The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych · Friday at 8:19 PM

Some reactions to the “new plan”:

Of course, there are also these guys, not without them:

Amazingly, it seems that there is quite bit of “positive” feedback from more reasonable analysts. I am surprised to see that, frankly. Perhaps, most see now where this is heading if it keeps going. Will post a few more things later on.

KipPotapych · Saturday at 2:39 AM

What Putins actually said in regard to the “plan”:

We see that, since the talks in Alaska, there’s been a certain pause on the American side. And we know this is connected to Ukraine’s de facto rejection of the peace plan proposed by President Trump. I believe that this is precisely why a new version appeared — essentially, a modernized plan now consisting of 28 points.

We have this document. We received it through existing channels of communication with the American administration. I believe that it, too, could serve as the basis for a final peace settlement. But it has not been discussed with us in any substantive way. And I can guess why.

The reason, I believe, is the same — the U.S. administration has so far failed to secure Ukraine’s approval. Ukraine is against it.
It seems that Ukraine and its European allies still harbor illusions and continue to dream of dealing a strategic defeat to Russia on the battlefield. I think this position is driven not so much by a lack of competence (I won’t get into that right now), but more likely by a lack of objective information about the actual situation on the battlefield.

Source: In his first public comments, Putin says Trump’s 28-point peace plan wasn’t discussed ‘substantively’ with Moscow but could serve as ‘basis for a final peace settlement’ — Meduza

He clearly expects a rejection from Ukraine, as well as Euros. He probably isn’t wrong. My question is: what are the expectations from the Russian side here? Are they supposed to accept it, as it is clearly expected from Ukraine? Is it, as Putin suggests, something to be accepted by the Ukrainian side and then negotiated further with the Russians (more concessions)? There is no sufficient clarity on what the expectations entail at this point. What if Ukraine agrees and Russia rejects? They are pressing on and, like I said above, in my opinion, things are going to get progressively worse for Ukraine as time goes by. There are no silver linings here, just grim reality.

I asked at least a couple of times in the last few post about what people think the/an alternative is and don’t see any ideas being thrown around. I also asked what if this is as good as it gets? This is a very serious question. It does not appear that many considering this to be the actual case. I have no idea why. Like Mr Tenzer I cited above, some believe there can be no peace plan with Russia. Some still believe that it ends when Russia leaves all Ukrainian territory:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1991888091456397656

The general attitude towards her remark appears to be “she has more balls than most manly politicians”. I’d call it amateur and shortsighted, to put it mildly.

Then there is this idea of “keep bleeding Russians” that orgs like ISW keep insisting on:

Do Ukrainians not bleed in the process? It is obvious that they are taking heavy casualties, often probably equal or (likely) higher than the Russians during the attempts to stabilize the front. One cannot have it both ways, this much should be clear to any reasonable person.

There is also this idea of providing Ukraine with long-range strike capabilities with no limitations (Tomahawks?). Ok, let’s do that. Then what? Russia has been pounding Ukraine for years now and Ukraine is still able to produce, repair, fight, etc. No one can provide even a remotely close amount of missiles, whatever they may be, to inflict more meaningful damage to a much bigger country with a lot more depth in… well, in everything. Russia is not even half mobilized, which is another factor people dismiss for whatever reason. I just fail to find a way to follow this thought process.

There are other ideas, many completely ridiculous. My question is, again, what is next? What happens if Ukraine literally fails and in shambles? What do we do? Is there such a contingency in the calculations?

On the other hand, however unlikely, what happens if the Russian forces start to crumble and there is a repeat of mid- to late 2022? Is there a contingency for that unfolding and everything that it may bring along?

Some are back to the sacrificing their own children agenda in 3 to 4 years:

It’s like we made a(nother) full circle now, still lacking any strategy. So let’s prepare for war “in 3 to 4 years”, but what is of Ukraine?

Of course, there is also the “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine” nonsense. Tusk now adds Poland since it has been mentioned in the “plan”:

Again, I fail to follow the thought process here. Unless one has the capabilities to sustain the Ukrainian fight, one does not get to choose what is decided and who gets to participate in the decision making. This is trivial stuff a child could process (perhaps, children face this reality on the daily basis, so it becomes a trivial understanding of the reality?). Of course, one can choose dignity over all else and go with that. Hardly admirable or worthy of respect in this case. Dumb, sure, but what else is new?

Anyway, some thoughts over a beer from a semi-comfortable chair (I am not much different from the other guys!).

Side note from an unexpected angle:

Gotta be buying some brownie/political points from someone. Not sure where he is getting his numbers from either since even Zelensky assessed it as a “million-man army”, which was an exaggeration and probably included everyone wearing (or entitled to) any kind of uniform in Ukraine.

crest · Saturday at 4:15 AM

I don't think the no n.a.t.o troops clause the way it is written will pass as it would still allow NATO member states to be present. Along with security guarantees that looks alot like NATO in all but name. Considering British and French wish to put troops in Ukraine as soon as the ink is dry. from Russia's point of view this does nothing to solve there fundamental issues and cause for war.

I also don't think the de facto Russian recognition is enough well Russia may not actually be able to change that at least in countries there not at war with, I'm sure they won't accept the part that allows another country to dictate were the Russian army can or cannot be placed on territory Russia considers it's own. Especially with the clause that if it does the treaty is void.

According to how it's written legally a country that doesn't recognise the territory as truly Russian only Russian occupied Ukraine (de facto as opposed to de jour), could enter that territory in support of Ukrainian partisans or peacekeeping or even just position a army aggressively on the boarder and if Russia responds all sanctions are installed again and all recognition is lost. Conveniently there is also a large Ukraine army with several NATO member states right there and no peace treaty Infact they would all consider Russia to be occupying a alies countries territory with no probation against them taking it back. This peace plan allows that possibility.

There is other issues ith the proposal but I think those alone are enough to sink it at least from the Russian side. I think Putin considering his legal background isn't going to sign anything unless it's iron clad legally speaking in addressing Russia's security concerns over Ukraine. It's no secret that Russian trust in the intentions of the west has almost completely evaporated

That's not to say it can't be the starting point of negotiations but there is almost no chance of them going anywhere if the intent of the peace plan isnt to resolve the fundamental reason the war was started. It's also naive to think at this point the war will stop untill that issue is resolved in one way or another. That boat has already been sunk.

The boarders may be debatable but I don't think the military potential in Ukraine is. And from this proposal it doesn't look like the side that is currently lossing is willing to accept the other side's basic position that ukraine will not in any way be a military threat to Russia. Expecting Russia to suddenly decide that there security concerns are no longer a issue after 4 years of war because the main financer of the war against them considers it to expensive and is willing to stop it's support for the war if Russia also gives up it's reason for the war is unrealistic
It's also unrealistic to ignore that ukraine has a say in this, true they won't be going against the United States so long as the arms and money flow. And it is in there interest to take any deal they can to end a war they are lossing. You can't ignore that there is still a large and militant faction that is not going to take any peace deal well if they regard it as loss for Ukraine. And that Is a security issue for both Ukraine and Russia

It's Just my two cents but this doesn't seem like a serious attempt at a lasting peace.
It's a plan that honestly seems to only solve the problems America has with the war and somehow manages to demand both countries leave there fundamental issues unresolved and make reparations to the u.s in order to do so. It's quite odd in that respect.

Feanor · Saturday at 1:24 PM

Update.

Sumy area.

Russian drones double-tap either a howitzer or a decoy. It's being claimed as an FH-70.

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Russian drones hit the village of Velikaya Chernechina, relatively close to the front lines.

Северокорейские саперы в процессе разминирования территории Курской области, освобожденной от ВСУ. Судя по кадрам, солдаты КНДР используют российское снаряжение, в том числе саперные костюмы ОВР-2-02. Военный Осведомитель

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И еще немного постановочных кадров работы северокорейских саперов в Курской области. Отдельно порадовали красные комсомольские книжки для записи мыслей, посещавших бойца в течении дня, чтобы в последующем обсудить их на политзанятии. Военный Осведомитель

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Видео с саперами армии КНДР, принимающими участие в разминировании приграничья Курской области, в ходе чего применяются роботы «Уран-6» и «Сталкер-ИВ». На кадрах можно заметить процесс предварительного дообучения северокорейских саперов на российских полигонах перед отправкой в приграничье...

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Kharkov area.

Russian forces are still pushing forward in Volchansk. They've taken the last industrial structures to the south, and are pushing east-ward into the last suburbs. They've also taken Tsegel'noe, and are now approaching Volch'ye.

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1365: Situation north of Kharkov: During the last 48 hours Russian army continued the advances at the southern part of Vovchansk town: the street of Fontanna was completely taken while combats at the intersection between Proletarska & Hurkanivska streets continue. In...

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1364: Situation north of Kharkov: During the last four days Russian Army took full control over Tsehelne industrial facilities & the adjacent quarry. Map: [...

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Бойцы штурмового отряда 9-го полка 18-ой гвардейской мотострелковой дивизии группировки войск «Север» освободили населенный пункт Двуречанское в Харьковской области. Соловьёв в Max | ✍ Соловьёв в Telegram

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Russian drone strikes near Kupyansk. One hits a Ukrainian M113 near one of the crossings south of Kupyansk, one hits a BMP-1 on the side of the road (possibly immobilized), 1 hits an Ural truck, 2 hit a GAZ-66, the same one I think, 6 SUV/pickups are hit, and 1 KAMAZ truck. It's interesting that in some of the clips you can see other vehicles, already disabled. Ukrainian forces in Kupyansk may not be fully encircled, but their logistics certainly are in bad shape. Some sources suggest that this may have been a single large column trying to reach the crossing to Kupyansk-Uzlovoy.

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Colonelcassad

Купянское направление Уничтожение техники ВСУ на переправе.

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Разнос колонны укро-вояк под Купянском от 6 армии В районе н.п. Моначиновка дроноводы размотали технику ВСУ, направлявшуюся для прорыва «Купянского котла». Итог предсказуем: добрые птички нашей армии сожгли всю колонну вместе с боевиками, планировавшими пойти в отчаянный «контрнахрюк»...

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Купянское направление, живая сила противника сгруппировалась на обочине в ожидании чего-то, это российское оптоволоконное FPV-чего-то не заставило себя долго ждать. Осведомитель

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Russian drones hit 5 Ukrainian BMP-1s reportedly on the northern side of Kupyansk-Uzlovoy along the rail way.

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Наши бойцы сорвали контратаку ВСУ в Купянске, уничтожены 5 БМП ▪️Дроноводы 6-й армии группировки «Запад» выявили скопление техники врага на северной окраине поселка Купянск-Узловой. ▪️Ударами FPV-дронов уничтожены 5 замаскированных БМП врага, располагавшихся вдоль ж/д путей и дороги в...

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Ukrainian artillery striking the bread factory in Kupyansk.

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ВСУ публикуют кадры артиллерийского обстрела хлебозавода в Купянске, подтверждая контроль ВС РФ над территорией предприятия. @ukrainian_guide

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Russian drones targeting Ukrainian floats on the Oskol river.

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Удары FPV-дронов по украинским плотам, используемым для снабжения и эвакуации через реку Оскол в Купянске. Видео: @operationall_space Военный Осведомитель

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Russian 288th Arty Bde operating Kub loitering munitions, Kupyansk area.

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Russian sources report Courier UGVs being used in Kupyansk. This is one of those projects that started with volunteers, but it's getting wider acceptance.

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ЛУГАНСК, 18 ноя - РИА Новости. Российские бойцы начали применять при освобождении Купянска новые наземные робототехнические комплексы (НРТК) "Курьер" отечественного производства, позволяющие как вести огонь, так и эвакуировать раненых, рассказал РИА Новости военнослужащий Ленинградского...

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Oskol front.

Russian forces have broken through south-west past Borovskaya Andreevka towards Novoplatonovka. Russian forces are trying to bypass stubborn Ukrainian defenses in Zagryzovo.

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1366: Situation on Borivska front: During the last two weeks Russian Army took control over new positions west of Borivska Andriivka & is approaching to the outskirts of Novoplatonivka. On the other hand, Ukrainian Army recaptured the recently lost trench system north...

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Feanor · Saturday at 1:24 PM

Krasniy Liman area.

Russian forces have retaken Yampol', and a chunk of the northern shore of the Severskiy Donets river. Russia also pushed through the forest, south-east of the lakes, to the road Krasniy Liman - Seversk. The grey area inside Liman is also expanding. Russian forces also pushing north-west out of Srednee, towards Koroviy Yar and have taken Novoselovka. North-east of Liman Russian forces have taken Stavki and a chunk of fields along the road west of it.

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1367: Situation north of Donetsk & Lyman fronts: After one & a half month of battles Russian Army managed to capture completely the locality of Novoselivka. In addition, after one month of battles Russian forces captured most of the locality of Stavky. Map: [...

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1366: Situation north of Donetsk & Zvanovskaya fronts: Russian army took complete control of Yampil (combing operations are already taking place there) and began combing the northern bank of the Donets River west of the locality after Ukrainian army withdrew...

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Нанесен удар по Славянской ТЭС в н.п. Николаевка. После удара в Краматорске и Славянске проблемы с электроснабжением.

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Some of the destruction in the city of Kostyantynivka as a result of extensive Russian FAB, artillery, MLRS, and drone strikes.

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Штурмовики ВС РФ были замечены на дороге из Гришино, примыкающей к ключевой трассе Т0515, ведущей из Покровска через Родинское. Судя по опубликованным кадрам противника, украинские дроны наносят удары по российской пехоте возле ангаров агропромышленной компании «АПК-Инвест», расположенных как...

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Russia hits a Ukrainian BMP-2 near Grishino.

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Чертовски невезучий механик-водитель БМП-2 ВСУ в объективе оптоволоконного FPV-дрона «КВН» центра «Рубикон». Но обо всем по порядку. Дроноводов «Рубикона» в ходе боевого вылета в районе н.п. Гришино сперва заприметил в качестве цели турецкий бронеавтомобиль «Kirpi», однако его внимание быстро...

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Russia hits a BvS-10 near Rodinskoe.

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Уничтожение двухзвенного гусеничного броневездехода BvS 10 Viking в районе населенного пункта Родинское на Покровском направлении. Осведомитель

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Russian Tornado-S strike on the northern outskirts of Pokrovsk.

Водружение российского флага на шахте в Димитрове. Украинский флаг снят и выброшен. Скоро во всем остальном Димитрове так будет.

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Шахта Мирнограда наша В предыдущем срезе обстановки в Покровско-Мирноградской агломерации отметили, что Мирноград постепенно переходит под наш контроль. Южная часть города практически освобождена. Сейчас идёт активная зачистка остатков противника, которые отказались сдаться и укрываются в...

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As Russian forces consolidate control over Pokrovsk footage starts to emerge from Russian forces walking the streets. We can gauge the state of the town.

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Обстановка в Доброполье. Как только закончат с Красноармейской агломерацией и Гришино, как раз им наши войска сейчас занятые освобождением Красноармейска и Мирнограда и займутся. Доброполье - один из последних крупных населенных пунктов западного Донбасса, который еще остается под нацистской...

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Feanor · Saturday at 1:25 PM

Dnepropetrovsk area.

Russia has taken most of Novopavlovka, crossing the Volchya.

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1364: Situation on Novopavlovskaya front: During the last three days Russian Army continued the advances inside Novopavlivka crossing Solona River & captured some positions at the northern shore thus moving the battles towards the warehouses. Map: [...

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1361: Situation on Novopavlovskaya front: Russian Army captured new parts of Novopavlivka while Ukrainian Army continued the withdrawal towards the next defense line. Map: [...

Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1357: Situation on Velikomikhailovskaya & Huliaipole fronts: Russian Army took control over the locality of Novouspenivske & captured a series of positions west of it & south of Solodke thus reaching the localities of Rivnopillya & Yablukove, which are about to be...

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Russian drone strikes near Gulyaypole target an armored car, a SUV, and an ATV. As the front approaches the city, logistics have become compromised.

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Плодотворная работа операторов 14 гвардейской бригады спецназа группировки войск "Восток" на Гуляйпольском направлении. Разведчики сожгли бронемашину, пикап с РЭБ и квадрокоптер. @voin_dv

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Battle damage is starting to accumulate in Gulyaypole. The town has been near the front lines for a while.

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Гуляйполе. Видео со стороны противника. С юго-востока от города фронт находится достаточно недалеко от окраин, но в основном статичен. А вот с северо-востока надвигается нешуточная угроза. Бои за город могут начаться уже этой зимой.

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Zaporozhye.

Russian forces have gained more ground in Malaya Tokmachka. They're still inching forward, and the village may fall soon.

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1362: Situation on Orikhiv front: Over the last three weeks, fighting in Mala Tokmachka between Russian Army and Ukrainian Army has continued with relative intensity. During this time, Russian forces have managed to consolidate their position in the center of the town...

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Russian drone srtikes on Ukrainian infantry near Stepnogorsk.

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Кадры поражения группы украинских военнослужащих в районе Степногорска оператором оптоволоконного FPV-дрона ВС РФ. Трём не поздоровилось, один успел забежать за угол подстанции. Осведомитель

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Russian Strela-10 operations in Zaporozhye region.

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Расчет ЗРК «Стрела-10М» 5-й отдельной танковой бригады 36-й общевойсковой армии группировки войск «Восток» уничтожил новейший беспилотный летательный аппарат ВСУ «Батяр» над Запорожской областью. Танковая бригада|Подписаться Предложить новость ⚡ Продвинуть канал

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Dnepr front.

Rusian small boat on the Dnepr gets spotted by a Ukrainian observer drone and targeted by multiple FPVs. The occupants fire back with shotguns, and rifles. Surprisingly the boat survives, quite likely due to effective maneuvering by the driver.

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Невероятный по своей динамичности и напряженности эпизод разыгрался на реке Днепр, в ходе которого наших бойцов на моторной лодке срисовала «птичка» противника и передала информацию операторам FPV-дронов. Ну, дальше только смотреть. Надо отдать должное бойцу за «штурвалом», грамотные маневры...

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Реалии службы на катерах на Днепре. Российские бойцы плотным огнем из автоматов, дробовиков и пулеметов отбиваются от непрекращающихся налетов украинских FPV-дронов, часть из которых наносят удары в считанных метрах и даже сантиметрах от лодок. Однако, так везет не всем. Видео: @razvedosaa...

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Russian drone strikes on apparently a Ukrainian small boat, which they chase to the shore, and finish off with drone drops.

Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️ Под Херсоном уничтожен десант ВСУ ▪️Подразделения войск беспилотных систем 61-й бригады морской пехоты обнаружили плавсредство с десантом на борту. ▪️Точным ударом FPV-дрона лодка была уничтожена. ▪️После этого сбросом накрыли место эвакуации врага. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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Russia's shortage of SAMs continues. We have an Osa SAM using the old version of the missile, and the naval version at that, from the ground TELAR. This actually leads to a strange situation where late-Soviet era SAMs run low, newer missiles get used like the new Strela missile, and also significantly older ones too. This SAM belongs to the Dnepr front forces.

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Боевая работа расчёта ЗРК 9К33М3 «Оса-АКМ» 18-й общевойсковой армии группировки войск «Днепр» в Херсонской области. Военный Осведомитель

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Anti-drone netting on the streets of Kherson. There are more civilians visible then I would have thought.

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Одна из улиц Херсона, закрытая антидроновыми сетками. Военный Осведомитель

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Противодроновые сети на улицах Херсона. Осведомитель

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Black Sea/Crimea.

Ukraine hits Russian UAV basing facilities in Crimea. They normally contain Orion-S drones.

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Удары украинских дронов-камикадзе по ангарам на территории аэродрома Кировское в Крыму, в которых базируются разведывательно-ударные БПЛА "Орион". На кадрах от прилетающих дронов вслед за уже попавшими каких-то разрушений или очагов возгораний нет. Военный Осведомитель

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Feanor · Saturday at 1:25 PM

Strikes.

Russian strikes on Kiev. Targets include TEC-5. In at least one case Ukrainian air defenses hit a residential building. At least one Iskander missile was successfully intercepted.

A large fire is burning in Sumy after a Zircon missile impacted the city.

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А это уже ночной Харьков. С мест сообщают что помимо прилетов по военным, так же были прилеты по объектам энергетики используемыми укронацистами. UPD: После ударов ВС РФ по объектам энергетики в ряде областей Украины введены аварийные отключения света, заявили в Укроминэнерго

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️По объектам врага в Харькове ударили 18 «Гераней». ▪️Зафиксированы попадания по объектам инфраструктуры в Слободском и Основянском районах. ▪️В Слободском районе поражены 4 локации, есть разрушения инфраструктуры и пожары. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️Стрельба и 20 взрывов: Харьков под массированной атакой ▪️Харьков под ударом дронов — в городе прозвучали взрывы, предварительно в Слободском районе, — заявил мэр Терехов. ▪️Информация о последствиях уточняется. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️ "Герани" наносят удары по объектам врага в Харькове ▪️В городе раздалась серия мощных взрывов. ▪️Густой дым поднимается с места прилета. ▪️Местный гаулятер сообщает о поражении производственного предприятия. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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В Харькове "входящие".С мест сообщают о работе БПЛА

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Russia hit a gas compressor station and a substation in Limanovka, Kharkov region.

Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️ Светло как днем: кадры мощнейшего ночного пожара в Лимановке (Панютино) Харьковской области ▪️Горела газокомпрессорная станция врага после ударов "Гераней". ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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AMK Mapping

Last night, approximately 15 Russian Geran-2 drones attacked the town of Lymanivka, Kharkiv Oblast. The drones targeted a joint facility containing a gas compressor station and a 110 kV electrical substation. A large fire broke out as a result. Coordinates: 48.93854, 36.26079

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️Огненный факел взмыл в небо и ночь стала днём под Харьковом: атакована газовая инфраструктура врага ➖"Ночь буквально стала днем на Харьковщине: россияне атаковали газовую инфраструктуру", - пишут местные ресурсы. ▪️Появились кадры огромного пожара на месте ударов в Лимановке. Продолжается...

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Последствия удара дронов-камикадзе «Герань-2» по газокомпрессорной станции в посёлке Лимановка Лозовского района Харьковской области. Военный Осведомитель

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Dambiev

Последствия удара русских "Гераней" по объекту энергетики в н.п. Лимановка Харьковской области сегодня ночью.

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Russia hit Berestyn, Kharkov region with Iskanders and Shaheds. It's possible they were targeting local gas infrastructure.

‼️Взрывы, стрельба и огромный пожар: массированная атака на объекты врага в Павлограде ▪️На видео моменты прилётов в Павлограде Днепропетровской области - несколько попаданий в одно место. ▪️Есть ПОПАДАНИЯ по энергетической инфраструктуре, в регионе перебои с электричеством. ⚠️Подписаться на...

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В Павлограде "Герани" наносят удар. В городе гремят взрывы. Местные сообщают, что начались перебои со светом. @The_Wrong_Side

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Russia hit Vasil'kovka, Dnepropetrovsk region. They've been hitting this area a lot lately.

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Dambiev

Субботний удар русских "Гераней" по объекту украинской критической инфраструктуры в н.п. Васильковка Днепропетровской области.

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Прилёты прошедшей ночью по Васильковке Днепропетровской области.

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Russia hit Dnepropetrovsk. Targets include the rail station, a TV center, and a radio tower.

Ночная работа БПЛА Герань в промзоне Днрпропетровска, в результате прилетов огромный пожар

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️Массированная атака на Днепропетровск: гремят взрыв за взрывом ▪️"Герани" поражают вражеские объекты в Днепропетровске и области. ▪️Прогремело уже более 10 взрывов. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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It appears Russian caught out a Neptune cruise missile TEL in Dnepropetrovsk region and hit it. The TEL was likely involved in one of the recent strikes.

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Last night's Iskander-M ballistic missile strike on Mykolaivka, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, targeted a Ukrainian Neptune cruise missile launcher.

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️ Комбинированным ударом уничтожены пусковые установки, которыми враг бил по территории России ▪️"Искандер" и "Герани" накрыли огневую позицию американских РСЗО Himars и пусковых установок ракетного комплекса "Нептун" у Васильевского Днепропетровской области. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX |...

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Russia hit Starokonstantinovka airbase with Kinzhals and at least one missed by ~144m. It's possible it was intercepted and downed, or EW managed to do something to the guidance, or the missile has accuracy issues.

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Russia hit Cherkasy, targeting Cherkasy city, Uman' and Zvenigorodovka.

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Overnight, Cherkasy Oblast came under attack from Russian Geran-2 drones. Impacts were recorded in/near Cherkasy City, Uman (possibly at the airbase), and Zvenyhorodka. The exact targets are currently unknown, but some of the drones in Cherkasy City hit on the outskirts.

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Russia hits Odessa, targets unclear. Links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.

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«Герани» наносят удары по цели в Одессе. Военный Осведомитель

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Под вечер в Одессе фиксируются прилёты "Гераней"

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Сообщают о прилетах в Ильичевске Одесской области. А так же о попытках сбития.

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Ильичевск один прилёт БПЛА был в районе порта, а второй в результате сбития украинским ППО упал в районе рынка.

Дроны-камикадзе «Герань-2» атаковали СЭС «Староказачье» и подстанцию 110 кВ в селе Староказачье Одесской области. Местные ресурсы сообщают об аварийных отключениях электричества в некоторых районах области. Военный Осведомитель

Last night, a massive Russian Geran-2 drone attack was carried out on the city of Izmail, Odesa Oblast. At least 35 drones took part, flying in two large groups of 20 and 15. Around 12 were shot down. ~23 drones impacted the "Etalon" 110 kV electrical substation at 45.35423, 28.80395, resulting...

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Russia hit Ternopol'. They targeted the Orion radio-electronics factory, but at least one cruise missile also hit a residential building close to the factory, causing massive damage. 26 civilians are reported killed, 91 wounded. Russian sources speculate that the issue was incorrectly input terrain data, that caused the missile to hit the building.

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Отключения света в Виннице.На севере Украины продолжаются постоянные отключения света из-за последствий ударов,, а также аварий порожденных последствиями ударов.

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Russia hit L'vov. Targets include storage facilities and a mail facility. Blackouts are reported.

Прилёт Герани этим утром в Львовской области по объекту противника

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Feanor · Saturday at 1:25 PM

Ukraine intercepting multiple Russian Shahed drones.

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Подборка кадров перехвата "Гераней" украинскими зенитными FPV-дронами. Очевидно, что система уклонений нужна и для них. Военный Осведомитель

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It appears the Ukrainian Patriot battery that used to be at Zhulyani airport, is now at the former 6th Training Ground near Kiev.

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Позиционный район ЗРК «Patriot» под Киевом на территории бывшего 6-го полигона. Координаты: 50.35642841952491, 30.535722447867975 Предположительно, это «Патриоты», переехавшие с территории аэропорта «Жуляны». На объекте сосредоточено 6 пусковых установок. Осведомитель

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Ukrainian MANPADS team apparently downing a Russian cruise missile.

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Rear-view cameras have started appearing on Shahed drones, presumably linked to some sort of evasion flight pattern programming.

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AMK Mapping

⚡️ Ukraine reports the appearance of rear-view cameras on "Geran-2" type kamikaze drones, located on the upper and lower planes of the drone. Video from the installed cameras is transmitted to the crews via a radio modem, the presence of which can be identified by the corresponding antennas on...

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A look at a large Russian drone launching facility in Orlov region. It's apparently large enough to house 500 drones, with 15 hangars and 93 "garages" for drones.

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Ресурсы противника публикуют спутниковые снимки пускового участка российских дронов в районе н.п. Цимбулова Орловской области. Совокупно на объекте находятся 15 ангаров и как минимум 93 гаража для хранения различных дронов, 20 из которых расположены рядом с 8-ю стационарными пусковыми...

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Ukraine targeted Voronezh with ATACMS missiles and it appears they were intercepted. Russian MoD then released footage of them hitting two M270s that were allegedly involved in the strike but the footage is old, it's from last year. The start of the video appears to be a real shot of them spotted, but the video of the strike is the inserted old footage.

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Украинские дроны-камикадзе атаковали Зуевскую ТЭС в городе Зугрэс ДНР. Военный Осведомитель

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️‍☠Враг атаковал Зуевскую ТЭС в Зугрэсе в ДНР ▪️Часть республики без электричества. ▪️В Макеевке и Донецке мигал свет, Иловайск без света ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

‼️‍☠️Враг атаковал лицей-интернат и жилые дома в Донецке ▪️В результате атаки ударных БПЛА зафиксировано повреждение Республиканского многопрофильного лицея-интерната «Григорьевская школа» по пр. Богдана Хмельницкого, сообщил мэр города А. Кулемзин. ▪️По предварительной информации, в результате...

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Последствия удара дрона в стену 16-ти этажного жилого дома в Ленинском районе Донецка. Повреждено остекление минимум в 5 соседних домах @WarInMyEyes

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Ukraine hit power grid substations in the city of Samara and the Novokuybyshev oil refinery near Samara.

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Multiple Ukrainian UAVs attacked Samara Oblast, targeting an electrical substation outside the city limits. At least one impact was recorded, resulting in a fire breaking out afterwards. The distance from the nearest Ukrainian-controlled territory is around 930 km.

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Ukraine hit the Saratov oil refinery.

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Last night, the Saratov Oil Refinery once again came under attack from Ukrainian long-range UAVs. At least two impacts were recorded, resulting in a large fire breaking out.

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Прошедшей ночью Саратовский НПЗ подвергся повторной атаке украинских дронов-камикадзе. Кадры опубликованы украинскими каналами. Военный Осведомитель

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Ukraine hit an oil terminal in the Novorossiysk port. It appears to have caused substantial damage. Nonetheless loading of ships resumed after a couple of days. This has been a pattern for long range strikes against infrastructure by both sides. The damage tends to cause a disruption, but not destruction of the target. Only many repeated and massive strikes work.

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Украинские дроны-камикадзе атаковали нефтяной терминал «Шесхарис» в Новороссийске. Кадры сняты местными жителями и опубликованы украинскими каналами. Военный Осведомитель

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️‍☠️Враг 1,5 часа атакует Новороссийск: горит нефтебаза ▪️В Новороссийске в результате атаки вражеских БПЛА повреждена нефтебаза на перевалочном комплексе «Шесхарис». Также повреждены береговые сооружения. На месте находятся специалисты оперативных служб. По предварительным данным пострадавших...

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Спутниковые снимки последствий ракетно-дронового налёта противника на нефтебазе комплекса «Шесхарис» в Новороссийске в ночь с 13 на 14 ноября. В результате налёта объект получил ряд если не критических, то весьма серьёзных повреждений, что вывело его из строя со сроком не менее чем на полгода...

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AMK Mapping

Additional satellite imagery reveals the damage to the Sheskharis oil transshipment complex in Novorossiysk. The oil transshipment elements, oil measuring systems, and technological pipelines suffered significant damage.

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Последствия ударов ВСУ по нефтяному терминалу «Шесхарис» в Новороссийске в ночь на 14 ноября. Как утверждает Reuters, в результате ударов был приостановлен как экспорт нефти из порта Новороссийска, так и поставки нефти в направлении порта. «Шесхарис» является одним из ключевых нефтеналивных...

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Ukraine hit a Russian S-400 position from reportedly the 1537th SAM Rgt near Novorossiysk with drones. 4 TELs and 2 radars were hit.

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Последствия атаки украинских дронов-камикадзе на НПЗ «Орскнефтеоргсинтез» в Орске Оренбургской области. Кадры сняты местными жителями и опубликованы украинскими каналами. Военный Осведомитель

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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны

‼️‍☠️Враг атакует Оренбургскую область ▪️Противник публикует кадры налёта дронов на НПЗ «Орскнефтеоргсинтез», находящийся в Оренбургской области в 1 500 км от границы, — это один из ведущих нефтеперерабатывающих заводов России. ⚠️Подписаться на RV: MAX | t.me/RVvoenkor

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Ukrainian inbounds downed over Orel, allegedly one of them is the new Flamingo cruise missile.

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Момент падения обломков, предположительно, ракеты FP-5 «Фламинго», сбитой в небе над Орлом сегодня ночью. Обломки упали на парковку возле жилых домов. Военный Осведомитель

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AMK Mapping

Last night, Ukrainian Flamingo cruise missiles attacked the Oryol Thermal Power plant in Oryol Oblast. The number of missiles used is unknown, but it is known that 1 missile impacted and 1 was intercepted.

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We have our first video of the launch of the new long range Neptune cruise missile, Ukrainian. This might be the same TEL we saw hit above.

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Первое видео запуска крылатой ракеты «Длинный Нептун» из модифицированной пусковой установки на шасси Tatra. Ожидаемо, что из-за увеличение длины самих ракет, была удлинена как база пусковой установки, так и транспортно-пусковые контейнеры под новые «Нептуны». Военный Осведомитель

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Первое распространенное украинской стороной видео пуска дальнобойной крылатой ракеты "Длинный Нептун", позволяющее увидеть облик пусковой установки на удлиненном автомобильном шасси Tatra 815-7

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AMK Mapping

⚡ This is our first look at the "Long Neptune" missile launcher. It is obviously larger to accomodate the larger missile. This is likely a variant of the Tatra chassis also used for the Bogdana self-propelled gun. It seems each launcher can only fire 2 missiles at once compared to the 4 in the...

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And apparently a video of Ukraine launching the new Flamingo cruise missile.

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Момент запуска нескольких ракет FP-5 «Фламинго» по территории России сегодня ночью. Как минимум одна из них была перехвачена ПВО в небе над Орлом. На кадрах заметы характерные пусковые установки на базе полуприцепа, продемонстрированные ранее в цеху (1, 2) и во время испытаний (1, 2)...

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Russian air defense teams firing.

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Схемы и карты военных действий

Эффектное сбитие вражеского БпЛА донбасской мобильной огневой группой. Второй рубеж ПВО на пути вражеских дронов, атакующих глубинную Россию. Схемы и карты

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Ночная работа мобильной огневой группы по низколетящим дронам противника. Собственно, существенная часть дронов противника сбивается именно такими группами. Недавнее решение военно-политического руководства о наборе добровольцев в таких огневые группы позволит нарастить их количество и снизит...

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Another Russian Yak-52B modified for drone defense with electro-optics.

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Feanor · Saturday at 1:25 PM

Interesting bits.

A Ukrainian drone interceptor attempts to engage a Russian Mi-28 helicopter over Russia. The outcome is unclear.

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Попытка сбития Ми-28 ВКС РФ дроном-камикадзе FP-2 украинских ССО, как заявляется, в районе села Кутейниково Ростовской области. Расстояние около 190 км от линии фронта. Результат неизвестен. Военный Осведомитель

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Трофейная немецкая БРЭМ Bergepanzer 2, захваченная у ВСУ на Донбассе. Машина создана на шасси танка Leopard 1 и добронирована во лбу динамической защитой «Контакт-1». Военный Осведомитель

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A Russian BRDM-2MS in the war. This is a pre-war export-oriented project, but with plenty of old BRDM-2s in storage, and an armored repair plant that can put them out, this might become a more common option. In the second link we have an unmodernized BRDM-2 with anti-drone armor.

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Отечественная БРДМ-2 с антидроновым каркасом, небольшим дикобразом и вручную вырезанными отверстиями в бортах для удобной эвакуации. Военный Осведомитель

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An interesting night photo of a Russian Orion-S, with Kornet-D ATGMs for munitions. The Kornet-D is known for having a range of ~10kms, which is very hard to make use of as a ground-launched ATGM, but is much more impactful when launched from a slow UCAV.

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Разведывательно-ударный российский БпЛА «Орион», вооружённый 2-мя ракетами с лазерной головкой самонаведения Х-БпЛА (ТКБ-1030), являющихся воздушным вариантом ПТУР «Корнет–Д». Осведомитель

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Разведывательно-ударный БПЛА «Орион» с двумя ракетами Х-БПЛА (ТКБ-1030). Военный Осведомитель

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Russia has started using either Shahed-101 or 107 drones. Presumably they're testing the type to see if they want to include it in their mix.

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Еще один логистический ослик, используемый для подноса минометных мин на линии фронта. Военный Осведомитель

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Ukraine has been doing some work in Nikolaev, installing a set of barriers against unmanned boats, similar to what Russia has done, and putting in a pontoon bridge as a backup to one of the main bridges. The concern may be that Russia can blow the bridge with an unmanned drone.

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Colonelcassad

Инженерные сооружения ВСУ. Переправа. С августа 2024 года в Николаеве понтонный мост, как резервную переправу готовят. Скорее всего это защита. Перед мостом , ниже по течению натянут длинный трос , как препятствие. Боятся, что им мост погасят морским дроном. Препятствия 46.98360 31.96176 Баржи...

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A Ukrainain Humvee with a mine trawl. Mine trawls are essential equipment in this war, and it's an area where Ukraine at least in principle should have an advantage. Russia doesn't even have mine trawls for MRAPs or BTRs. And the BMP mine trawl was never produced in large numbers.

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Украинский HMMWV с установленным катковым противоминным тралом SPARK. Военный Осведомитель

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Some good photos of Ukrainian Mirage and F-16 fighters. Note both are loaded up with AAMs, presumably to hunt Russian inbounds.

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Another KIA exchange took place, this time 30 for 1000.

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KipPotapych · 2025-11-23T15:41:33-0500

Thanks for the comprehensive update, Feanor.

While UA and USA discuss the plan, Reuters posted an alleged Euros’ counterproposal to the 28-point plan. Of course, and not unexpectedly, the plan is a nonstarter for the Russians simply due to the UA ability to join NATO and a possibility of presence of western troops in the country. Ceasefire along the current frontline should have been understood to be a nonstarter as well by now.

The increase of the UA forces from 600K to 800K is cute though. Might as well change it 20 million. What's the difference?

Demand of “robust security” guarantees can be satisfied by the Euros themselves. Demanding a mirror-like Article 5 guarantees from the US is a joke. This also risk to expose the Article 5 as a noncommittal if things were to turn sour one day and no one were willing to put their boots to protect Ukraine, which is pretty much a certainty, in my opinion. Be careful what you wish for is the case here.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/full-text-european-counter-proposal-us-ukraine-peace-plan-2025-11-23/

Also, no one still offered their view of an alternative to a bad peace offer currently on the table.

Feanor · 2025-11-23T16:15:29-0500

KipPotapych said:
Thanks for the comprehensive update, Feanor.

While UA and USA discuss the plan, Reuters posted an alleged Euros’ counterproposal to the 28-point plan. Of course, and not unexpectedly, the plan is a nonstarter for the Russians simply due to the UA ability to join NATO and a possibility of presence of western troops in the country. Ceasefire along the current frontline should have been understood to be a nonstarter as well by now.

The increase of the UA forces from 600K to 800K is cute though. Might as well change it 20 million. What's the difference?

The difference is obviously that it's better then Trump's bad plan.

All jokes aside, prewar Ukraine with much more population and intact infrastructure maintained ~250k in their armed forces and another ~100k in other state paramilitary agencies (mostly in the National Guard). With far less population and an economy in tatters, the only way Ukraine will hit the limit on a 600k military during peacetime is if they're pumped full of foreign cash for the explicit purpose of maintaining a large Ukrainian army, presumably to fight Russia.

On a different note, it appears Ukraine is done trying to reopen lines to Mirnograd. Ukrainian sources are pretending that Russia hasn't taken Pokrovsk or encircled Mirnograd, to the point it's almost an eerie alternate reality. Ukraine is no longer advancing in Rodinskoe, quite the opposite Russia is pushing them out of the last areas they still hold there. And inside the cauldron, the southern and middle nodes have fallen. Remaining Ukrainian forces are primarily focused in the northern half of Mirnograd, with Russian forces now advancing into the town from the west, as well as the north, east, and south-east. Aside from the one video of a ~platoon surrendering, we haven't had any footage of mass surrenders. We have had a few interviews on camera with Ukrainian POWs allegedly taken in Pokrovsk or Mirnograd, but given the quantities of POWs Russia has taken during this war, it would be easy to fake this. I think it's reasonable to assume that relatively few Ukrainian troops are actually trapped in the cauldron. Fighting in the area of the former salient northward has quieted down. Russia has consolidated in Shakhovo, but isn't currently trying to break out northward again. Instead it seems Russia is more focused on Grishino and the rural areas north-west of Pokrovsk. This in principle makes sense, as it would allow them to push on Dobropol'ye from the south-west, the same way they did with Pokrovsk. All of this while the Zaporozhye direction remains thoroughly bad for Ukraine. Russia is currently reaching the Gaychur river the same way they were reaching the Yanchur river about a month ago.

Hoover · 2025-11-24T03:08:16-0500

The EU plan is nonsense, and Russia won´t agree to the alterations.
The European Union presented a 24-point peace plan for Ukraine

The EU will be lucky if they will be informed about the negotiations.
The Ukraine will try to make some improvements with the USA, and the last word has Putin. And in the end Trump and Putin will make an agreement, and the Ukraine will accept. There is no real chance for the Ukraine to continue their rightful fight without the support of the US.

SolarisKenzo · 2025-11-24T05:36:59-0500

Hoover said:
The EU plan is nonsense, and Russia won´t agree to the alterations.
The European Union presented a 24-point peace plan for Ukraine

The EU will be lucky if they will be informed about the negotiations.
The Ukraine will try to make some improvements with the USA, and the last word has Putin. And in the end Trump and Putin will make an agreement, and the Ukraine will accept. There is no real chance for the Ukraine to continue their rightful fight without the support of the US.

Your view is naive, the world is not so simple.
I guess it's difficult for a non-european to understand it, but you can't exactly ignore 500 million people.
Europe is supporting Ukraine with billions of euro every month, the EU currently hosts around 10 million displaced ukrainians.
They are not in a position to be a US or Russia peer (simply because we are not a federal state) but you can't just ignore the opinion of a Union that has, by the way, nuclear weapons.

US-Russia negotiations led to absolutely nothing until now and it's not "obvious" that those will end up exactly like the ones before.
EU has interest in trying to make those negotiations fail, that's why the european counterproposal is so clearly "unacceptable".

You also have to understand that the "Trump plan" is unacceptable according to europeans, so they are simply responding to an unacceptable proposal with an equal one.

Hoover · 2025-11-24T06:41:46-0500

Oh, I am European. And I am watching how Europe is acting and how much influece it has on the conflict.
And no, it is not naive, but realistic.
From the frist day of the war "Europe" was divided into 3 fractions:
1. The ones who wanted to support the Ukraine at all costs
2. the ones who didn´t want to support Ukraine and tried to stop the efforts by the others
3. the ones who didn´t really care about the conflict

Europe on the diplomatic floor was a failure. There where no really peace plan attemps in the past 3,5 years. That blank space was filled by Trump. And why should Trump and Putin should take notice of Europe? Treump knows that without the US Ukraine will not be able to continue the fight.
Europa was anxious to implement really effective sanctions, anxiuos to take really military and diplomatic pressure on Russia.
Especially in Germany there were a strong fraction who were afraid of Russian nukes.
So, why do you think that the USA have to listen about European positions?
You are overstimateing the influence of the Europeans, I think.

Look at the 28 Points peace plan:
Kirill Dimitiyev gave the Russian 28 point plan (I call it a Russian request to surrender of the Ukraine) to Steve Witkoff and the plan was sold to the public as a Russian/US result of negotiations. Rubio hinself told, that the plan is a unique Russian request.

Of course the plan in the original version is inacceptable for Ukraine and Europe. And all changes regarding the annexion of the 5 Oblasts will be not accepted by Russia. Trump want a cease fire because he will doing Big Deals with Russia. So he tries to force the Ukraine to accept any plan, that Russia will accept, too.
Trump doesn´t care about Europe, morale or the Ukraine.

The only question in my opinion is, what will he doing if Russia denies any changes in the plan? If he stops the support Ukraine will collaps in a few weeks, due to loosing weapons, ammunitions, missing secret service informations and...morale.

And...still the supperter are not willing to assert the sanctions because of fear, that this will be an additional burden für the own economy.

rsemmes · 2025-11-24T06:50:18-0500

SolarisKenzo said:
The world is not so simple.

I do agree with that, about who is being naive...

Did US ignore anyone while imposing tariffs on the EU? When US invaded Iraq? If US is invading Venezuela, have we decided to ignore that already?
Your reference to nuclear weapons, is that a nuclear threat? It seems that every time that Russia mentions nukes, it is a threat. Have we mentioned nuclear weapons?
Negotiations have led to nothing. Istanbul negotiations were US-Russia negotiations?
Yes, we have our own interests "in the fight", not Ukrainian interests.
That plan is not "unacceptable" to our interests, it's just that we don't like it. If there is a peace agreement it would be highly "politically incorrect" to deport all Ukrainians and to stop financing Ukraine. Can you think of any country Ukraine will have to get close to for that money?

Being European myself and all that...

KipPotapych · 2025-11-24T11:08:47-0500

Hoover said:
Look at the 28 Points peace plan:
Kirill Dimitiyev gave the Russian 28 point plan (I call it a Russian request to surrender of the Ukraine) to Steve Witkoff and the plan was sold to the public as a Russian/US result of negotiations. Rubio hinself told, that the plan is a unique Russian request.

The plan was accepted and promoted to be as a reasonable basis for negotiations by many rational people. Then the campaign to discredit the said plan began.

Europe does not get to sit at the table because they themselves are refusing to do so with the nonsense they propose.

Note that I almost never mention Canada. Why is that? Well, because no one cares about our opinion. Literally. We are as irrelevant as one can be. There is nothing we can offer either that would tilt anything one way or the other. Europe can, but they refuse to do so. Hence, they are on the sidelines. I doubt much will change now. It will be, at the end, Ukraine that will agree to the terms, now or months from now. Europe will have no say. They will be patting Zelensky on the back once it is over with. US will be picking pockets. I posted about exactly that not that long ago.

KipPotapych · 2025-11-24T11:10:07-0500

Here is a banger from Mr Dalio that some may consider:

Feanor · 2025-11-24T13:02:37-0500

Meanwhile Russian forces have entered Gulyaypole from the east. It appears they intend to assault through from the north-east, instead of enveloping the town. While the outskirts are basically rural, the center of town does have a small dense urban core which should be quite defensible. Then again if Ukraine has manpower shortages, it could be easier for Russia to penetrate built up areas with infantry teams infiltrating.

rsemmes · 2025-11-24T13:03:09-0500

KipPotapych said:
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The plan was accepted and promoted to be as a reasonable basis for negotiations by many rational people. Then the campaign to discredit the said plan began.

Europe does not get to sit at the table because they themselves are refusing to do so with the nonsense they propose.

Note that I almost never mention Canada. Why is that? Well, because no one cares about our opinion. Literally. We are as irrelevant as one can be. There is nothing we can offer either that would tilt anything one way or the other. Europe can, but they refuse to do so. Hence, they are on the sidelines. I doubt much will change now. It will be, at the end, Ukraine that will agree to the terms, now or months from now. Europe will have no say. They will be patting Zelensky on the back once it is over with. US will be picking pockets. I posted about exactly that not that long ago.

Why NK, Iran and China are not screaming for a seat at the table?
Have they been providing less than Canada?

Hoover · 2025-11-24T14:09:41-0500

Russia Rejects Trump’s Peace Plan, Says Only Full Military Victory Over Ukraine Is Acceptable

A senior Russian official has labeled the US peace proposal for Ukraine as a provocation, insisting only military victory will suffice.

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Maybe Trump is slowly aware that Russia is not interested in any kind of cease fire or even peace.

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