Yes thats true, but turkey has a remedy, the f35 shape is stealthy by it self, turkey plans to paint the f-35 with special paint like that on the f22, to reduce the rcs even more.
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I thought US limited most of the stealth technology? ( I guess paint included but does Turkey produce such paint or R&D on it?)
Radar absorbing material and even paint isn't extraordinary, Turkey has been making/researching such material since the 90s.
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Sources for your claims?
F-35 is far more stealthier than any aircraft available save F-22. Turkey is investing huge amounts of money in net centric warfare. Buying SAR capable AWACS , Stand off jammers , C&C aircraft , High altitude missile defense systems , upgrading already existing 3D surface radar coverage. F-35 will be operating in such an environment and it will surely have upper hand against all kind of aircraft you mentioned in both A2G and A2A mode..
The paint developed will also be used on Milgem Corvette of Turkey
F-35 is far more stealthier than any aircraft available save F-22. Turkey is investing huge amounts of money in net centric warfare. Buying SAR capable AWACS , Stand off jammers , C&C aircraft , High altitude missile defense systems , upgrading already existing 3D surface radar coverage. F-35 will be operating in such an environment and it will surely have upper hand against all kind of aircraft you mentioned in both A2G and A2A mode..
The paint developed will also be used on Milgem Corvette of Turkey
Researchers from Middle East Technical University (ODTU) of Turkey developed a new radar absorbent materials which could be useful for stealth technology, the semi-official Anatolia news agency reported on Tuesday.Sources for your claims?
The paint developed will also be used on Milgem Corvette of Turkey
The new materials could reduce the visibility of military vehicles such as ships, aircraft, helicopters and submarines on radars by 1/1000, said the report, quoting Prof. Levent Toppare from ODTU's Chemistry Department.
"Materials used in stealth technology should be thin and light in order to ensure the proper functioning of the platform they are used in," said Toppare.
He added that the new materials, which are resistant to fire, salt, moss, friction, water and impacts, are only two millimeters thick.
"The most important feature of the new materials is that they provide high absorption and reduce the radar cross section by 1/1000, which means it enables a 100-squaremeter object to be perceived as 0.1 square meter," Toppare said, adding "in that way, it would be almost impossible for a radar to perceive such an object."
Beleg I will come out with some sources, I am shuffling my old magazines ( Air International) and in one of them it really had a nice article about F35 and RAF, they had two issues, one of them was there was not enough software sharing which was a major issue for RAF and the other issue was the passing of Stealth technology. I hope I will find the article to share,
I think i read that issue of Air International. However there are various conflicting news on this issue. Everyone says something else on the issue. Even if the US has a version which is more stealthier than others , this plane , due to its design , will be far more stealth then either Rafale or Eurofighter. When compared 1 on 1 it may lack some abilities especially in dogfight and might be inferior but when used with other assets it will be formidable. I find one on one comparisons pointless as war is not a duel but a combined effort of all forces (land , air , sea) and i care more about the increased abilities of Turkish Armed Forces than individual superior platforms.
As we have not bought Eurofighter ( i wish we did instead of the last 30 F-16s but "its all about the money" ) i don't think we will in the near future.
As we have not bought Eurofighter ( i wish we did instead of the last 30 F-16s but "its all about the money"
) i don't think we will in the near future.Beleg at the end no matter how stealthy the aircraft is, it has to fight A2A to achieve air supremacy over the battlefield. I totally agree with you that all of the forces ( air,sea,land) must be factored in but at the same time you have to make sure you will gain air supremacy.
Air supremacy can be achieved by outnumbering your enemy or by using more sophisticated aircraft. Currently Turkish air force has either more planes or technologically more advanced aircraft than potential foes. And with the current acquisition plans this trend wont change. So i don't see any problems here.
Any 4th or 4.5th gen aircraft doesn't stand much chance against advanced SAMs , its not wise to spend billions in aircraft that will provide air supremacy only on your own soil.
Any 4th or 4.5th gen aircraft doesn't stand much chance against advanced SAMs , its not wise to spend billions in aircraft that will provide air supremacy only on your own soil.
so what you are saying is that the F35 will be just as good as the F22 which turkiye will be moding the F35 a little bit more is this what you military turkish analists sayingSources for your claims?
F-35 is far more stealthier than any aircraft available save F-22. Turkey is investing huge amounts of money in net centric warfare. Buying SAR capable AWACS , Stand off jammers , C&C aircraft , High altitude missile defense systems , upgrading already existing 3D surface radar coverage. F-35 will be operating in such an environment and it will surely have upper hand against all kind of aircraft you mentioned in both A2G and A2A mode..
The paint developed will also be used on Milgem Corvette of Turkey
There's no such possibility.Do you really believe that Turkish military companies find a way to make a F-35 so good as a F-22 and that the American companies haven't all this time?And do you really believe that a simple paint can "transform" so much the plane so that it is equal to another that has 3 times its price and possibilities.If it is like that let's just paint the B-52 to make it stealth like B-2
Turkish air force has enough planes for homeland security.If Turkey
has a defensive policy then they more than enough.But in case of an attack you know that there's no possibility that the whole branch of airforce is going to be used.I agree about the SAMs you mentioned,although I believe that is wise to spend bilions if your target is to protect your own soil and not to gain supremacy on someone other's soil.
im not saying i know every thing im asking a questionThere's no such possibility.Do you really believe that Turkish military companies find a way to make a F-35 so good as a F-22 and that the American companies haven't all this time?And do you really believe that a simple paint can "transform" so much the plane so that it is equal to another that has 3 times its price and possibilities.If it is like that let's just paint the B-52 to make it stealth like B-2
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I could think of a few ways they could develop a new engine they could add thrust vectoring and the stealth paint and bang you just have an air supremacy fighter, all of what I have said could be done by Turkey. Ohh yeah add new radar gimmicks from Israel and bang 2nd best A2A combat aircraft in the world.There's no such possibility.Do you really believe that Turkish military companies find a way to make a F-35 so good as a F-22 and that the American companies haven't all this time?And do you really believe that a simple paint can "transform" so much the plane so that it is equal to another that has 3 times its price and possibilities.If it is like that let's just paint the B-52 to make it stealth like B-2
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Jack I mean 2nd behind the F-22 and one ahead then the Eurofighter. But who thinks my "Upgrades" would be ideal for A2A combat? And I read on the internet that the F-35 unit cost is $200 million (USD) the Eurofighter is $125 million (USD) is this right?
If F-35 is going to be used for A2A it is going to have Aim-9 variants so it is going to have them loaded in an outer pylon thus lowering its stealth abilities.Maybe it will be good in BVR but in dogfights there are other factors to be taken into consideration like turn rate ,accelation in which EF is better.Also don't forget in some years the implementation in EF of CAESAR,Meteor etc
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