The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
In perspective, the mere fact that Ukraine is still at war, nearing 4 years and has not been completely overrun, would indicate to a lot of people that yes indeed the Ukrainians are doing a lot greater than anyone would have imagined possible. Either that or Russia is doing poorly, what with their greater superiority in personal and equipment.
Long term, Ukraine needs Western support to continue and Russia can count on Chinese support as well as their own larger MIC. Without significant long range missiles to lay some hurt on Russia, Ukraine will be in trouble.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
Poland seems to be outraged by this terrorist attack and will bring these terrorists to justice.

(Nordstream was a singularity in the space-time continuum). I love the "unprecedented" part.
This railway is in Poland. That is unprecedented.

The Nordstream sabotage was in international waters. Also, the Russian state owned >50% of the stock in the pipeline, & was at war with Ukraine. Poland is not at war with anyone. And the pipeline was not being used, & a non-Russian alternative was due to open next day. It didn't damage anyone economically at the time, though it could potentially have been damaging if the war had ended quickly.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
Long term, Ukraine needs Western support to continue and Russia can count on Chinese support as well as their own larger MIC. Without significant long range missiles to lay some hurt on Russia, Ukraine will be in trouble.
I think even with some long range missiles Ukraine will be in trouble. There's little evidence that long range strikes have a big influence on the course of the war.

This railway is in Poland. That is unprecedented.

The Nordstream sabotage was in international waters. Also, the Russian state owned >50% of the stock in the pipeline, & was at war with Ukraine. Poland is not at war with anyone. And the pipeline was not being used, & a non-Russian alternative was due to open next day. It didn't damage anyone economically at the time, though it could potentially have been damaging if the war had ended quickly.
It isn't though. We've had vague accusations of Russia being behind explosions at western military industrial facilities, and behind drones spotted near an airport. Now we have vague accusations of railway sabotage. If we believe these accusations then Russia has been active in EU countries for a while. If we don't, then this is hardly anything.

What's worse, complicated logistics or no kit? Uniformity is great in a perfect world but in a desperate wartime situation....
Of course Ukraine would rather have then not have. But operating technology requires support, maintenance, and in wartime repairs and replacements. Having a mix of different things is inconvenient but it gets worse when the mix is getting whittled down in all categories. And it's likely that for some types you simply won't get enough parts, and won't get any replacements. This applies to all kinds of equipment, including locomotives. The more types are in service, the more complex it is to keep all the types working. So even with a mix of western locomotives replacing Ukraine's own fleet, it's likely a mixed fleet will operate worse. And there's the matter of declining foreign support. If that support can be focused on military assets, that's one thing. But if it has to be stretched to energy infrastructure support, rail logistics support, economic support, and then also military aid...
 

rsemmes

Active Member
In perspective, the mere fact that Ukraine is still at war, nearing 4 years and has not been completely overrun, would indicate to a lot of people that yes indeed the Ukrainians are doing a lot greater than anyone would have imagined possible. Either that or Russia is doing poorly, what with their greater superiority in personal and equipment.
Not exactly confused but, the "perspective" is that Ukraine is in "a desperate wartime situation" and it could be even worse?

How much of that superiority is Russia (for political reasons) using? This looks like a kind of limited war, at least to me. Six/seven hundred thousand men, a 10:1 superiority?
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Look like the loading of oil tankers has resumed. I admit it I bought they hype here and thought it was no simple thing to reload a tanker and would take weeks to rebuild the capacity at a port. Definitely should have read more up on what that process actually entails


German hydrogenation plants in WW2 and the war on terminals during the Iran-Iraq War.
 

Vanquish

Member
Not exactly confused but, the "perspective" is that Ukraine is in "a desperate wartime situation" and it could be even worse?

How much of that superiority is Russia (for political reasons) using? This looks like a kind of limited war, at least to me. Six/seven hundred thousand men, a 10:1 superiority?
If Russia is prosecuting a limited war and bleeding casualties because of that, I don't see how that helps their political reasons. That is unless they care more about western opinions than their own peoples concerns, and I highly doubt that.
 
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