuador? Haiti? Tanzania?
maybe against usa ,usa has the problem of first making friends with a nation(entering into a strategic relationship),then dumping them ,and finally developing an enemity for them,they did the same with china and iam sure they will turn their backs on india sometime in the future,an icbm will give india a measure of deterrence against usa.:coffee
 

ashblackhawk

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Elite Brain said:
But why does indiaa need an ICBM with a 5000-8000km range? whats it trying to prove? Its supposed "enemy number one":D is China . It can easily reach all major Chinese cities with its ugny 3 missile. So .......who is india going to target with an ICBM loaded with a nuke? US? Europe? Ecuador? Haiti? Tanzania?
ICBM's demonstrates the hallmark for the country in high tech. engineering and scientific abilities and not just the ability to spraaaay paint someone else's missiles. It is enough to convince any country who tries to cross their limits and interefere in other people's politics and internal affairs. US and Europe are major and strategic partners for India while Russia, Israel are close ally. Even a mad man in India in their wildest dreams never thought about what your braain thinks !!! Agni-4 will in principle have whole of china within her reach. ICBM's are also technology challenge as it is re-entry vehicle and can boost a nation's space program too.:coffee
 

Elite Brain

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aaaditya said:
maybe against usa ,usa has the problem of first making friends with a nation(entering into a strategic relationship),then dumping them ,and finally developing an enemity for them,they did the same with china and iam sure they will turn their backs on india sometime in the future,an icbm will give india a measure of deterrence against usa.:coffee
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I see, so its just developing this ICBM for deterence value. Is it going to be a land based? or a Sub launched missile? I doubt indias "ICBM" will reach us without getting intercepted in Alaska,Hawaii or NATO, but its still a good deterent i guess. Is this the missile called SwearYa or something? whats its planned range? I would guess you indians already have the capability in the PLSV rocket with significant technology input from U.S :coffee
 
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I think really India needs to develope Anti ballistic missile systems like the patriot (USA). With the increasing threat of nuclear weapons in todays world. India needs to have advanced anti-ballistic systems to counter threats from Pakistan or China nuclear missiles or of any aggressor nation in the world.It would be better to increase R&D in this defence system. For a nation having a "good missile defence system" means to have a virtual missile shield over it. I think a nation's capability to defend itself shows its power and not just its weapons.

PS: I apologise for bringing in this topic into this thread. But this topic certainly needs speculation and examining when we talk about nuclear missiles.

Hope to get your insite on this sub-topic. if need be i could start a new thread totally dedicated to this topic.
 

aaaditya

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Diplomat said:
I think really India needs to develope Anti ballistic missile systems like the patriot (USA). With the increasing threat of nuclear weapons in todays world. India needs to have advanced anti-ballistic systems to counter threats from Pakistan or China nuclear missiles or of any aggressor nation in the world.It would be better to increase R&D in this defence system. For a nation having a "good missile defence system" means to have a virtual missile shield over it. I think a nation's capability to defend itself shows its power and not just its weapons.

PS: I apologise for bringing in this topic into this thread. But this topic certainly needs speculation and examining when we talk about nuclear missiles.

Hope to get your insite on this sub-topic. if need be i could start a new thread totally dedicated to this topic.
india is already working on it it consists of 3 parts a microwave weapon known as kali10000(prototype developed and ground tested),durga laser system9not much known) and a 160km atbm expected to be tested either in late 2006 or early 2007(india acquired the swordfish radars from israel for integration with this missile,these radars have a range of 500kms):coffee
so india is working parralelly in both icbm and atbm technology.they also launched the space command which will handle space based assets(which will in most probability control these assets).:coffee
 
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