The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[Ikimieli]

These things what i mentioned now in here, might be one of the base reasons why Ukrainians want out of Russian influence. They are tired of their attitude of disrespect towards your subjects or vassals, and they are tired of disrespect on them. But once they hurt you bad enough, the respect will come from there.

This is what they have been saying all along. That Russia only understands power.

SamB: That was a suggestion to the capitalists. I am not a capitalists and i understand your points.

But Mercenaries are a valuable asset if your goal is to win.

The way i represent it, is on purpose like this. More twisted the better the capitalists like it.

Capitalists lack all these things what you describe. You wont find them in capitalist world. They will sell you these things, or the image of it. But its not real. Its only for you to believe in, so that you sacrifice yourself for them.

There is really not much honorable people, or governments out there. But they all like to sell the image. They are cheats actually.

If those things you describe would exist on the leadership, these things might not happen and world would be a wonderful place.

I really would like what you describe more.

But what about the Russians. Is what they do along the lines what you speak of ?

What you speak of is the exact image that the Ukrainians want to build. But how much of it is real ?

And if they want to push Russians back and reclaim their territory. What would be the most meaningful way for them to do it ? To use drones and mercenaries and avoid Ukrainian losses. Or use Ukrainian citizens who sacrifice their life instead of a drone or mercenary ?

Which would be preferable. A dead Ukrainian. A destroyed Drone. Or a dead Foreign Mercenary ?

Or which would be preferable. A dead Russian. A destroyed Drone. A Dead Foreign Mercenary. Or a Dead Russian Tatar or Chechen ? They would most likely first lose a Drone, then Mercenary, Then Minority, then Russian people.

If you want to preserve your people. Throwing them in the harm's way by the millions is then what ?

And you still have the objectives that you need to accomplish. And to do so seems almost impossible, but you still need to do it.

All kind of ideals and ideologies of a honorable battle, where only Ukrainians charge and drive the Russians away, might only lead to millions of dead Ukrainians. They had the professionalism and honor, but now they are dead when Russian mercenaries and drones pummel them to ground.

Maybe the best use of a soldier is not in the battlefield, but in the factory.

"A soldier motivated by currency will choose their own life every time, resulting in mutiny. " This is why Russians shoot them. They install fear in them, and control them trough terror. They have always done this. They position their own troops behind them, and make them clear everyone is shot immediately if they turn back. Fear is also a motivator, and some systems use fear and terror. Then other thing to do is kidnap their relatives and love ones and threaten to kill or torture them if the soldier wont do as they tell them. There is no honor in that. But you gain results either way.

There is always these stories that good wins from an impossible odds, and vanguish evil by some miracle. But just look at the Russian territories. You really think they were handed them voluntarily. No, they are conquering and will do so endlessly, until they have conquered and vassalized the whole world. They push the front. Their current administration wants to mark at least the conquer of 4 Oblasts from Ukraine. Preferably more. Then they continue later. They aim to push for Moldova, and annex Ukraine and Moldova both. Then they go for other countries until they have conquered all of Europe. Then they go for other areas and expand endlessly. The only way to push them back is by force. And if you lack the will, and the force. Then what ?

Everything they say is a lie. There is no real reasons. The only reason is they want to conquer more land. They give you honorable stories about history, about "liberating" their people from those areas and that kind. Why exactly those people are there in the first place ? They have been moving their own people from this narrative. They push their own people inside other nation border, then they declare independence and come to "save" those people. This is the exact same what US did to Mexico and then annexed California and Texas. They pushed their people in as immigrants. Then those people declare independence. Then Mexico try to re establish their territory. Then US declare war and beat Mexican army, and then annex the territories. The Russian people in Donbas and Crimea are there only for one reason. To give a narrative to "save them" and the past administrations have been placing them there for this reason only.

You see Russian people moving in your country. They start to populate your border area. After 20 years they declare independence and their Army comes in to save them and annex your territories on pretext that they are "saving" and "liberating" their people who happens to reside inside your borders. The reason Russians are packed in Donbas is because its border region and to be annexed. There is no other reason. Everything else is a lie.

This is the exact reason, why Finland have monitored Russian populace in Finland very closely, and made certain that they never become majority in any area but remain a minority. Russia have also been caught on installing a proxy inside Finland, in an attempt to be activated when and if the Russian attack on Finland comes. The plot was denied. They started to buy strategic properties in strategic positions, and smuggle stuff in to establish a network to attack Finland from inside among the Russian invasion of Finland. The have also monitored Finnish army, so that the Russians wont infiltrate it from within. They install these as precaution. That if they attack, they have them in there. It might not result as an attack. But they prepare actively to attack everyone they can that if they happen to do so, they have forces and infrastructure inside that region already.

The people who last lived in Crimea were actually Turkish Tatars. But they were forcibly removed from there and replaced by Russians for geopolitical reason.

Lets say that Russia would be Australia's neighbor, and they would attack Australia. You would have a land route. Would your honor win the day, when they push endless amount of mercenaries, convicts and drones to conquer your territories that are driven either by money, or fear, or both.

You have ideals, honor, professionalism. You have tens of times fewer soldiers. You have tens of times fewer equipment.

You cannot win wars with ideals, honors, professionalism alone. You need actual military power. And in a capitalist world, you can actually buy it.

In the other thread you are speaking about equipment what you buy. Where you need that equipment if honor, ideals and professionalism will win the day regardless ?

It actually wont. The nation with one million missiles is actually just pummeling you.


This is what they are building now still. They are building a drone army, so that human lives, soldier lives can be saved. They want to use a robot, not a live person. And if they use live people, they would rather use any other than their own citizens.

In other thread, you told that Australia is not scared to put their people in the harm's way. Europe dont share that perspective. They are scared. They would rather send a drone or mercenary, than their own citizens.


What Ukrainians say is true. The only way to stop Russians is to give them so much hurt, that they have no other options. The only language they know is Power. There is no peace negotiations. The only real peace negotiation comes trough power. The moment they start to lose too much, they cannot continue. Which means that to achieve this, their society and people must be crippled. And they must be subdued with military might.

Honor, ideals and Professionalism wont help in this. You need to actually pummel them to submission and make them surrender so that they say "no more. Please. Stop. No more. We surrender. Keep your territories. Just make it stop. Just leave us alone."

And how i understand. They will. Russian society will be destroyed in the form it is today. And it will transform because of this. Their people will be traumatized for generations to come. Ukraine, and Russia both. It is in every nations interest who reside near Russia, and they reside near a lot of nations, to weaken them to the point that they become weak. And then in the same means that they aim to install quotas on Ukrainian Army, after vanguishing Russia, they must be installed these same quotas. You can then control what kind of military equipment they can have or build, how many soldiers they can have and so. But to achieve this, you need to conquer Russia first. So basically. You first wait until they are weakened. Then you attack them with overwhelming force. Then you remove their government and install a government that is more to your liking and then subdue that government to your will. The same thing that happened in Venezuela. It is not as easy.

After you do this. They become very nice to you. There is no more problem. Their people have been used to vassalization already, so they will adapt fast. And they know they have no options. Who knows, they might actually like the new Russia to come. More than this what they have now. They gain more freedoms actually. And might fare a lot better as individuals. And then, after few generations, they, and their territories can be attached to NATO and EU. This is one of the possibilities, and a very real one. But to achieve this, you must first conquer them. And that is not easy. They are currently thinking how. The question is not why or should. It is how. And in how there is only one problem: Nuclear Arsenal.

 

[SamB]

These things what i mentioned now in here, might be one of the base reasons why Ukrainians want out of Russian influence. They are tired of your attitude of disrespect towards your subjects or vassals, and they are tired of your disrespecting them. But once they hurt you bad enough, the respect will come from there.

This is what they have been saying all along. That Russia only understands power.

SamB: That was a suggestion to the capitalists. I am not a capitalists and i understand your points.

But Mercenaries are a valuable asset if your goal is to win.

The way i represent it, is on purpose like this. More twisted the better the capitalists like it.

Capitalists lack all these things what you describe. You wont find them in capitalist world. They will sell you these things, or the image of it. But its not real. Its only for you to believe in, so that you sacrifice yourself for them.

There is really not much honorable people, or governments out there. But they all like to sell the image. They are cheats actually.

If those things you describe would exist on the leadership, these things might not happen and world would be a wonderful place.

I really would like what you describe more.

But what about the Russians. Is what they do along the lines what you speak of ?

What you speak of is the exact image that the Ukrainians want to build. But how much of it is it real ?

And if they want to push Russians back and reclaim their territory. What would be the most meaningful way for them to do it ? To use drones and mercenaries and avoid Ukrainian losses. Or use Ukrainian citizens who sacrifice their life instead of a drone or mercenary ?

Which would be preferable. A dead Ukrainian. A destroyed Drone. Or a dead Foreign Mercenary ?

Or which would be preferable. A dead Russian. A destroyed Drone. A Dead Foreign Mercenary. Or a Dead Russian Tatar or Chechen ? They would most likely first lose a Drone, then Mercenary, Then Minority, then Russian people.

If you want to preserve your people. Throwing them in the harm's way by the millions is then what ?

And you still have the objectives that you need to accomplish. And to do so seems almost impossible, but you still need to do it.

All kind of ideals and ideologies of a honorable battle, where only Ukrainians charge and drive the Russians away, might only lead to millions of dead Ukrainians. They had the professionalism and honor, but now they are dead when Russian mercenaries and drones pummel them to ground.

Maybe the best use of a soldier is not in the battlefield, but in the factory.

"A soldier motivated by currency will choose their own life every time, resulting in mutiny. " This is why Russians shoot them. They install fear in them, and control them trough terror. They have always done this. They position their own troops behind them, and make them clear everyone is shot immediately if they turn back. Fear is also a motivator, and some systems use fear and terror. Then other thing to do is kidnap their relatives and love ones and threaten to kill or torture them if the soldier wont do as they tell them. There is no honor in that. But you gain results either way.

There is always these stories that good wins from an impossible odds, and vanguish evil by some miracle. But just look at the Russian territories. You really think they were handed them voluntarily. No, they are conquering and will do so endlessly, until they have conquered and vassalized the whole world. They push the front. Their current administration wants to mark at least the conquer of 4 Oblasts from Ukraine. Preferably more. Then they continue later. They aim to push for Moldova, and annex Ukraine and Moldova both. Then they go for other countries until they have conquered all of Europe. Then they go for other areas and expand endlessly. The only way to push them back is by force. And if you lack the will, and the force. Then what ?

Everything they say is a lie. There is no real reasons. The only reason is they want to conquer more land. They give you honorable stories about history, about "liberating" their people from those areas and that kind. Why exactly those people are there in the first place ? They have been moving their own people from this narrative. They push their own people inside other nation border, then they declare independence and come to "save" those people. This is the exact same what US did to Mexico and then annexed California and Texas. They pushed their people in as immigrants. Then those people declare independence. Then Mexico try to re establish their territory. Then US declare war and beat Mexican army, and then annex the territories. The Russian people in Donbas and Crimea are there only for one reason. To give a narrative to "save them" and the past administrations have been placing them there for this reason only.

You see Russian people moving in your country. They start to populate your border area. After 20 years they declare independence and their Army comes in to save them and annex your territories on pretext that they are "saving" and "liberating" their people who happens to reside inside your borders. The reason Russians are packed in Donbas is because its border region and to be annexed. There is no other reason. Everything else is a lie.

This is the exact reason, why Finland have monitored Russian populace in Finland very closely, and made certain that they never become majority in any area but remain a minority. Russia have also been caught on installing a proxy inside Finland, in an attempt to be activated when and if the Russian attack on Finland comes. The plot was denied. They started to buy strategic properties in strategic positions, and smuggle stuff in to establish a network to attack Finland from inside among the Russian invasion of Finland. The have also monitored Finnish army, so that the Russians wont infiltrate it from within. They install these as precaution. That if they attack, they have them in there. It might not result as an attack. But they prepare actively to attack everyone they can that if they happen to do so, they have forces and infrastructure inside that region already.

The people who last lived in Crimea were actually Turkish Tatars. But they were forcibly removed from there and replaced by Russians for geopolitical reason.

Lets say that Russia would be Australia's neighbor, and they would attack Australia. You would have a land route. Would your honor win the day, when they push endless amount of mercenaries, convicts and drones to conquer your territories that are driven either by money, or fear, or both.

You have ideals, honor, professionalism. You have tens of times fewer soldiers. You have tens of times fewer equipment.

You cannot win wars with ideals, honors, professionalism alone. You need actual military power. And in a capitalist world, you can actually buy it.

In the other thread you are speaking about equipment what you buy. Where you need that equipment if honor, ideals and professionalism will win the day regardless ?

It actually wont. The nation with one million missiles is actually just pummeling you.


This is what they are building now still. They are building a drone army, so that human lives, soldier lives can be saved. They want to use a robot, not a live person. And if they use live people, they would rather use any other than their own citizens.

In other thread, you told that Australia is not scared to put their people in the harm's way. Europe dont share that perspective. They are scared. They would rather send a drone or mercenary, than their own citizens.


What Ukrainians say is true. The only way to stop Russians is to give them so much hurt, that they have no other options. The only language they know is Power. There is no peace negotiations. The only real peace negotiation comes trough power. The moment they start to lose too much, they cannot continue. Which means that to achieve this, their society and people must be crippled. And they must be subdued with military might.

Honor, ideals and Professionalism wont help in this. You need to actually pummel them to submission and make them surrender so that they say "no more. Please. Stop. No more. We surrender. Keep your territories. Just make it stop. Just leave us alone."

And how i understand. They will. Russian society will be destroyed in the form it is today. And it will transform because of this. Their people will be traumatized for generations to come. Ukraine, and Russia both. It is in every nations interest who reside near Russia, and they reside near a lot of nations, to weaken them to the point that they become weak. And then in the same means that they aim to install quotas on Ukrainian Army, after vanguishing Russia, they must be installed these same quotas. You can then control what kind of military equipment they can have or build, how many soldiers they can have and so. But to achieve this, you need to conquer Russia first. So basically. You first wait until they are weakened. Then you attack them with overwhelming force.

You call that winning? Ukraine was gifted brand new mechanised brigades, fighter jets and embedded trainers and Ukraine kept on pulling punches. Just because Ukraine had big guns doesn't make you the big gun. Don't kid yourself that bigger is better. And neither is newer a replacement for a professional soldier.

 

[Ikimieli]

Yes. I call that winning.

To cripple the society that is attacking your society. I call that winning.

And / or to conquer them and subdue them militarily. I definetely call that winning.

At the moment Russia is advancing in Ukraine and conquering ever more territories. This is the reality. It actually looks like Russia is winning.

Which is why. They would need to get their act together if they aim to inflict the so called "strategic loss" on Russia.


You might not entirely grasp what i mean.

Lets put it like this.

You have 200 000 Professional Soldiers in your army. Ok. You are fine with it and you go with it. You acquire nothing more and that is all you have.

Then the other you have 200 000 Professional Soldiers in your army. Then you acquire 300 000 Mercenaries and ten million drones.

You understand what i mean ?

You still have the Professional soldiers. You only gain more.

You somehow think, that the Professional soldiers are suddenly removed, and they wont exist anymore. Why would you do that ?

You KEEP your professional soldiers and THEN you hire Mercenaries to supplement them. Which makes their job so much easier and they WILL be thankful to fight along 300 000 Mercenaries when you acquired them to help on their job.

Now you compare those armies. The other have 200 000 Professionals and nothing more.

The other have the same 200 000 Professionals and 300 000 Mercenaries.

Which one you like more ?


Its not about me. I am nothing. I just give ideas and use my boredom. Dont think about me. Think about you. And if there is anything i say that you could use or enjoy, then do that. If not, then im sorry.

My aim is to help. And i want to help Ukraine.

They are losing territory, and they want them back. It will not be easy. And they will not have the strength to do it alone.

And even supporting their cause in internet is helping them, as the Russians aim to undermine it all the time and spread lies.

DO NOT mistake the Russian attack on Ukraine in anything else than conquering a territory from another country. Everything else is a lie.


Would you not accept 300 000 mercenaries if they would come free, to fight along Australia when Austrlia is attacked ?

Would you say "no, we do not accept your help, we use only our own professional soldiers and no outside force can help us it will undermine our army" ?


What i am suggesting is SUPPLEMENTING the existing Ukrainian force with Mercenaries. And the model i gave was meant to be entertaining in the minds of the worst of the capitalists.


Saying no to 300 000 soldiers to help you in war is not exactly very clever. Who would fight for you ,and die for you. Do you disrespect their sacrifice for your country because they made it for money ?

Are you this proud, that you would for example, rather lose a war and lose your country. Than accept help from a mercenary ?

Do you really despise Mercenaries that much ?

Then what about this. Do you get paid salary if you work in Australian army. Does that make you a mercenary and you should work for free. You are actually paid money to work in Australian army to become a professional. So what you do is then wrong ? You should not take the money. Say to them, i dont need the salary. I will work for free because its the just and honorable thing to do.

Are Australian army personnels paid salaries ?

Isnt this what makes them professionals. Professional means that you are being paid. How is mercenary then not a professional. Mercenary is an Independent. But its stlil a Professional fighter. I suggest you not disrespect them and not look down on them. They might actually be more skillful and dangerous than you think. Mercenaries ARE professionals.

Do you think it wont take courage to take up arms and fight for someone who pay you for it ?

What if you do it from honorable reason. Your mother is sick, she needs money for treatment. You have no other options and you are poor. Then they offer you 100 000 dollar to come fight in a war as a mercenary. Do you think that person is complete shit who does that. Who wont have honor ?

He is actually going in there in the harms way, putting his life on the line for his sick mother. And you despise and disrespect him for that ? That he is "trampling on the soldiers honor" ? What is this ?


Then what about work life ? Should all salaries be taken away from all workers. In some societies they wont pay you salaries. In Communist i suppose, they might not. No one have private property.


Either you have understood me completely wrong. Or we have very different world views which makes it interesting.

Australia in itself might be very different than for example, Europe. Which makes also Australian people very different.

You clearly think in a very different way. Me personally, i dont see any wrong in using Mercenaries as long as its voluntary. Meaning, they are not forced to become mercenary, but make the choise on their free will.

Some mercenaries are actually better on what they do, than your average professional army soldier.

People who choose to become mercenaries, are not pushovers. They are solid people.


You speak of Mercenaries as they would make your odds in winning the war lower.

That when you hire mercenaries, your army actually becomes weaker on having them and you would be better without.

I dont understand this at all.


There seems to be also some form of restriction how you can win ? That you can only win on certain terms or way.

If you win on some other way, it wont count as winning. But if it result as a successful operation, why does it matter in the end ?

You conquer the enemy, and enemy is vanquished. No matter how the vanquished enemy say that its not a win. I would still call it a win.

A win is a win. Even if the methods are questionable.

This is why Russians are doing what they do. For example threatening people on rape, killing of their relatives and so, if they dont go there fighting for them. Its not honorable. But they get soldiers still.


What bout your commanding officer. Would they accept mercenaries if they get them for free ?

Or say no and then fight without ?

It takes courage to do what you do. I would take them.

To say no certainly takes courage. To say no to help for ideological reasons.

"im not fighting with them. They are scum. I would rather be vanquished and my army to lose, than accept help from THEM"

Proud. And a lot of courage. But maybe result in a catastrophic military loss.

A larger, and possibly stronger force would have helped you on your fight. But you say no because they are paid to fight. (and then a salary comes to your account still).

 

[SamB]

Yes. I call that winning.

To cripple the society that is attacking your society. I call that winning.

And / or to conquer them and subdue them militarily. I definetely call that winning.

At the moment Russia is advancing in Ukraine and conquering ever more territories. This is the reality.

Mate, your victory parade looks like the Somme with no Treaty of Versailles. At some point you are going to concede. But I will not be there to see it. Far well

 

[tonnyc]

Man, that mercenary rant reads like something I would wrote back in high school when I just discovered computer strategy games. Press the "Hire Mercs" button and voila, a new merc unit. And if you have enough money and click the button enough times, you will have a large army, and they will go where the cursor was when you click the mouse and fire automatically and you can even tell them to fire at a particular target and ignore everything else by pressing A and clicking at the target.

In real world, the reason why nobody does this is because it would not work. If someone has $30 billion and they try this that money will get swindled immediately. Heck, someone naive enough to try this wouldn't have the money in the first place as they wouldn't even make their first million without the naivety being stripped out.

There's a reason why Wagner Group's number of actual combatants was in the thousands. And well, they're out of Ukraine now. It's not impossible to create a formidable mercenary unit of disciplined and trained combatants, but practical reasons will limit their size to a few hundreds to several thousands at most.

 

[KipPotapych]

Russians have always done this. The picture i posted in the Russian General Thread shows you, that while Soviet Union attacked to vanguish Nazi Germany. There was zero Russian armies. And the ones who eventually broke the Mannerheim Line, were Ukrainians too.

Russians themself sit there in the back, and shoot them if they retreat. Driving them forward.

And who are the ones who celebrate Victory Day the most. Of course its the Russians. When others did the actual vanguishing. Zero Russian armies. Zero.

1. 2. 3. Baltics. 1. 2. 3. White Russian and the Ukrainians. Russians pushing them forward from a safe distance.

I am going to take it you are either trolling, not a reader, or actually lack mental capacity (I am trying to be polite).

The Soviet Union lost around 27 million people during the war, including 8.7 million military and 19 million civilian deaths. The largest portion of military dead were 5.7 million ethnic Russians, followed by 1.3 million ethnic Ukrainians. A quarter of the people in the Soviet Union were wounded or killed. Germany sustained 5.3 million military losses, mostly on the Eastern Front and during the final battles in Germany.

Casualties of World War II | History of Western Civilization II

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In the era of the Conqueror Kings in Sweden. They actually even died when fighting in the front lines. Leading from the front. Did not ask anything from their men what they did not do themself.

Once again, read a book. About Peter the Great, for example.

Am i wrong ?

Amazingly, pretty much about everything you have so far posted on this forum. Like every subject. The posts are long, but there is no substance that can be reasonably discussed.

 

[Ikimieli]

This is an example of an elite Mercenary. An ex army conscript with real combat experience, and then enlisting to U.S. Army as a Foreign Mercenary.

Worked with the Green Berrets, and portayed as some kind of hero who saved some American Soldiers with a self sacrifice, and never returned home. And whose role in the U.S. Army was actually an instruction or a teacher of specialized warfare.

You can of course screen your recruits, and take only those who you deem viable in the Service. If you want, you can also limit your recruits to those with real combat experience, or army backround. But a lot of solid people come from civilians with no combat experience, or army backround. You can also educate and instruct them. Drill them into viable units. You do not need to just throw them in the field with nothing to prepare. And you can mix in more greener recruits with those with actual experience as squad leaders.

However you want to arrange. But more often than not, its well worth the money if your objective is to win a war and you are not doing that well.

The France have also this Program called "Foreign Legion". The Roman Army had a conscription system too, and at least half of their troops were Auxilaries who came from foreign backrounds and fight for money. I would not call Roman Legions, or those Mercenaries especially weak. They were actually one of the finest. They had dire training regimes, and each of them were specialized in certain craft. There were also specialities the Romans did not have, and especially their cavalry were usually foreign mercenaries, that come from north africa.

The actual legions were usually Roman citizens, and their system was very successful and one of the most efficients in that time. Without Mercenaries, they would not have fared too well.

The life of a Roman Legion might not even include actual fighting. Some of them were stationed on vassalized areas, and they were so infamous, that even one Legion could hold a large territory, by just being there. The presense of even one Legion suppressed all the thoughts of mutiny in the local populace, even there would be tens of thousands time more people than in the Legion and the area the Legion was stationed in would be large, such as the area of modern France. The difference of there not being a Legion, and there being even one Legion was huge. It was a symbol of Roman rule, a presence of oppression, and meant that they could bring more. And the Legions itself would never have been successful without the use of Mercenaries. The Legionaries itself were one of the finest on their craft. But so were the Mercenaries. Slingers, Archers, Skirmishers, Scouts, Light Cavalry, Heavy Cavalry and so. The actual Legionaries being the Heavy Infantry, which forms the core of the Legion, and keeps the Legion in check. They advance the middle in the Shield Formation, while the Auxilaries harass and control, and keep the flanks.

Some Mercenaries have their pride of their own. And even to this day, there are some Martial Mercenary Traditions such as the Gurkha Tradition in Nepal. Russians have actually used Gurkha Fighters they have bought from Nepal. They have Mercenary Schools, who train young boys to be elite soldiers or law enforcers and especially Signapore hires them as Polices, India hires them in the army, and the UK have traditionally kept a Gurkha Battallion. But i suppose, the India made a coup with Russia, so that they did not hire, and dissolved some Gurkhas, so that they have no one to hire them. Allowing Russias to hire a large Group of Gurkhas and then some untrained Nepalese Civilians to fight under Russian Army in Ukraine. Getting a few Gurkha Brigades, or even a Battallion is a great boon to your Army. They are disciplined soldiers who come from a martial tradition.

For Ukraine, it would be way more advantageous to be able to hire the Gurkhas to fight with them against Russia. Rather than fight against Gurkhas that have been recruited by the Russians.

Gurkhas are Mercenaries and the whole point of their tradition is to become Mercenaries, so that foreigners hire them as Soldiers or Specialized Police units that have been trained to combat situations. For Riot Control, Hostage Situations and so. This is the life they choose, and in Nepal some of the people might have little other options.

I would not exactly say, for example. That hiring Gurkhas lead to bad things, and result only as a Mutiny. They too have a reputation to upheld. And it wont exactly help to hire troops that have been graduated from their fighting schools if they dont behave and offer value for your money.

Africa is full of all kind of militias and insurgents who have real combat experience, but might be less disciplined than for example, Gurkhas.

Latin and Middle America is full of all kind of criminal organizations and cartels, who have hardened people with real combat experience.

Middle East is full of all kind of people with real combat experience, or at least experience in the conflict zone. The latest achievement is in Syria, where an insurgent civilian Group succeeded in a coup against their actual standing army (al-Sharaa). In Mali, they are now attacking their military junta, which is backed by the Russian Mercenaries. And upon last information, the Russian Mercenaries were forced to abandon their positions.

Afghanistan is full of insurgents and hardened folk, who are specialized in guerilla warfare and using mountanous terrain. And its also one of the poorest regions on earth, with incomes similar to few dollars in month. 100 000 dollars might well mean World to them, if not for their entire village. One of them leaves as a mercenary, then everyone can prosper.

Any of them might well offer even a trained professional career soldier a run for their money. And might know a trick or two they never even heard of.

And of course Russia, is full of Mercenary Companies like Wagner Group and even the United States had one, operating in Africa, which i think is now dissolved. Bakhmut i suppose, was mostly captured by Wagner Group Mercenaries. They had a high amount of losses and were using mostly Convicts that were recruited from Prisons on prospect of getting out of Prison after the Service. But got the job done regardless and forced the Ukrainians to pull back. They formed these so called Storm-Z units, who were then pushed against Ukrainian positions endlessly until the Ukrainians ran out of steam and the mercenaries, did not. And after this, the remaining Mercenaries were supposedly released, and went back to Russian civil society. The amount of convicts they used were stated among the lines of 200 000 and the amount of casualties they had was reportedly around 50 000 in the Bakhmut sector only. So some of them actually survived, and become free citizens in stead of a life in Prison or so. And some of them, of course conducted new assault on Russian civilian populace like rape, murder and such and are back in Prison again. But because they are now War Heroes, they supposedly treat them better than normal convicts and are feeling somehow special for that.

How i understand, also Ukrainians have adopted a use of convicts to some extend. And how i have been told, they use Mercenaries they hire from Latin American drug cartels, who then come in the disguise of a volunteer, but are actually paid to come fighting in Ukraine. I do not know is this true or not, but there are this kind of rumors and if you think about it, it makes sense. They need more soldiers, same as Russia. And while your casualties pile up, you need new soldiers endlessly. If you cannot bring them, your army just might crumble for having manpower shortages. The casualties in the Ukrainian and Russian troops are somewhere along the millions. If not now, before long, it will be. And you need to constantly bring some more. Especially, if you are the one advancing.

 

[Ikimieli]

Not only Russians, but the Ukrainians are also drafting their own population against their will. Not all of them serve voluntarily. Same as Russia, there have also been incidents, where the drafted attack the Ukrainian recruiting officials. And cases, where the recruiters can be bribed to let you go. They need more soldiers, and when you run out of voluntaries or professionals. Then where from ? Are they just going to surrender ? No. They will mobilise their citizens against their will. Would not a Foreign Mercenary with actual combat experience be a better option who will come voluntarily, if you pay them money. Than your own citizens, who are then dragged there against their will to enter into a personal nightmare with no combat experience, or army backround. That too, can lead to those outcomes you describe. They are Shell shocked, flee, panic, surrender, and might well enter into a mutiny. They are normal civilians, who are way over their heads, and are forced to be there against their will. And most likely, if they even survive, are traumatized for life. If you are forced into a situation like this, then what kind of strange honor disables the use of Mercenaries. If there would be endless supply of honorable, and voluntary professional soldiers. But there are not. They are Limited on supply and in conflicts like what is happening in Ukraine, they are needed in their millions. If you dont have them, you need to find something else, or then surrender.

The use of Mercenaries is very viable. And is very advisable in a large scale land war like what is happening in Ukraine. Australia is of course an Island continent, so quite hard to invade in the first Place when there is no land border. Long range missiles, coastal artillery, submarines, fighter jets and this kind. And then look at them sink. It might not be easy to land troops on Australia, and then occupy and supply those areas.

The World of Mercenaries is interesting. And there are a lot of people waiting to be hired to fight in a conflict on your side. Better that, than waiting the opposing side hiring them first. You will regret the moment they do. Because then, your casualties are starting to pile up, and their casualties are on the Mercenaries.

No, they should definetely aim to enlist Mercenaries. In as large scale, as possible. Gurkhas, Irregulars, Insurgents, Militants, Militias, Career Criminals, Convicts. Hardened people with actual combat experience or military backround.


Well, i feel similar way on the most of stuff that i read from Russian people.

I actually had no idea or information on Russian casualties in the WW II. That picture is from a certain operation. Which they always when possible, chose to only push others forward.

Russian populace among the Soviet Union is the largest, maybe even larger than the rest of them combined. But their casualties do not relate to the amount of population they have. They have still way less casualties than the Ukrainians that are marked as Military casualties if compared to the amount of population. Many of the Ukrainians also surrendered in the first stages of war, whole armies. They might not be marked as a military casualty but died regardless. All the famines hit other soviet states, but not Russia.

Russian soldiers participated in defense of Moscow at least. And then they fought in the Finnish front. Russians were never able to answer Finnish troops, and the first ones to break trough were Ukrainians they brought. In that picture, the only Russian army is in the Karelia, fighting Finland. And its the only front also, where they lost. They had to bring the Ukrainians to finish the job.

The Russian Troops they brought to fight in Finland were generally low quality, and died in larger casualty rates compared to Finnish ones for tens of Russian casualties compared to one Finnish casualty even they had tens, or hundreds time more ammunition and equipment. The ones who made Finland surrender were Ukrainians.

Russians glorify their things, and pose as better than they actually are.

And i know persnoally many Russian people. And all those things i wrote apply to every single one of them. They are also all militants, and glorify Russia to no end. There is only one exception, a woman who was once a dark occultist, but found Jesus and turned to light. Never have i known she lied to anyone. All the other Russians. Cheats, Militants. Respectful and kind to anyone they fear. Arrogant to anyone they dont. Never respect the law, have always some black market things going on. Look up to anyone who can hurt other people and are good fighters or scary people. Floating on a power trip where Russia is the strongest people on earth, every Russian a cossak warrior. And no matter how bad their own government have treated them, they idolize it forever, and dream of Russian superiority over all mankind.

The only thing i see in you, is a Russian person again twisting the thing on their favor, downplaying the other participant and then using selected truths.

A quarter of the people in the Soviet Union were wounded or killed.

And how many percentage of these were Ethnic Russians ? Not quarter for certain. But way way less. Russians always keep their own base clean, and all the dirt they gravitate to their vassals.

I never even know the facts. I can still say this because i know how they are. I know them personally. And every single one of them, is the same. The others do the work. The others take the sacrifices. And they reap the benefits because they are the most numerous. It was like this even before they turned to capitalists. They have even gene tailored their own race. Killing all of those who are not militants, or are of political opposition in so called "political purges" so that their gene pool would only contain those aggressive and militant elements they adore.

They have for long time now, plucked them out of existence and gene pool like weeds from a garden. That only aggressive and violent genes would survive in Russian society, and they could all be tailored to become warriors with aggressive mind set, suitable for conquest.

There is a clear design and culture behind all of this. They want conquerors. Not artists or gentle people who could not hurt a fly.

And the people who flee Russia or Soviet, and come to places like Finland as immigrants. Are the good part of them. The people who wont make it in their society, and want away because they are oppressed, or somehow done against. And even they are all like this.

There are constant stories that every police in Russia can be bribed. Corruption is rampant. People suddenly attack and beat you for no reason and so on. And they are proud of this. They are proud that they are dangerous, and that bad things happens around them.

There is a reason why Soviet Union broke up. None of them actually liked Russians. And Russians never upheld the principles in the Union, but only used it as a tool of colonisation, vassalization and oppression against the other Soviet States. Even now, they oppress them and somehow think them as their property. Which is one of the exact reasons they fight now in Ukraine.

Russian people deny all this of course. But everyone knows its true. This is what i mean. They have even not a slight of honor in them. They lie, cheat. All the time, almost every single time. And then they ridicule and downplay everyone else, posing themself as somehow above everything they do. Laughing to anyone, who actually believes them.

If you believe what this person writes, he laughs at you and thinks you are stupid. They somehow think they are so clever, and all the rest of the world is dancing on their manipulative tunes. Where Russians are made the greatest, and everyone else is to serve them. Given, if they do not respect you because: They think you might be stronger than them. Meaning, Power is the only thing they respect in life. The only thing that gets to them. They like to install fear on others and enjoy a superior position where others are intimidated by them. But once they are intimidated themself and the situation reverses, they become super nice and want to appease the new master. This is why, you can conquer a place like Russia and their populace will immediately eat from your hand. You were stronger than them so they worship you now. And will become your battle thralls, you can use to conquer more. They are gene tailored species, like some kind of orcs or something. This is what the Ukrainians are calling them. Their behavior is the exact same than the generic fantasy literature orc. Their society functions this way. You show them strength, they group around your power, and start to worship it and become your vassals. They serve the stronger power which might shift, and then group around that power to enslave others. They do not worship the one who wields the power. They worship power itself. In a way, Power is a god for Russian people. And power itself, where it manifests, is what they worship and serve. Even the meekest of them, the nerds with glasses and thin bodies with no muscles enjoy intimidating people and that people fear when they learn that they are Russians. Then they gang up on some western nerd on the internet, and enjoy seeing the fear on their eyes when they learn that they are Russians. Being proud what they do in Ukraine, and that everyone now fears them. They do not aim to be loved, or liked. They revel in being feared. Its the dark side.

You will get to know these truths, once you get to know them personally. Even the good ones. The ones with good heart and good ideals. Even they have these thoughts and are proud for it. It is not only cultural. It is genetic. They are gene tailored to behave in this way trough "political purges" where all the properties they do not want to see in their species are rooted out from the gene pool. To generate this malicious actor within the world, that is known as the Russians.

 

[Ikimieli]

"Man, that mercenary rant reads like something I would wrote back in high school when I just discovered computer strategy games. Press the "Hire Mercs" button and voila, a new merc unit. And if you have enough money and click the button enough times, you will have a large army, and they will go where the cursor was when you click the mouse and fire automatically and you can even tell them to fire at a particular target and ignore everything else by pressing A and clicking at the target.

In real world, the reason why nobody does this is because it would not work. If someone has $30 billion and they try this that money will get swindled immediately. Heck, someone naive enough to try this wouldn't have the money in the first place as they wouldn't even make their first million without the naivety being stripped out.

There's a reason why Wagner Group's number of actual combatants was in the thousands. And well, they're out of Ukraine now. It's not impossible to create a formidable mercenary unit of disciplined and trained combatants, but practical reasons will limit their size to a few hundreds to several thousands at most. "

Wrong.

This have been done historically many, many times.

The Romans are the best example of this.

You dont need to do things in this way. You can do things also so that it functions, and have a clear mechanism and system behind.

You automatically assume, that what you read in the internet is something completely retarded.

But you can as well assume, that i am not the one implementing these things. But someone who knows it far better than me.

It is also, that you people are coded by your superios to think what you think. They need you to think this way, and resist any thought that is out of your scope. But there are also the people, who have coded you. They know better. This is why soldiers are called "Grunts". They are peons and the thinking only hurts. Do as you are told, no questions. And only listen to your superios, and i am not one of them.

If a person in the internet tells you, that it is possible to establish a Mercenary army. You automatically think that it would be implimented in a complete retarded way, and it would never work.

First person thought that the professional soldiers were dismissed and the second thought that it would be implemented like a retard.

And the second person thought not much less retarded.

Meaning. I am wasting my time with you, and you are most likely supposed to be some kind of grunt peon soldiers, who need not to think about these things. You do not do the thinking. You follow the orders, and the superiors do the thinking for you. You are needed in a mind set that you wont question what you are being thaught by your superiors in your given society, and they need you to serve, not to think or have new ideas. All new ideas are automatically rejected as complete bullshit, or retarded. If its not the thing you have been used to. "If it would function it would already be done so". This is the exact reason why Americans thrive. They attempt to find new solutions, and others wont.

This is a general mind set on people in internet. They read a text written by person they never know of. They read the text in their own comfort zone in their own life. Meaning, in their tought process when they read that text there is more of themself, than the one who actually write the text. They make assumptions and then somehow become certain, that what they think is now true, and relates to the one writing. The things i tell from Russia i do not need to relate them to the Russian people here, i have a large pool of Russians i know personally, and have lived with, so i know them personally and have noticed these generic traits.

So when a person thinks that some idea in internet they read will be implemented in a complete retard way, and will not function. Will only tell about themself. That they have a very negative mind set, and internet is full of those kind of people. People with better mind set rarely hang out in internet. They live an actual life.

The reason i am writing this is, that if there happens to be a person who reads this who is not in this mind set, and gets inspired by what i read. And then, might impliment something because of it. Not how i write. But how they do. Not me. But someone other.

And these Russian manipulators are meant to code you in a way on behalf of Russian Federation, that you accept their invasion on Ukraine, and start to see it as an honorable and good thing, and then become to support the Russian cause. And seeing how easile people fall into this kind of manipulation, they do continue, because it functions.

"In real world, " Do you even fathom the concept, what is possible in real world. I can tell you, that in the future. There will be many things that there is not now.

People assume. That there is some kind of "real world" which is then stationary, static. And that it would not change.

Well. Most of the people assumed that Russians wont attack Ukraine. But they did.

I have no victory parades. I am not trying to impliment anything on you. I am actually just feeling i have wasted my time. But then again, these text if you dont delete them. Will be left here and someone who might have an actual use in this so called, real world. Might happen to read them. In a similar way, than that K Perry hoped when he suggested the weapon drop in Iran.

And i already say i am sorry if you dont like them. And SamB told far well, so he does just what is supposed and good. To move on and not give a second thought, and focus on something more meaningful. If its not meaningful to you, then just move on. Its good.

Reading the comments now also take my own meaningful away on writing here. You can continue, i think im out. It depresses me to see this kind of response, and i would rather do something else. I will most likely end up causing more damage to Ukraine, than helping them. And then somehow, you will flock in the Russian ranks.

There is a certain scene already, which is controlling this thing. And you will follow them. Forget what i have told you.

I do not write these ideas from "reality" but from a "realm of possibilities". There is a difference. And it is up to anyone how they can implement it.

In that mercenary game. You can as well play like a total retard. But you can also make those mercenary units, and actually use them to something meaningful. If someone is not using them well, wont mean that its a bad unit or prospect. Or are you implimenting, if a greatest generals are given 300 000 free mercenaries. It somehow becomes to haunt it and they would find no functional system with them ? Give them to Sun Zu, and you suppose it all just fails because a person in internet told you can use Mercenaries. And your own superios most likely told you, that you cannot. For the reason of generating pride on your own armed forces, and a mind set where you are above.

I can tell you how Finland arranges their army. They have no professionals. The professionals are only the people who educate the civilian populace in short military courses. The rest of the army is arranged around volunteers, who are paid no salaries, educate civilians and fight free for the cause. And then rest are drafted from civilian population. So Finnish soldiers are conscripts. Civilians. Not professional soldiers. Only the commanding officers are professionals. Money, is not a factor in Finnish army. They wont get paid. You are probably meant to believe, that because you are professionals and have professional pride. You walk over the conscript army and slaughter them in the droves without your own casualties. But then again, come here when it hits -30 degree celcius, and stay a night at the forest constantly. Then do it without fire or heating. This is one of the reasons why the Russians perished. They brought people from cities. And Finnish conscripts were hunters, and people from countryside who are accustomed to arctic conditions and can ski in the forest. The ones who caused the casualties on Russians were conscripts. And the ones the Russian brought to fight in Finland were conscripts too. They were all civilians. The one in the picture is a conscript. He only turned professional when he was recruited to U.S. Army.

There are different kind of systems. Not everyone use the same concept. And different concepts suit different places better.

And like stated many many times. Russia does use Mercenaries. And will hire as many of them as they can. But Russia is in worse position to hire mercenaries than Ukraine. There is a real potential on Mercenaries on Ukraine. I do believe so.

I have given some reasons above why. If you dont think so, then you wont. But i do.

You need to believe in your own strength. You go there fighting for your country, and you believe in your cause. And that you are victorious.

Continue on the flow you go. I am disturbing you. And it is not my purpose.

But it is not always how you think. You actually know nothing of this thing. The moment you accept it, you can begin to learn more. You are not meant to know anything. You are meant to follow the design of those above you. But they, know. This is for them. Not for you.

People are getting agitated. But please, dont start to support Russia because someone agitate you and is supporting Ukraine.

I can before i leave, post a picture of that person as a conscript officer:

A Mercenary can be this kind. Professional. Disciplined. Highly skilled elite who even the best elite military units look up to, and seek instruction from.

You lay inside snow waiting. You piss and shit on your own pants. You take sugar with you to gain energy. You lay there whole day. You pour water in front of you and only the small portion of gun is visible if you look close. You pour water in front of you to make ice, so that the snow wont powder when you shoot.

 

[Ikimieli]

I do assume. But the point is that it goes out of my comfort zone and i see people being agitated and go at me. So i need to go.

I assume that Spanish person caused a similar reaction. But how i read what he managed to succeed in here. The Russians were really agitated.

Which is good. Put the pressure on them. Make them fear their life. Make them surrender. And liberate them.

But on me, everyone seems to agitate. And i assume, its better i leave.

I have something else in my mind. But i forgot. Oh yeah. I am of course coded too and what i think i assume. It is important to understand this. Finnish people are being coded to percieve Russians as enemy. But there is a reason for it. The reason is, because they eye us a potential candidate for a new conquest. We share a land border. There is a military mind behind, and all they can see is conquest or possibility to conquest.

In all actuality, my own personal dealings with Russian people have never been negative. I have never, even a single time been disrespected by a Russian person in my whole life outside internet. They have all been real nice to me, and some of my best friends even now, are of Russian origin.

But it wont take what i say as false. I can say this to their face, and they know what i say is true. Tsuhna.

But would i go inside Russia, and say this to their face. I doubt they would take it. There is a possibility that they would gang on me, and attack me with at least ten person against one. But the Russians that are in Finland, are here for a reason. They do not want to live inside Russia. But still holds the Russian heritage inside their heart, and dream of the Russian military greatness. Every single one of them. One person was blinded because the doctors grab his head with some kind of metal pincer and rip his eye out to force him out of his mother. And so they tried to abduct her son to take to a "special facility for special people" away from his family, and they escaped. One mother made a child with US person that was half American. And so on.

What i say is true.

So i actually have liked every single Russian i ever met and i have zero negative experience, and only positive experience on them. Strange ?

And still i say these things.

Well, if you would enlist as a mercenary. Then that mercenary would be complete shit and a stain on the military you join. Right ?

Do not support the Russian cause.

 

[DDG38]

Enormous wall of text deleted

Seriously mate, are you getting paid by the word or something ? Perhaps if you want people to take on board what you're trying to impart, try drastically shortening your posts. In the military intel world, a guiding principle for writing reports was "if you can't grab them in the first paragraph don't bother". Brevity has it's place, particularly in discussion forums. Just a suggestion.

 

[Murse]

Seriously mate, are you getting paid by the word or something ? Perhaps if you want people to take on board what you're trying to impart, try drastically shortening your posts. In the military intel world, a guiding principle for writing reports was "if you can't grab them in the first paragraph don't bother". Brevity has it's place, particularly in discussion forums. Just a suggestion.

BLUF
Bottom line, up front

 

[KipPotapych]

^ What if there is no bottom line?

 

[Murse]

^ What if there is no bottom line?

If there's no point to your post, stop typing would be my advice.

 

[koxinga]

The unusual effect of this conflict is a North Korean open air museum filled with Western trophies. Apparently, this is the Overseas Military Operations Combat Meritorious Deeds Exhibition Hall. The location is around Sephyol Street, near the Kumsusan Palace of the Sun.

Don't think anyone would have expected this timeline where the North Koreans to get their hands on:

US M1A1 Abram, M2 Bradley, M113
German Leopard 2A4
French VAB 4x4, AMX-10RC
MRAPs, trucks of every category
Various small arms, drones, communications equipment.

 

[koxinga]

More photos and images of the museum dedication with Kim and the Russian delegation lead by Vyacheslav Volodin, Speaker of the State Duma, and Andrei Belousov, Minister of Defense. Too large to attach here.

https://x.com/KPA_bot/status/2048614086498504708

해외군사작전 전투위훈기념관 준공식 숭엄히 거행／김정은원수님께서 연설

조선중앙통신은 김정은원수님의 참석밑에 해외군사작전 전투위훈기념관 준공식이 거행된 소식을 다음과 같이 전하였다. 조선민주주의인민공화국의 신성한 권위와 존엄을 지켜 열렬한 애국충심으로

chosonsinbo.com

 

[vikingatespam]

A claim of the first Su-57 destroyed, by a drone at the Chelyabinsk airbase (with sat. photos)

 

[Feanor]

A claim of the first Su-57 destroyed, by a drone at the Chelyabinsk airbase (with sat. photos)

For context, this is the Shagol airbase, normally home to the 2nd Mixed Air Rgt, the former 2nd Bomber Rgt, in the process of re-arming from Su-24Ms to Su-34s. It's unclear what an Su-57 is even doing there. To avoid any misunderstandings, let me be clear, there's no reason to doubt the presence of the Su-57 at this time. It's just not clear why it's there.

 

[Ikimieli]

Can i ask about opinion on Crimea Island.

If we would pretend, that there would be some kind of negotiation who should control Crimea. Ukraine or Russia. And why. Then what arguments are there for either side to justify the control ?

I never even knew the whole Ukraine thing exist when they annexed it and in my perspective, the whole thing did not exist. Meaning probably as well, that it is somehow not as a shocking event. But how does Russians feel about it, and how does the Ukrainians.

The information i have found is tricky. There seems to be some kind of geopolitical trick in Crimea. I found one source that claim Crimea being donated to Ukraine within Soviet Union, but then Sevastapol supposedly not ratify the donation at the same time than printing a post stamp that say "Ukraine and Russia Forever Together". How does this go, and why was Crimea donated to Ukraine ? And what does it mean that Sevastapol did not ratify. Why did they not. And does it affect the transaction somehow as in, making it illegal or not ratified within the Soviet system ?

I also found a name who was arranging this transaction. Nikita Krutsev. But i think he was not the one who signed the document.

Is it some kind of trick to get foot inside the door as in, some kind of artificial issue to arm wrestle with. Or what is going on in there.

I also found, that at some point before it was donated to Ukraine, Soviet Union replaced its population with Ethnic Russians.

This thing perplexes me quite some. And i have hard time on getting my mind over it. As in, i dont have much opinion on either way and see that in somehow as an Ukrainian and Russian inner politic thing.

Can someone who knows more about this tell me what they think ? I would be interested on hearing any opinion.

Everyone already knows that Ukraine wants it. And Russia wants it too. But on what basis and on what arguments ?

It really would be great, if you would just somehow get together and be able to arrange these things in a diplomatic way. This whole thing is agitating the whole world quite some. Especially in Europe.

And the healing process can never start if you continue to just blast at each other.

So if i can make some additional questions. What kind of peace terms would you suggest and why ?

My suggestion is simple. Russia gets out of Ukraine and on Cimrea i dont know. In my mind they would first get out of all of the other areas, and then would start to negotiate what happens to Crimea. Seems kinda hard to think as Russia, when you have made all the effort to conquer those areas and would then have to just give them away without gaining seemingly anything on return, but the peace.

This option have also been portrayed as a political catastrophe for the Russian ruling party. As in, the Russian population seemingly wants the war to continue in their own terms and the majority of Russians are not ready to make such a peace where the territories are given back. From an outside perspective it is quite easy to say. But Russians supposedly do not share this opinion at all. Which means, that to change their opinion something needs to change. For example, the war effort need to be way more taxing on their society before they start to seek this kind of options. As in, Russia have it still too good to think about releasing the territories and are still somewhat within their own comfort zone. And on the other hand, Ukrainians are not ready to release the territories either. So the war continues when they cannot agree. Both sides seem to have this same mind set, that they just have to endure and the other side need to be hurt more until they break. And then they get used to harder and harder conditions and the thing just escalates endlessly. Lets say if this continues, after a few years this might look really ugly. Both sides are investing exponentially more and more resources to hurt each other in a mind set that "until they break and we wont".

Then on a random question. Why did Peretroika happen. And how did it affect on the dissolve of Soviet Union ? I feel like there is something interesting there, which might not be so evident to someone who did not live there then.

Thank You.

 

[rsemmes]

Can i ask about opinion on Crimea Island.

If we would pretend, that there would be some kind of negotiation who should control Crimea. Ukraine or Russia. And why. Then what arguments are there for either side to justify the control ?

I never even knew the whole Ukraine thing exist when they annexed it and in my perspective, the whole thing did not exist. Meaning probably as well, that it is somehow not as a shocking event. But how does Russians feel about it, and how does the Ukrainians.

The information i have found is tricky. There seems to be some kind of geopolitical trick in Crimea. I found one source that claim Crimea being donated to Ukraine within Soviet Union, but then Sevastapol supposedly not ratify the donation at the same time than printing a post stamp that say "Ukraine and Russia Forever Together". How does this go, and why was Crimea donated to Ukraine ? And what does it mean that Sevastapol did not ratify. Why did they not. And does it affect the transaction somehow as in, making it illegal or not ratified within the Soviet system ?

I also found a name who was arranging this transaction. Nikita Krutsev. But i think he was not the one who signed the document.

Is it some kind of trick to get foot inside the door as in, some kind of artificial issue to arm wrestle with. Or what is going on in there.

I also found, that at some point before it was donated to Ukraine, Soviet Union replaced its population with Ethnic Russians.

This thing perplexes me quite some. And i have hard time on getting my mind over it. As in, i dont have much opinion on either way and see that in somehow as an Ukrainian and Russian inner politic thing.

Can someone who knows more about this tell me what they think ? I would be interested on hearing any opinion.

Everyone already knows that Ukraine wants it. And Russia wants it too. But on what basis and on what arguments ?

It really would be great, if you would just somehow get together and be able to arrange these things in a diplomatic way. This whole thing is agitating the whole world quite some. Especially in Europe.

And the healing process can never start if you continue to just blast at each other.

So if i can make some additional questions. What kind of peace terms would you suggest and why ?

My suggestion is simple. Russia gets out of Ukraine and on Cimrea i dont know. In my mind they would first get out of all of the other areas, and then would start to negotiate what happens to Crimea. Seems kinda hard to think as Russia, when you have made all the effort to conquer those areas and would then have to just give them away without gaining seemingly anything on return, but the peace.

This option have also been portrayed as a political catastrophe for the Russian ruling party. As in, the Russian population seemingly wants the war to continue in their own terms and the majority of Russians are not ready to make such a peace where the territories are given back. From an outside perspective it is quite easy to say. But Russians supposedly do not share this opinion at all. Which means, that to change their opinion something needs to change. For example, the war effort need to be way more taxing on their society before they start to seek this kind of options. As in, Russia have it still too good to think about releasing the territories and are still somewhat within their own comfort zone. And on the other hand, Ukrainians are not ready to release the territories either. So the war continues when they cannot agree. Both sides seem to have this same mind set, that they just have to endure and the other side need to be hurt more until they break. And then they get used to harder and harder conditions and the thing just escalates endlessly. Lets say if this continues, after a few years this might look really ugly. Both sides are investing exponentially more and more resources to hurt each other in a mind set that "until they break and we wont".

Then on a random question. Why did Peretroika happen. And how did it affect on the dissolve of Soviet Union ? I feel like there is something interesting there, which might not be so evident to someone who did not live there then.

Thank You.

You mean the Crimea "Peninsula"? Because your Geography looks like that of a certain guy from Murcia...

Neither Ukraine nor Russia, it belongs to the UK. The British Empire invaded Crimea (together with the French Empire, and Sardinia, they attacked the Russian Empire; did you noticed the word "Empire"?), do you have any other "injustice" (also known as History) to address? Maybe something about the Roman Empire?
Replacing population? Are you talking about Northern Ireland?
If you are perplexed by History, Perestroika, you should start by reading History, the different versions of History that you can read.

There is a piece of paper that says that Crimea belongs to Ukraine, as soon as you get another piece of paper (and there are a lot of pieces of paper, the Atlantic Charter, for example, saying a lot of things; toilet paper, may I say?), saying something different, that will be "legal" and everything against it will be "illegal". On the other hand, you should already know how irrelevant those terms have always been. Ultima ratio regum, that is your "argument".

Your question is in right the thread, but, to me, it looks like a pie in the sky more than anything else.