Indonesia's acquisition of Russian submarines

[RubiconNZ]

I don't know about the Italian design, but apparently the Dutch parliment has approved the sale of a pair of corvettes and decided that possible human right issues should not interfere with the sale I'm trying to find the specs to them...

 

[RubiconNZ]

Right here we go

Ok: Sigma Corvette

Dimensions(m)90.71oa x 13.02 x 3.60Displacement(t)1700Main machinery2 x diesel engines at 8910 kW max. power each
2 shafts with CPP
Passive roll stabilisationSpeed(knots)28Range(nautical miles)300 at 18 ktAccommodation80


MissilesSSM Exocet
SAM TetralGuns76mm Super Rapid
2 x 20mmTorpedoes2 x B515 trainable launchersCountermeasures2 x SKWS launchers
ESM/ECMCombat data systemsTacticosWeapon control systemsLIROD Mk2 FC Radar RadarsMW08 3D RadarSonarsKingklip hull-mounted sonar

http://www.scheldeshipbuilding.com/products.html#

Space for a helicopter of up to 5 tons no hangar though,perhaps they changed builders or they are in addition to, so far 2 are approved though it looks as though four are on order.

 

[contedicavour]

On the Italian design OPHVs, Jane's says that PT Pal shipyard in Surabaya has been building since Oct 2004 a Comandanti class OPHV in collaboration with Orizzonte Sistemi Navali (fincantieri/finmeccanica). Ship should be launched this year and delivered next year.
Main difference with the Dutch corvettes is that the Comandanti are conceived for long range patrol, not as missile armed corvettes (though there is ample space to add SSMs and light SAMs like the Mistrals mounted on the Sigma)

cheers

 

[RubiconNZ]

Thanks for the info, clears the purchases up, interesting that the Dutch Corvettes have been approved for Piracy patrol in the straights of malacca when they are obviously rather powerfully armed for a ship that size, sounds as if the Comandanti class is rather more suited for anti piracy not to underestimate the level of piracy but...

 

[contedicavour]

To fully use Sigma and Comandanti potential Indonesia needs good shipborne helos... and here again there's an issue, since they only have 6 light unarmed MBB 105s (they also have a few Super Puma but they are oversized for the corvettes' flight decks)
Yet another priority which comes before SSKs IMHO ...

cheers

 

[KGB]

Perhaps they realize that they can't buy and maintain enough patrol boats to cover their sea borders anyway. The sea's in those areas are full of small sea craft, you can't tell whether they're fishermen, smugglers, or JI. Compare it with the US's border with mexico. Drugs and illegal aliens filter through.

 

[icelord]

you know,perhaps these subs will be used for patrols, nothing says we mean business like a sub pulling out of the water while someones sneaking guns or robbing ships

 

[falcon_snack]

Parchim class is an ASW corvette. Once it was used as patrolling force but then brought up to striking force. Most of them (if not all) has been upgraded with new engines.

I read too about PT PAL built national corvette based on Italy's Comandanti class and even there was a miniatur/model of it in local magazine..Eventhough no updated news bout this, DoD has stated to spend more on locally build weaponry, including corvette.

About Sigma i wonder what kind of helo will be put on. ASW helo? or just NBO-105 as liason and transport helo? coz now the navy has no platform for ASW helo. French's Panther was consider years ago by Chief of Navy at that time but no further confirmation.

 

[aaaditya]

i believe thay would be acquiring 6 submarines of which 4 would be kilos and the other 2 would be amur 950's ,amur 950's would eb abetter choice since they are smaller ,lighter and consequently more manouverable.

 

[contedicavour]

Parchim class is an ASW corvette. Once it was used as patrolling force but then brought up to striking force. Most of them (if not all) has been upgraded with new engines.

I read too about PT PAL built national corvette based on Italy's Comandanti class and even there was a miniatur/model of it in local magazine..Eventhough no updated news bout this, DoD has stated to spend more on locally build weaponry, including corvette.

About Sigma i wonder what kind of helo will be put on. ASW helo? or just NBO-105 as liason and transport helo? coz now the navy has no platform for ASW helo. French's Panther was consider years ago by Chief of Navy at that time but no further confirmation.

Here is my priority wishlist for the Indonesian Navy :
> ASW helos (no larger than NH90) for the Van Speijk and Sigma and Comandanti ships : 14 platforms though only the Comandanti have a hangar to service the helos aboard.
> renew the SSM stock : the Harpoon on the Van Speijk are time-expired, and the MM38 on the Fatahillah FFGs and Dagger FAC(M)s are old and short ranged.
> Expand Sigma and Comandanti production to reach 8 of each class.
> arm the Parchims with SSMs
> buy Type 209s made in South Korea to complement the 2 existing ones just overhauled in S Korea
> buy Amur 950 light coastal SSKs

cheers

 

[laksamana dan]

fast patrol boats

I read that TNI-Al just got 3 new fast patrol boats, namaly "Boa", "Anakonda" and "Piton". I don't understand if these ships were newly built at TNI-AL shipyards or old hulls renovated.
The article did't mention if they are steel or composite made (I doubt there is a composite technology available in Indonesia...)
Would anybody have pictures???
Thanks
e-mail: [email protected]

 

[marxist_command]

I read that TNI-Al just got 3 new fast patrol boats, namaly "Boa", "Anakonda" and "Piton". I don't understand if these ships were newly built at TNI-AL shipyards or old hulls renovated.
The article did't mention if they are steel or composite made (I doubt there is a composite technology available in Indonesia...)
Would anybody have pictures???
Thanks
e-mail: [email protected]

Well, I don't know you're an Indon or not but I've got some info at

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRI_Boa

(It's using Indon Language)

KRI Boa was a new built 36 X 7 Fiberglass PC 36 M armed with one 20 mm 20/70 Oerlikon Cannon and two 12,7 mm Machine guns.

I think it's not that new since TNI AL already used that ship since 2004 for illegal logging in Medan, North Sumatera.

 

[lyzzard]

Maybe someone can enlighten me on this question I have, I'm not entirely with submarines.

Why would a navy order 2 different types of subs at one time when both the Kilo and Amur/Lada models seem to possess the similar sort of capabilities?

 

[contedicavour]

Maybe someone can enlighten me on this question I have, I'm not entirely with submarines.

Why would a navy order 2 different types of subs at one time when both the Kilo and Amur/Lada models seem to possess the similar sort of capabilities?

May be because the Kilo are more oceangoing and Amur more coastal subs, but honestly the difference is limited and I've got trouble myself understanding the logic of the whole plan.

cheers

 

[Galrahn]

Why would a navy order 2 different types of subs at one time when both the Kilo and Amur/Lada models seem to possess the similar sort of capabilities?

I don't think the differences between submarine types are discussed enough, in many ways online discussions regarding the differences in submarines rarely extend beyond the propulsion system.

The Kilo is a fleet submarine. The Lada is a littoral submarine. They also have different power outputs, different maximum depth levels, different endurance ranges, different cruise speeds, and different capabilties for supporting offboard systems.

They have similar weapon payloads, but other than that, they really aren't that similar.

 

[Lewinski]

I read that Indonesia is going to buy 2 submarines from Russia.

My guess are that they are Kilo class or Amurs, because the TNI wanted to set up a kilo base in Sorong Papua.

link here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Article...+Russia+for+new+fighters+and+helicopters.html

btw im new! :

 

[SATAN]

you know,perhaps these subs will be used for patrols, nothing says we mean business like a sub pulling out of the water while someones sneaking guns or robbing ships

Well Ma'te they gotta compete with the Scorpenes in Malaysia, The Gotlands in Singapore and the Collins in Australia.

 

[blitzkrieg]

Mod edit: Leave out the personal attacks mate. No-one has done the same to you. If other's opinions on your Country's purchases angers you, perhaps you shouldn't read them, or work on your tolerance a bit. I have allowed you to keep most of your post. Any further posting such as this will see them deleted and you eventually banned, so take care! Cheers. AD.


we have our own strategy and we know our country better than anyone of u. about the patrol boat, of course we need the patrol boat but we also need the "big gun" like frigates, corvettes and even subs. we are trying to make our own patrol boat right now. we have fasharkan (maintenance and repair facility) who can also build small patrol boat. for bigger boat we also have PT PAL. for military spending in the near future we are focussing on our navy and airforce,if u want to see our ships u can see in this link

http://www.cvl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kazmi/KRI.html

 

[icelord]

to those who feel/think that we don't suppose to buy the subs, i said that "go to hell with you guys :lul" . we have our own strategy and we know our country better than anyone of u. about the patrol boat, of course we need the patrol boat but we also need the "big gun" like frigates, corvettes and even subs. we are trying to make our own patrol boat right now. we have fasharkan (maintenance and repair facility) who can also build small patrol boat. for bigger boat we also have PT PAL. for military spending in the near future we are focussing on our navy and airforce,if u want to see our ships u can see in this link http://www.cvl.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kazmi/KRI.html

To be picky, its "to hell with you guys" 'Go to' is just rude.
Of course indo needs to upgrade its Fleet for Offensive, but its Defensive that we are debating here, and where can they afford the parts for a sub, a ship is not the same as a sub in terms of maintanence, in the site you showed, how many of those ships are actually Operational on a regular bases, not counting Upgrades:unknown and overhauls. Its also the Strategy which has us puzzled

 

[blitzkrieg]

There are 250 million of indonesian people will feel very offended if they reading this. back to topics, like i said before yes we need, LST,LPD, opv, patrol boat, etc etc. we realize and we're workin on it but we also need "striking force" that's why buying/upgrading our fleet (submarine, sigma corvette, upgrading engines and weapons of parchim class, changing ssm for van speijk class, upgrading weapons and sensor in FPB 57). we just have a few brand new LPD from S. Korea. PT PAL is also building an LPD, FPB's and planning of building our own national corvette. our fasharkan in mentigi, manokwari,makassar and jakarta is also making a small patrol boat for that matters.