Pakistan Navy (PN) News, Updates & Discussions
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I think Mk56 VLS is more likely to have been considered than Mk41, since it needs little or no deck cutting and other modification work, see Flyvefisken (StanFlex 300) class, for example.
I agree, Mk 56 seems more feasible and plausable than Mk 41.
PakDef's report says that DCN pitched their Gowind 120 for the PN's 4+ corvette requirement. Although according to the Turkish press the PN is interested in the MILGEM, until official news arises - I think DCN is still in. On one hand the MILGEM would have good ASW capability, whereas the Gowind 120 can apparently carry Aster 15 (as per DCN's official site). It will be an interesting competition.
PakDef's report says that DCN pitched their Gowind 120 for the PN's 4+ corvette requirement. Although according to the Turkish press the PN is interested in the MILGEM, until official news arises - I think DCN is still in. On one hand the MILGEM would have good ASW capability, whereas the Gowind 120 can apparently carry Aster 15 (as per DCN's official site). It will be an interesting competition.
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If I were the US, I'd swamp the market with updated OHPs (with RAM and Harpoons) for almost free, and then link the PN to the LCS programme, thus ensuring nobody else gets the market.
Milgem is a very interesting project but it would have to rely on local financing and no free ride from the US overseas military aid budgets.
Gowind could be a solution if coupled with second hand Leygues escort destroyers (actually FFGs) that the French Navy is likely to delete as the first FREMM enter service after 2011.
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That's true, but I do not think financing is as big an issue as politics is to Pakistan. The problems with Milgem is that it is slated to use only American weapons such as Harpoon, RAM, Mk 46, etc. It's future applications apparently include provision of VLS for ESSM. Although Pakistan could gain access to American weapons, that may not be the case when the first Pakistani Milgem is commissioned.
While the Gowind 120 (offered by DCN to PN) can use the Aster 15 SAAM and Exocet MM40 Block II/III. Although the G-120 does not have the ASW capability Milgem does, I think that problem can be rectified with the use of a 5 ton ASW helicopter.
helos can't carry, let alone launch ballistic missiles.
the issue for any weaps package is certification and relevance. (and not in that order!)
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The most powerful air to surface missiles that can be carried by embarked helos are AM39 Exocet from ASH-3D or Panther helos, with a range of approx 40-50km. Our EH101 carry Marte Mk2, range 30+ km.
As you can see, nothing comes close to a big cruise missile such as your Babur. Simply too heavy.
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I'm a little confused here, isn't ahussain talking about Agosta 90B, the submarine? In which case, it's still doubtful. I'm saying this based on my previous assumption that YJ-62 is a little too wide for the 533 mm tubes. I could be wrong here.
I believe he was talking about Agosta 90 B but typed Agusta
. Agusta Westland makes helo's hence the replies. What a difference a single alphabet can make.
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Indeed, we understood Agusta !!I believe he was talking about Agosta 90 B but typed Agusta
What a difference a single alphabet can make.
Talking about the Agosta SSKs, they could launch Exocet SM39, that's it, nothing bigger, at least in their original French version.
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I think he meant the Agosta-90B SSK gf.helos can't carry, let alone launch ballistic missiles.
the issue for any weaps package is certification and relevance. (and not in that order!)
As for ballistic missiles no can do.
Cruise missiles, depends on torpedo tube diameter plus the dia of the specific cruise missile and it's launch container/canister.
Agusta-> ItalianI believe he was talking about Agosta 90 B but typed Agusta
What a difference a single alphabet can make.
Westland-> British
Two different legal entities.
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Yes I confirm. Ownership is Italian but a high proportion of top managers of Finmeccanica's defence industries are English (as is the case with Selex)
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Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir - Chief of the Naval Staff, Pakistan Navy
Pakistan has asked the US to supply it with six Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates to augment its fleet of surface ships, the chief of Pakistan's naval staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir has revealed to Jane's.Meanwhile, Pakistan is seeking to progress the delivery of four Chinese Type F-22P or 'Jiangwei II' (Type-053H3) frigates ordered in April 2005, and to decide on the purchase of another four frigates of a still-undefined type, he says.
[Jane's Navy International - first posted to http://jni.janes.com - 22 March 2007]
Wish I could get the full article.
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Jane's Information Group
SIGNALS
Date Posted: 28-Mar-2007
JANE'S NAVY INTERNATIONAL - MAY 01, 2007
Pakistan, Turkey sign research, technology and development MoU
Farhan Bokhari
Pakistan and Turkey have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to collaborate in naval research, technology and development.
No details of the MoU were revealed officially following the signing of the agreement on 26 March, during a visit to the Pakistan Navy's headquarters in Islamabad by the Commander of the Turkish Naval Forces, Admiral Yener Karahanogiu.
However, Western defence officials based in Islamabad told Jane's that the MoU could be the first step towards Pakistan's plans for expanding the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) in southern Pakistan.
The Pakistan Navy is to build the fourth F-22P frigate at the shipyard by 2013, in co-production with the China's Hudong Zhonghua Shipbuilding Company. Beyond this, the navy is keen to co-produce locally two or more of the four further frigates it plans to order from China later this year.
Additionally, the Pakistan Navy aims to expand facilities at the Karachi shipyard to produce small boats and corvettes. This could include the co-production of an export version of the Turkish Navy's Milgem-class corvette.
"The MoU with Turkey is another step along the way for the Pakistanis. They are keen to tie up with friendly countries in their surrounding region," said one Western defence analyst who spoke to Jane's on condition of anonymity.
A second defence official said that the MoU also reflects Pakistan's growing interest in a long-term partnership with the US in patrolling the sea lanes of the Persian Gulf.
He added: "Turkey is not the US but... is considered a close ally of the US. Pakistan is keen for a naval partnership with the US and it's also trying to seek closer ties with friends of the US."
Pakistan has asked the US to supply it with six Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates to augment its fleet of surface ships, the chief of Pakistan's naval staff Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir has revealed to Jane's.Meanwhile, Pakistan is seeking to progress the delivery of four Chinese Type F-22P or 'Jiangwei II' (Type-053H3) frigates ordered in April 2005, and to decide on the purchase of another four frigates of a still-undefined type, he says.
[Jane's Navy International - first posted to http://jni.janes.com - 22 March 2007]
Wish I could get the full article.
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Jane's Information Group
SIGNALS
Date Posted: 28-Mar-2007
JANE'S NAVY INTERNATIONAL - MAY 01, 2007
Pakistan, Turkey sign research, technology and development MoU
Farhan Bokhari
Pakistan and Turkey have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to collaborate in naval research, technology and development.
No details of the MoU were revealed officially following the signing of the agreement on 26 March, during a visit to the Pakistan Navy's headquarters in Islamabad by the Commander of the Turkish Naval Forces, Admiral Yener Karahanogiu.
However, Western defence officials based in Islamabad told Jane's that the MoU could be the first step towards Pakistan's plans for expanding the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) in southern Pakistan.
The Pakistan Navy is to build the fourth F-22P frigate at the shipyard by 2013, in co-production with the China's Hudong Zhonghua Shipbuilding Company. Beyond this, the navy is keen to co-produce locally two or more of the four further frigates it plans to order from China later this year.
Additionally, the Pakistan Navy aims to expand facilities at the Karachi shipyard to produce small boats and corvettes. This could include the co-production of an export version of the Turkish Navy's Milgem-class corvette.
"The MoU with Turkey is another step along the way for the Pakistanis. They are keen to tie up with friendly countries in their surrounding region," said one Western defence analyst who spoke to Jane's on condition of anonymity.
A second defence official said that the MoU also reflects Pakistan's growing interest in a long-term partnership with the US in patrolling the sea lanes of the Persian Gulf.
He added: "Turkey is not the US but... is considered a close ally of the US. Pakistan is keen for a naval partnership with the US and it's also trying to seek closer ties with friends of the US."
contedicavour
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Ah-ha this makes sense. The F22P and potentially Milgems are too far away timewise ... the PN really needs urgently a replacement for the Amazons.
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Pretty much. Long-term plan is to expand the surface fleet to at least 12 from the current 6. According to unofficial reports the PN requires another 4 frigates in addition to the 4 F-22P and 4 corvettes. This requirement has become quite extensive, according to very reliable sources - even a multi-mission variant of the LCS is being considered. I think even the PN's submarine fleet will suffer a bit because of the time it will take to commission the new batch - requirement for 3 new AIP submarines.
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Are you talking about the speculative FF-21? But if you really are thinking of the export version of LCS, I think that's just craziness. You are looking at 500 million for a unit (and I think that's a low estimate). PN doesn't have that kind of money. And then, there is the issue of what weapons US is willing to sell you.