Indian Missiles & Nuclear Development News and Discussions

[aaaditya]

hot news guys india and israel will jointly develop a long range version of the barak missile (70+kms rangte)under a 350million dollar deal.

here is the link: http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=1505901&C=mideast
The governments of India and Israel have finalized their biggest defense development agreement: The state-owned Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), Hyderabad, and Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI) signed a pact Jan. 27 for the joint development and production of the long-range Barak air defense system for the Indian and Israeli militaries.
The agreement is based on joint investment by both companies to develop and manufacture unspecified numbers of Barak systems.
The initial co-development funding is about $350 million, of which IAI will finance 50 percent, for the next five years, a senior scientist of India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) said. Additional funding will be infused by both parties as needed.

Israel also has projected some requirements for long-range Barak air defense systems, and it could source missiles and other systems from India, he said.
The agreement paves the way to meet the immediate requirements of the Indian Navy, the scientist said. Under this agreement, the DRDL and IAI will develop six long-range Barak systems for India’s stealth warships. The Navy is procuring three such warships from Russia, and the remaining will be built by the state-owned Mazagon Docks.
DRDO chief M. Natrajan said Feb.1 that he would gladly announce any major joint development program allowed by the government, but would neither confirm nor deny the Barak agreement with the Israeli company.
Joseph Fishman, IAI’s acting corporate vice president for marketing and business development, said IAI is not authorized to make statements on defense programs under a confidential agreement with its Indian customers, but said that IAI is not averse to joint development programs with India.
A senior Indian Defence Ministry official said there will be a transformation in the requirements of air defense systems for the three Indian military services. Based on these projections and the high cost of air defense systems, the ministry has approved the initiatives under which Indian state-owned agencies can forge joint co-development and co-production ventures with foreign companies because the technology will remain in India.
The Army and Air Force also have projected requirements for long-range air defense systems for a credible nationwide command-and-control structure.

The Navy as a policy has decided that in the future it will only mount long-range air defense systems and surface-to-air missile systems on warships that are under construction or yet to be built.​

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[XEROX]

The Barak-2 development is big news, wow the Indian Navy really is serious, guess Aster-30 is out.

 

[XEROX]

Agni III ready for launch, says DRDO

New Delhi, Feb 03: India's most ambitious surface-to-surface missile with intercontinental reach capabilities, Agni III, is ready for launch, the country's top defence scientist M Natarajan announced today saying it was for political leadership to give the nod.

"All technical parameters for the launch of the missile have been completed," the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Secretary told a press conference here.

"We are ready for the launch today," he said.

Agni III is a 3,000-km plus range missile capable of carrying one tonne nuclear payload.

Natarajan also said DRDO had made "tremendous progress" on the anti-missile shield for which India is currently in technology cooperation dialogue with the US, Russia and Israel.

Refusing to divulge details, he said progress has been made on various components for the shield and the surface-to-air Akash missile was being configured for developing this indigenous system.

For the first time, the DRDO Secretary came out with details about the various range of missiles being developed by the country in its integrated missile development programme, disclosing that the country's first air-to-air beyond visual range (BVR) missile 'Astra' would be ready for test launch in two months.

He said the government approval for the Astra programme had come a year ago and efforts were to develop BVR missile capable of engaging targets as far as 80 kms away.

The top defence scientist also said that strides have been made in other major projects like development of indigenous weapon locating radar whose integration of components was going on and the system would be ready for field trial evaluation this year.

"The system would have similar capabilities as that of ANTPQ-37 radars acquired from the US army under the foreign military sales programme. The DRDO radars would be, on many counts, far more advance than American radars which are of older version," he said.

On the missile devlopment programme, Natarajan said defence scientist were also working on the profile to develop 1,000 km range surface-to-surface supersonic cruise missile by enhancing capabilities of already deployed Indo-Russian BrahMos Missile.

On the BrahMos missile, he said that the ship launched and surface-to-surface launched 300 km range missile was ready for deployment and was currently going through user trial with navy and army. He refused to comment on whether Indian and Russian scientists were developing a submarine launched version of the missile.

On Agni missile, though DRDO had claimed that India was ready for the launch of the almost ICBM capable missile a year and a half back, no trials were undertaken apparently keeping in view the international opinion.

To a barrage of queries on the repeated slippage and time over-runs on a number of key DRDO projects like main battle tank Arjun and Tejas Light Combat Aircraft programme, Natarajan, while admitting that these programmes were running far behind schedule, said that country's defence scientist were working to check these factors.

"The defence scientists are conscious that there have been time over-runs on some of the projects," he said assuring that emphasis now was being laid on keeping time factor in all the programmes. However, he claimed that MBT Arjun even today was much more cost efficient than tanks of same calibre being produced elsewhere.

Sidestepping questions on whether delay in the development of indigenous Kaveri fighter engine and any further slippage in induction of Tejas LCA might force the country's defence planners to increase the number of proposed purchase of multi-role combat aircraft to more than 126, the DRDO Secretary assured that LCA programme was on schedule and that the first order of 20 LCA was awaiting cabinet approval.

On the weapons integration on the LCA, the DRDO Secretary said this was part of the delivery agreement arrived at with Indian Airforce. "We plan to do weapons dummy trials by next year."

On the MBT Arjun Project, Natarajan said its induction was awaiting final army user and comparative trials. Though the government has cleared induction of 104 MBT Arjun, Army, which has some doubts, plans to undertake summer trials of the tanks pitting them against Russian acquired T-90 and T-72 main battle tanks.

Asked about whether DRDO had found buyers for its tank ex, Natarajan said it was a technology demonstrator of integrating a weapon system on a T-72 chasis and it was upto the users like army to induct them if it finds them attractive.

On the Bhim Project, mounting a 155 mm turret mountain gun, which was being undertaken with South African company Denel Cooperation, Natarajan said it had come stuck due to "political reasons". "The country is looking for alternative sources and recently we have received offer from companies in Poland and Russia and we are evaluating these," he said.

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Now the bit regarding the development of a 1000KM supersonic cruise missile, i wonder if it means subsonic to supersonic in last phase, or supersonic all the way, if its the later its some achivement

 

[aaaditya]

Agni III ready for launch, says DRDO



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Now the bit regarding the development of a 1000KM supersonic cruise missile, i wonder if it means subsonic to supersonic in last phase, or supersonic all the way, if its the later its some achivement

it meens supersonic all the way,if it was supersonic at the end,then it would be known as terminally supersonic.

 

[aaaditya]

well here is an interesting news item about the russian missile shield offer.

http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/04/stories/2006020403321300.htm



Negotiations in advanced stage for weaponry worth $10 billion

Several high-end military platforms being offered
Offers technology transfer for medium transport aircraft
Willing to sell submarines too
NEW DELHI : Russia is in "advanced" negotiations with India on weapons and equipment worth $10 billions, head of a high-level Russian delegation Vyatcheslav Dzirkaln said here on Thursday.
By offering several high-end military platforms, Russia would be attempting to gain the "lost ground" in recent years to Israeli, French, British and American companies.
The proposals being considered by the Indian side include an anti-missile defence shield for the entire country, technology transfer for indigenous production of 1,000 tanks, development and production of medium transport aircraft and conceptual work on a fifth generation fighter aircraft. Russia also proposes to sell submarines and help India develop an aero-engine.
Partner in major projects

"We are going to partner India in all the major projects. Russia is an ideal partner for strategic projects as it does not put political or any other limits in cooperation with India," said Mr. Dzirkaln. The costliest project would be the missile defence shield that entails setting up an air defence system. The equipment offered includes the S-300 missile in different modifications. Russia has also asked India to consider modernising its existing air defence systems.
"There have been tremendous changes and India today is capable of producing not just licensed military equipment but sophisticated weaponry as well. Therefore, we have to reconsider our relations in this field," he told The Hindu . "We also know the weaponry from Soviet Union and later Russia has been exploited to the full. It needs to be modernised. We think India will participate actively in this process."
New relationship

The next step in the "new" relationship with India involves the development of a medium transport aircraft. An inter-governmental agreement to the project is in the offing. Military transport aircraft that would quickly carry troops and equipment in sufficient numbers would be vital ingredients of future wars which would be short, sharp and intense.
The stumbling block at the moment was legal questions. "Although we have signed the agreement on intellectual property rights, all questions of law should be solved." On co-development of a next generation fighter aircraft, Mr. Dzirkaln said India was evaluating two proposals but Russia was backing Sukhoi's offer, as its plane would be inducted into the Russian Air Force. India and Russia would be the only partners initially.

 

[Awang se]

someone pointed out to me few days ago that Brahmos has a problem with it's HE warhead. he say's that the warhead tend to be a dud. then i've pointed out to him that at mach 2.8 and 3000kg mass, against a frigate size vessel, the missile don't really need a warhead

 

[aaaditya]

there is no problem with the brahmos missile ,and orders have been placed by the navy,initially kashin class vessels will be equipped with them.

the work on air launched brahmos has started and plans have been prepared for the development of a 1000km range of brahmos as indicated by the director of the brahmos corporation in an interview with the force magazine.

 

[vrus]

Hey again ppl.

Aditya, about the 1000 km variant you just mentioned, would it be based on the Yakhont or is it based on the Brahmos only or is it going to be developed completely "newly" ?

During the fleet review taking place, President Kalam has called for the Brahmos to be implemented as an SLBM...

Here's the link :
http://www.ptinews.com/pti//ptisite.nsf/0/96CAFC11D65AD4B365257113001CB3F5?OpenDocument

I think it would pose a greater deterrent and be more effective if this missile happens to be the 1000 km range one ofcourse. Will it be necessary to wait for the Scorpene's to be delivered or what ?

 

[aaaditya]

Hey again ppl.

Aditya, about the 1000 km variant you just mentioned, would it be based on the Yakhont or is it based on the Brahmos only or is it going to be developed completely "newly" ?

During the fleet review taking place, President Kalam has called for the Brahmos to be implemented as an SLBM...

Here's the link :
http://www.ptinews.com/pti//ptisite.nsf/0/96CAFC11D65AD4B365257113001CB3F5?OpenDocument

I think it would pose a greater deterrent and be more effective if this missile happens to be the 1000 km range one ofcourse. Will it be necessary to wait for the Scorpene's to be delivered or what ?

well vrus ,the brahmos is nothing but a yakhont with superior guidance system and indian components.the 1000kms brahmos will be a range extension of the existing one,done entire indigenously by india.

 

[aaaditya]

hey guys here is some interesting news on brahmos,the tu142 can carry 6 brahmos each.
also there are 10 countries including 2 south american countries and 2 from the far east which are interested in acquiring the brahmos.

here check out this link:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/17/stories/2006021718821400.htm


The BrahMos is a multiple-platform missile for the Navy. All new warships would be armed with the BrahMos and all big ships undergoing a refit would also get it, he said. The Navy would be able to fit even its land-based maritime reconnaissance aircraft, TU-142 for air to ship attacks while being on surveillance missions. The aircraft would be able to carry up to six BrahMos. The Navy has already fitted four two-tube missile launchers onboard INS Rajput, a Kashin class destroyer. All five warships of this class would get BrahMos.

 

[C-Man]

It would be nice if the SURYA programme is beyond its conceptual phase. Bit IMHO it is a "future special project". I don't see how we can be developing this type of tech given our current Space and Military programmes.

As for India being regionally secure - I have my doubts about it . IT won't take anything more than a hint of a possible axis b/w Pak , PRC and other east Asian nations like Burma , Bangla and N.Korea to set off a major alarm.In fact there are already signs that PRC has chosen Pak as its major ally in a possible future war against India. Given that Bangla has many political parties in its coutnry which are anti-india , there is a possibility that it can turn against India. The other threats could come from Burma and N .Korea since they have the potential to be significant allies to PRC against India.

So India is not "regionally secure" . And any tech that would help make India feel secure would be very welcome. :

Bravo!! I totally agree with Tejas.I don`t think India is secure with a prospective axis of many countries being build by China to encircle India & tie it down to regional stage.
plus I would also like to add that the only way india has to project itself as a "WORLD POWER" (not a regional) is by possessing an ICBM.Take look at any of the "real Bulls" around the world,almost all hav 1 thing in common.
Even if it isn`t used,still it can & I`m sure it will work as an effective political& diplomatic tool!
Am I soundin too aggressive.Sorrrrry shoot me!! :sniper :dance

 

[manofpeace]

India does have the capabilty to build a 12000km range missile through knowledge gained by PSLV series. but the reqirement of such a missile cannot be forseen. Max range reqired by India is 5000km which can be fulfilled by agni series.

 

[zoolander]

The BrahMos is not as good as people think it is. Its 300+km range is only in ballistic mode where the missile flys a arch like trajectory making it easy to shoot down. In cruise missile mode it can fly only 100+km. The BrahMos is really Indian either. Almost every aspect of it is Russian. Calling it Indian is like stealing quotes from a book.

 

[aaaditya]

The BrahMos is not as good as people think it is. Its 300+km range is only in ballistic mode where the missile flys a arch like trajectory making it easy to shoot down. In cruise missile mode it can fly only 100+km. The BrahMos is really Indian either. Almost every aspect of it is Russian. Calling it Indian is like stealing quotes from a book.

brahmos is nothing but the russian yakhont missile equipped with with indian guidance systems and self protection systems,this is because the russians refused india the kondor based satellite guidance system because india had not signed the ipr at that time.the yakhont project was actually stopped due to the non availability of funds and was resurrected by the involvement of india,another projet on which india and russia are rumoured to be working on is the ks172 very long range air to air missile(400kms) ,this missile is to be developed in the same way as the brahmos by the same compant the brahmos corporation.

for moe info on the brahmos check out www.brahmos.com

 

[XEROX]

A-3 with a lesser load may very well do 5000km, ICBM boundry, Surya should be made public in a few years

 

[vrus]

The BrahMos is not as good as people think it is. Its 300+km range is only in ballistic mode where the missile flys a arch like trajectory making it easy to shoot down. In cruise missile mode it can fly only 100+km. The BrahMos is really Indian either. Almost every aspect of it is Russian. Calling it Indian is like stealing quotes from a book.

I think and I am quite sure, that ballistic trajectories are very hard to shoot down and cruise trajectories, or surface skimming modes are way easier to eliminate. Given, that they are harder to detect.

Any more news on that improved version of brahmos you mentioned Aditya ?

I've read loads of articles saying A-3 is ready for launch but is delayed due to political reasons. I'll post a link here if necessary...

 

[zoolander]

you have gotten it backwards. When a missile is skimming the ocean at low altitudes it slips under the radar but nothing gets past a AEGIS anyways so it will get detected. The ballistic trajectory is way easier to shot down because it can detect it way before it even get near the ship. The ballistic trajectory is no way as accuate either.

Either way missile like this are very easy to detect due to size and heat signatures.

Otherall the Brahmos is a good missile though. I personally like the inproved 200km Moskit better.

 

[zoolander]

What happened to S N 19 shipwreck missiles. Those got like a 500km range. Y all of a sudden russia decrease their range. The shipwrecks also go supersonic and fly in packs.

 

[aaaditya]

I think and I am quite sure, that ballistic trajectories are very hard to shoot down and cruise trajectories, or surface skimming modes are way easier to eliminate. Given, that they are harder to detect.

Any more news on that improved version of brahmos you mentioned Aditya ?

I've read loads of articles saying A-3 is ready for launch but is delayed due to political reasons. I'll post a link here if necessary...

except that it is rumoured to have a speed of mach 8.

so i believe that it will have the indigenously developed scramjet engine which was successfully tested recently to mach8, this is a drdo project.

however i believe that this improvement would be in a phased manner.
there was an interesting article of the brahmos missile's guidance system ,i will try to find and post it.

the fist production model brahmos missile section has been supplied by the private indian company godrej(one of the subcontractors).

 

[aaaditya]

you have gotten it backwards. When a missile is skimming the ocean at low altitudes it slips under the radar but nothing gets past a AEGIS anyways so it will get detected. The ballistic trajectory is way easier to shot down because it can detect it way before it even get near the ship. The ballistic trajectory is no way as accuate either.

Either way missile like this are very easy to detect due to size and heat signatures.

Otherall the Brahmos is a good missile though. I personally like the inproved 200km Moskit better.

the indian navy initially selected the moskit missile for its lead ship the p15 destroyer(ins delhi),you can see images of this warship with blast plates,however three factors according to the indian navy force it to go for the brahmos.

1)the proposal for joint development of the brahmos missile on the basis of the more modern yakhont platform and its superiority over the moskit.
2)the prohibitively high cost of the system,hence they have been replaced by the uran missile,which in turn will be replaced by the brahmos.
3)china's acquisition of the moskit missile on its sovermmeny class of destroyer.