From my experiance they arent seeking out the low paid jobs. . I've worked since I was 15 in .packhouses, meat works, orchard work, vineyards, farms.retail and cleaning all over the country .
Guess who mostly did that work alongside me? Immigrants. From pacific islanders to chinese, Indians and even the occasional somali now.
Whats the number of migrants in our NZDF for that matter, hundreds? More? Or those descended from migrants.
We cannot afford to kick out those workers or ban future migrants from any of those places. None local will fill those job numbers.
Similar policies the Usa is doing now is starting to bite them in the ass as those farms and factories wont be able to meet the demands asked of them. If Nz did that with agriculture and manufacturing and the military ect we'd be even more in the poo than we are now.
What you have given me is a justification for why you think I am wrong and is based on the set of values that you have which is a spiritual justification for maintaining immigration numbers.
No one can justify immigrating a hundred thousand people a year because they're cynical and they don't believe in god. No one can give a justification for why immigration is wrong besides believe me bro it's really good. When asked if immigration is wrong they just bite the bullet and say it's not wrong. No argument besides it's not wrong.
I think that we are a product of both genes and the environment just like alcoholism. We can have a propensity towards alcoholism but if no alcohol is present then we don't need to worry about alcoholics.
It's the exact same analogy as environment vs genetics. I do think that I have a propensity towards some types of behaviours such as "if I was raised by a leftist" then perhaps I would engage in a more leftwing attitude for awhile until I begin to question things.
Now I didn't come to my father's view completely because he taught it to me.
I came to my father's view because when I rebelled against it there was disaster. In my younger years I was a delinquent who moved away from god and practiced promiscuity. My fall wasn't so terrible that I began doing ram raids but it was bad enough that I became a part of the world that is the apparatus of the delinquent parts of the world. I didn't care about much. Nothing was important to me. It was a very nyelistic mindset and most of it was based purely around materialistic goals and the idea of self gain.
In other words there was nothing that I was engaging in growing up in New Zealand that wasn't completely selfish and self-centred in retrospect.
My partner and kids brought me back into line. It was rocky to start with but most importantly she didn't give up on me. When she met me my partner wouldn't have considered me as a Christian nationalist. She probably would have said that I was a self-centred pagan jerk that didn't like to wear condoms.
The overall point is that as far as values and cultural norms go, kiwis don't care about family values and structures as long as they can be liberal and free to do whatever they want to do.
I think that when there are people with that kind of faith in someone with that kind of trust and faith being that heavily placed upon someone it makes it hard not to categorise things in life different. And one of the first things that has to be re-categorised is that it's not all about me. It really isn't about us when there are women and children involved. There are other aspects of life that transcend what we might want New Zealand to be.
But the idea that the nation puts so much faith in political leadership in that way politics must lead in those situations and is the kind of trust that would bring faith back to New Zealand. And for the most part it's probably the first time kiwis would have heard a language like that. For some they might hear that language by enlisting into the military. For others the private sector.
So going back to it Men speak a language that boys don't know what it sounds like and the language is why I should enlist in the military instead of the private sector because we want to be the fun guy enjoying ourselves at parties instead of joining the military and culturally speaking immigration is more complex than that but this is a massive failure of parenting so it's a very complex web and immigration is bringing murderers and crocks into New Zealand but they've got rough backgrounds for sure.
So we can't do the advice without really knowing and understanding immigration on a case by case standard because immigrants can be given advice that is really damaging to them without knowing immigrants inside and out and second I would say that there are a lot of really complicated factors and I would assess all of those factors because most immigrants do not work out and that's a fact. Living standards are reducing. There are outliers but there is a lot of pain and agony that goes into being an immigrant and there's a lot of rewards too but there's a lot of agony.
The truth is most immigrants don't work well. They just don't. That doesn't mean though that they can't and if they fall in love then they should pursue that. It just means that you should be aware of what the risks are and assess each immigrant accordingly because there is going to be all sorts of baggage bringing in such high numbers of low wage immigrant's if they don't have children after arriving but also there are all sorts of perks that come with that those relationships and linkages come with by thinking outside of themselves and aren't quite so narcissistic because they think that other people who they have to take care of has to graduate into New Zealand.
