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RegR

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Now that the first C-130-J-30 has been delivered to Whenuapai, we can see that they're fitted with SATCOM, a FLIR turret and extended range wing-mounted 'drop' tanks.
Will the drop tanks give them enough range to do Christchurch -> McMurdo -> Oh bother it's socked in -> Christchurch (or even just Invercargill), or whether they'll still have to make a go/no go decision at a PNR an hour or two out from McMurdo?
Sure I read somewhere the added tanks give a J another 4 hours worth of flight time and that the flight to the big A takes 7 hours (in a H with tanks). Being faster I guess the flight PNR will now move further south but still not sure if it can do a full trip down and back in one go? Maybe just more decision making time if anything.
 

Rob c

The Bunker Group
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Will the drop tanks give them enough range to do Christchurch -
Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but the tanks are external tanks, not drop tanks, they are bolted to the wing. If they are the same tanks as fitted to the H, which they look like. they will provide an additional amount of fuel in excess of 3200 US gallons between them.
 

Gooey

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Ladies, with my apologies for some repetition please find a good news article from Defence News about the first of 5 No. 40 Sqn C-130J-30s arriving at RNZAF Base Whenuapai on 4 Sep.


"Wing Commander Bradley Scott, who spearheads the air service’s No. 40 Squadron that will operate the new fleet, told Defense News that all five C-130Js would arrive by the end of October. "

Meanwhile, on the other side of my glass is half full, is this Janes news that Romania has been approved by US for 32 F-35A.


That means this computer search will need updating for nations who operate this aircraft.
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Collectively, as a Five Eyes partner 'doing' national security, we really are a clown show.
 

At lakes

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https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/boeingdotcom/defense/c-40_series/pdf/c40a_product_card.pdf

There has been a bit of chatter about the RFI for a replacement of the 757 on the NZDF thread. The A321 or the B737. Whilst I have a preference for the A321 logic demands that the favorite in my view will be the B737 or the C40Ai as Boeing have labled it. The airframe is already in service with the P8 and I suspect training and introduction of the type would not be to costly. The aircraft is a combi with VIP with a wide side loading freight door and full pax being around 121.

I am not sure about distances to McMurdo but I am sure someone will come up with some figures.

I know there are a few that recommend the A330 MRTT but the loopy left would arch up with that and I am sure you could sell the idea of the C40 a lot easier.

and i want to apologize for using the word logic and NZDF procurement policy is the same sentence and now where is my bottle of Cab Merlot
 

chis73

Active Member
Whilst that is a nice idea At Lakes, the RFT limits the options to the Boeing 737 Max 8 and the Airbus 321 LR/XLR (neither of which operate as a combi or a freighter as yet I believe). The C40 is not built from a 737 Max airframe, instead it used bits of the older generation -700 & -800 737 NG airframes. So I don't think it can be considered as a viable contender, and neither can the A330 or even the C-2. The brochure you linked is from 2016, so likely no longer current.

The first Airbus 321XLR has just entered service with Irish airline Aer Lingus literally a few days ago. Probably a bit early to say how good it is (and whether Airbus' range claim actually stacks up). To get FAA certification, I read they had to make some changes.

The 737 Max series has had it's fair share of problems (grounded worldwide for nearly 2 years after two accidents in 2018-19, followed by a large number of cancelled orders, claims of poor quality workmanship &, recently, industrial action). I wonder exactly what the tender refers to when it mentions "the competitiveness of the market for aircraft of this type".

Then there is the issue of the current backlog of orders that Boeing (4000+) and Airbus (7000+) apparently have for the 737 Max & A320 series, just for commercial operators. Hence I am sceptical of the tender actually being able to be filled even by late 2027. That's why I consider this whole process a waste of time. And that's on top of a passenger airliner simply being the wrong type of aircraft for the job in the first place.
 

Rob c

The Bunker Group
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I think this is just an ego thing so that the PM is not embaished (after he had said prior to the election that he would travel commercial).I don't understand why they are causing problems and need to be replaced, as there are still over 500 in airline service, still operating successfully and they are used as the official transport for the USVP. I think there are far more important acquisitions that need to be funded before the purchase of passenger airliners that can contribute little in the event of us being involved in a conflict. If they want to move people from A to B Charter an aircraft to do the job as a single charter when required.
 

Gibbo

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I think this is just an ego thing so that the PM is not embaished (after he had said prior to the election that he would travel commercial).I don't understand why they are causing problems and need to be replaced, as there are still over 500 in airline service, still operating successfully and they are used as the official transport for the USVP. I think there are far more important acquisitions that need to be funded before the purchase of passenger airliners that can contribute little in the event of us being involved in a conflict. If they want to move people from A to B Charter an aircraft to do the job as a single charter when required.
Yep it's nothing more than just another example that our defence spending priorities are all wrong and politically driven rather than operationally driven. The B757 are damn fine aircraft and if they'd bought a 3rd at the time they'd have found a spare would more often than not be available at short-notice.
 
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