Hamas-Israeli War 2023

Big_Zucchini

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Former UN special rapporteur for the Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese claims the UN had the authority and capability to wage war on Hamas and demilitarize Gaza if only Israel had requested such action.

Francesca is probably unaware of the fact that UNIFIL's mandate includes disarming Hezbollah. 17 years later and Hezbollah is stronger than ever.

If this is the quality of UN high ranking staff, it's no wonder the UN is so dysfunctional.

UNRWA has also admitted that fuel delivered to Gaza is used as "a weapon of war", and says that not enough is provided. One can infer that they mean that more is needed for the war effort. In the past it has also admitted Hamas uses its infrastructure for military purposes, and that its staff were aiding Hamas.

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Feanor

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There are several types of Palestinian "casualties":
1. Those Israel claims, and killed in Israel.
2. Those Israel claims, and killed in Gaza.
3. Those Hamas claims, and killed in Israel.
4. Those Hamas claims, and killed in Gaza.
5. Footage from Gaza.

Other claims, for example the UN agencies as well as MSM are either far too partial or are derived from any of the above.

In past wars Hamas was known to inflate civilian casualties and downplay its own casualties. In this war, that's no longer the case. Instead, Hamas does not admit any casualties of its own, and classifies all casualties as civilians. Furthermore, we have witnessed instances where Hamas has extremely inflated civilian casualties. And finally, many casualty faking attempts were uncovered.

Therefore unless Hamas show a body that is verifiably dead, we cannot take their word for anything. This leaves us with categories 1, 2, and 5.

Category 1 is the easiest to verify. IDF, press, and Israeli civilians, released plenty of footage of Hamas terrorists being hunted down and killed. Furthermore, in my memory, Israel and the IDF have no record of lying about own or enemy casualties. Beyond that, in cases of unverified casualties, Israel conducts forensic studies before making conclusively announcing numbers and identities.

Category 1:
This article quotes the Israeli MoD saying 1,500 bodies of terrorists were found and identified in Israel. As of the writing of this article, hundreds of casualties from both sides were unidentified, however the methods of killing employed by both sides mean Palestinian casualties were much easier to identify as none were burnt to a crisp.

Category 2:
Further, we have claims of casualties units inflicted in combat in Gaza. For example, the 162th armored division is said to have killed 1,000 Hamas combatants since the beginning of the war.

Category 5:
With electricity and internet connectivity in Gaza low and mostly accessible to Hamas in the first place, a sizable amount of footage that comes out is bound to be fake. Catching every bit of footage from Gaza is probably beyond the capabilities of a single mortal, but we can see from the footage we do catch that many videos are viral rather than whatever we manage to catch at the moment, and many show individual casualties. Finally, there is no way to tell whether a casualty is a civilian or Hamas unless it is a woman or a child under 14. Example of a fake:

Of these categories, as I said, category 1 is easiest to verify and most reliable and there are 1,500 claimed Hamas casualties. Category 2 is somewhat reliable but only to an extent. Soldiers do need to try and confirm their kills to understand whether the area is clear. However we cannot assume that they confirm these casualties, and it isn't certain that they have the tools to sufficiently reliable tell between a combatant and a non-combatant.
162th is not the only unit inside, there are multiple divisions including the 36th and elements from the 98th and other divisions. If we go safe and apply a healthy amount of caution, we can say it's in the high hundreds to low thousands. Hamas's reported strength in northern Gaza and Gaza City are 5,500 and 9,000 combatants respectively. It is presumed that many have escaped to the south.

So categories 1 and 2 give us a very high certainty for 1,500 Hamas casualties and high certainty for at least several hundred more Hamas combatants up to a low several thousand. Category 5 gives us gives us a low certainty and low ability to classify casualties, in the region of hundreds to potentially low thousands. Therefore I conclude that the majority of "confirmed" Palestinian casualties are Hamas.

Israeli casualties are reported by Israeli authorities to be in the region of 1,100 civilians and 300 military, roughly, on October 7th. Since then casualties in Gaza were reportedly in the low tens, current number at 46.

Perhaps the word "confirmed" is loosely applied here, as human casualties are nearly impossible to visually verify in numbers without heavy input from a state agency.
Ok. You've followed this conflict for a while and have been observing this current war. Lets leave aside the term confirmed. Do you think more Hamas fighters have died then Palestinian civilians?

It is true that it is agency-specific. The UNSC is arguably the primary and only truly relevant and permanent agency in the UN. However as of yet, no binding resolution has actually directed Israel to return to 1967 (actually 1949) borders, let alone imposed any specific terms on any party and certainly not via unilateral action.

The UN had a chance to be a moral authority but its structure has largely prevented it from it. Being a truly democratic body with a majority of non-democratic, non-liberal members, it has become a non-liberal entity in itself that allows said authoritarian regimes to use it as a platform. This situation has persisted for so long that although many respect the UN enough to attend its forums, they certainly do not give them much weight.
The international arrangement has to be one that includes meaningful participation from nondemocratic entities. They constitute most of the world last time I checked. International legitimacy is not the same as the legitimacy of a national government. That having been said, I think we can just agree to disagree.

Former UN special rapporteur for the Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese claims the UN had the authority and capability to wage war on Hamas and demilitarize Gaza if only Israel had requested such action.
Francesca is probably unaware of the fact that UNIFIL's mandate includes disarming Hezbollah. 17 years later and Hezbollah is stronger than ever.

If this is the quality of UN high ranking staff, it's no wonder the UN is so dysfunctional.

UNRWA has also admitted that fuel delivered to Gaza is used as "a weapon of war", and says that not enough is provided. One can infer that they mean that more is needed for the war effort. In the past it has also admitted Hamas uses its infrastructure for military purposes, and that its staff were aiding Hamas.

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I'm reasonably confident you know that's not what she means. Any reasonable read of this message should understand that she's referring to the lack of fuel supplies to Gaza as the use of fuel as a weapon of war. I.e. Israeli and Egyptian restrictions on fuel for hospitals is being used as a weapon of war by Israel.
 
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Big_Zucchini

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I'm reasonably confident you know that's not what she means. Any reasonable read of this message should understand that she's referring to the lack of fuel supplies to Gaza as the use of fuel as a weapon of war. I.e. Israeli and Egyptian restrictions on fuel for hospitals is being used as a weapon of war by Israel.
Your confidence is not misplaced. I did understand what they meant, yes, but I also subscribe to the idea that words have meaning and people whose job is to convey words and messages should be responsible for the message they send.

Their superiors should also be responsible for their actions and policies.

There is ample evidence to support a case that UNRWA either aids Hamas deliberately, or at the least is indifferent to and silent on Hamas's disruption of UNRWA's stated mandate.

There is also ample evidence to support the case that the UN is in no position to enforce peace, let alone a demilitarization campaign. Certainly no better than an actual, modern, well equipped and well trained armed force. As such a high ranking official in the UN, her profound lack of understanding of the subject is astounding.

But yes my comment was at least somewhat sarcastic.

The international arrangement has to be one that includes meaningful participation from nondemocratic entities. They constitute most of the world last time I checked. International legitimacy is not the same as the legitimacy of a national government. That having been said, I think we can just agree to disagree.
Yes but there are objectively better potential mechanisms to handle a multinational body than whatever it is right now. It's like having children depose their teacher and run the kindergarten themselves.

Ok. You've followed this conflict for a while and have been observing this current war. Lets leave aside the term confirmed. Do you think more Hamas fighters have died then Palestinian civilians?
Considering that in 2008's op Cast Lead the percentage of combatants was roughly 50% and that since then it only rose quite dramatically, and that in the current war the IDF was uniquely able to orderly evacuate civilians from the AO and take a slow approach to every target, I'd say that these factors contribute to a very high certainty that Hamas are a significant majority of casualties in Gaza.
 
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Feanor

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Your confidence is not misplaced. I did understand what they meant, yes, but I also subscribe to the idea that words have meaning and people whose job is to convey words and messages should be responsible for the message they send.
Their superiors should also be responsible for their actions and policies.
There is ample evidence to support a case that UNRWA either aids Hamas deliberately, or at the least is indifferent to and silent on Hamas's disruption of UNRWA's stated mandate.
There is also ample evidence to support the case that the UN is in no position to enforce peace, let alone a demilitarization campaign. Certainly no better than an actual, modern, well equipped and well trained armed force. As such a high ranking official in the UN, her profound lack of understanding of the subject is astounding.

But yes my comment was at least somewhat sarcastic.
I'm not sure what the significance of the sarcasm is then. It's not evidence of them calling for more fuel to support Hamas' war efforts. It's a call to provide fuel to Palestinian hospitals. The criticism you spelled out has little to no relation to the statement quoted, short of a nebulous general commonality of subject matter.

Yes but there are objectively better potential mechanisms to handle a multinational body than whatever it is right now. It's like having children depose their teacher and run the kindergarten themselves.
Countries are not children. And there is no "teacher" in international relations. Unless you want to go back to classic 18th and 19th century imperialism and declare the "civilized world" to be the "teacher" and the "savage natives" to be the "children". This is what it seems you're having trouble grasping.

Considering that in 2008's op Cast Lead the percentage of combatants was roughly 50% and that since then it only rose quite dramatically, and that in the current war the IDF was uniquely able to orderly evacuate civilians from the AO and take a slow approach to every target, I'd say that these factors contribute to a very high certainty that Hamas are a significant majority of casualties in Gaza.
I understand this is Israel's assertion, but I also understand other sources disagree. I see no reason to take Israel's word for it. They might be more trustworthy then Hamas, but that's not saying much.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Countries are not children. And there is no "teacher" in international relations. Unless you want to go back to classic 18th and 19th century imperialism and declare the "civilized world" to be the "teacher" and the "savage natives" to be the "children". This is what it seems you're having trouble grasping.
The "teacher" in this analogy would be the various forums of the UN in which common subjects are debated, or more precisely their structure. For example sites of heritage and importance at UNESCO, health at the WHO etc. As well as the conventions that each nation voluntarily signed. In any organization you need a hierarchy.

At the UNGA you do not need a high authority because the ultimate purpose is for every nation to speak its policies on a wide forum. There isn't much of a matter of agreement or disagreement, or anything actionable to be decided upon - that would be the task of the UNSC.

The UNHRC on the other hand, does need develop new concepts and provoke thought in a constructive manner, to somehow alert of human rights abuses wherever they may be, and finally have the teeth to go beyond the usual strongly worded letter. As it stands, it lacks all 3 pillars.

So there we have 1 agency that is working properly and that is taken seriously, and another that is arguably dysfunctional and which none takes seriously.

For the record, I do believe that in a hypothetical functional UN (all bodies included), the status of economical, scientific, technological, medical, military, and humanitarian, development, should have bearing on one's weight, or in other words - decision-making influence.

I'm not sure what the significance of the sarcasm is then. It's not evidence of them calling for more fuel to support Hamas' war efforts. It's a call to provide fuel to Palestinian hospitals. The criticism you spelled out has little to no relation to the statement quoted, short of a nebulous general commonality of subject matter.
As it stands Gaza's hospitals have electricity and Gaza still has significant fuel reserves. As of the start of this war, 500,000 liters of fuel were reportedly in Hamas's possession in a single site, and more was dispersed around Gaza's core infrastructure. The IDF provided reportedly extra fuel on a per need basis. It is less a matter of how much fuel exists in Gaza, as much as it is about how much of that is available to run civilian infrastructure.

The IDF conducted a raid into Al Shifa hospital (note that it is a compound, not a single building), and has uncovered some military gear used by Hamas. Reports came in that the IDF retreated from the area. There are many potential reasons for why this occurred, but I'd rather not speculate.

EDIT: Uncut version now released.
 
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Big_Zucchini

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For the past 2 weeks there have been rumors about a prisoner swap deal - Israel gets a couple dozen hostages, Hamas gets a few prisoners of its own and a few days of combat pause. Some preliminary details are now made public. Other reports on the issue point to a general disagreement between Israel and Hamas regarding how long the pause should be. Naturally, Israel would prefer to keep it to the bare minimum if at all, in order to shorten the war which draws on time-limited legitimacy, reduce the economical cost of the war, and maintain the combat initiative while preventing Hamas its own initiatives.
Israel said to weigh deal that would see 50 hostages freed, 3-day ceasefire

After 40 days of fragile unity between Israel's political factions, the taboo now seems to be broken.
The following:
  • Netanyahu's crashing poll results.
  • Reports of his obstruction of the IDF's and war cabinet's work.
  • Internal criticism from within his own party.
  • Diversion of war money toward political favors programs.
  • Refusal to meet grieving families.
  • His preference of personal dealings over the war.
Have all been present in Israeli media.
During that time:
  • Opposition factions have agreed to stop protests of all kinds with the exception of a-political protests for the release of hostages.
  • Have formed the core volunteering force that donated goods, money, and combat gear to frontline troops.
  • Opposition parties have agreed to stop calling for Netanyahu's ouster and demanded a temporary unity government in which they form a war cabinet. A war cabinet was indeed formed, albeit without Yair Lapid (one of the opposition leaders) whose terms weren't met.
It now seems things are going somewhat back to normal and calls for Netanyahu's ouster are coming from both the coalition and opposition.

Fortunately, Israel is a democracy.

Unfortunately, that means whether or not elections will occur after the war is a matter of Netanyahu's personal decision, unless coalition members decide to resign from the Knesset (parliament) en masse.

Israel's Knesset has 120 seats, and Netanyahu's government has 64 of them. In the case of resignation of members of Knesset in a way that removes the coalition's majority (59 or under), snap elections may be called by the president (Netanyahu is the Prime Minister and is the executive authority, the president is a largely symbolic role).

 
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Ananda

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Arabs are hardly interested either in the Palestinians or anything beyond the middle east.
Everyone else is only interested in oil like Europe.

This means Israel is alone in its decision making with the Palestinians.
Do you see the Arab street calm on this? The Arab elites might be not too interested on day to day Palestinian plight, however not Arab street.

If Israel believe they (Arab Elites) will be docile and not concern on their street tensions, then I believe Israel after all this year, still not understand their neighbors.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Do you see the Arab street calm on this? The Arab elites might be not too interested on day to day Palestinian plight, however not Arab street.

If Israel believe they (Arab Elites) will be docile and not concern on their street tensions, then I believe Israel after all this year, still not understand their neighbors.
All entities I referred to are states. When I will see a meaningful Arab action, I will revise my opinion. Until then, I work with what I have. If you have any input to educate me, do tell.
 

Ananda

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When I will see a meaningful Arab action, I will revise my opinion.
Will see if after all Israel attack in Gaza, or if Israel going to displace Palestinian civilians from Gaza, the Arab neighbors will do business as usual, or they're making another actions. All I can say at this moment, don't underestimate tension in Arab Streets do this recent developments.

At least none market practitioners that spesialise in MEA desks, underestimate what happened in Arab Streets. Like I say before, Arabs are Non democratics regime, and Non democratics ones actually more sensitive in changing tensions in the streets.

But feel free on your own assessment that Arab states will always dociles toward Palestinian cause.
 

OPSSG

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Fortunately, Israel is a democracy.

Unfortunately, that means whether or not elections will occur after the war is a matter of Netanyahu's personal decision, unless coalition members decide to resign from the Knesset (parliament) en masse.

Israel's Knesset has 120 seats, and Netanyahu's government has 64 of them. In the case of resignation of members of Knesset in a way that removes the coalition's majority (59 or under), snap elections may be called by the president (Netanyahu is the Prime Minister and is the executive authority, the president is a largely symbolic role).
1. Let me say this clearly, so that you can understand my contempt for Israel’s Govt, at this time, with 2 key messages.
(a) I can no longer consider Israel as a democracy, as criminals are serving as ministers. If your country’s ministers are breaking your own laws and not punished, it is a criminal syndicate.​
(b) Countries who have traditionally acted to avoid harming relations with Israel now have to consider sending a stronger message. Do not underestimate the degree of anger that partner nations have at the conduct of Itamar Ben-Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich and Avi Dichter.​

2. At the Emergency Special Session of UNGA on 27 Oct 2023, while making clear its condemnation of the acts of terrorism by Hamas on 7 Oct and Israel’s right of self-defence, Singapore voted in support of humanitarian assistance to the civilians in Gaza, rejection of the evacuation and forced transfer of Palestinians, and reiterated the urgency for a negotiated two-state solution. Singapore’s UNGA vote on 27 Oct 2023 is the 1st step in expressing my country and people’s disapproval toward the current Govt of Israel. If no change is forth coming, further steps will be taken.

3. Please note Singapore’s recurring vote against illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank and the designation of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. As DPM Lawrence Wong said on 6 Nov 2023:
“We are friends with both Israel and the Palestinians. But it doesn't mean we support everything each side does. Instead, we consistently take a principled position, in line with international law and in support of global peace and security. On that basis, we have voted in favour of many Palestinian-related resolutions at the UN over the years. For example, we have criticised Israel's settlement activities in the West Bank as violations of international law. We also voted against Jerusalem being recognised as the capital of Israel.”​

4. When OIC nations say that Israel is not observing IHL, the IDF thinks there is no harm in continuing with Operation Swords of Iron in the Gaza Strip. It is not the same, if countries like Singapore decide for the sake of humanity to go on the legal offensive to point out violations of international law.

5. Singapore’s Law and Home Affairs Minister, K. Shanmugam, met with 200 local Malay-Muslim leaders and personalities in a closed-door session to explain Singapore’s foreign policy decisions and its position on the Israel-Hamas conflict.
(a) Efforts like this help to demonstrate empathy and to keep the population informed and engaged.​
(b) Prayer vigils have also been organised in mosques and other locations across Singapore for Muslims to pray for the victims of the war in Palestine. These serve both as an expression of spiritual solidarity with the people of Gaza and Palestine, and their unity in the quest for peace in the Middle East.​
 
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Big_Zucchini

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I can no longer consider Israel as a democracy, as criminals are serving as ministers. If your country’s ministers are breaking your own laws and not punished, it is a criminal syndicate.
Politicians' immunity should definitely be abolished.

Countries who have traditionally acted to avoid harming relations with Israel now have to consider sending a stronger message. Do not underestimate the degree of anger that partner nations have at the conduct of Itamar Ben-Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich and Avi Dichter.
This has been one of my main concerns. However I am at least comforted in knowing that a change of leadership usually means a relations reset with others. But the trust we've built may take decades to fix, if we can even stay away from populists for long enough.

Overall, the sentiment on the Israeli street reassures me of positive things to come. I am confident we may see the end of Netanyahu's rule soon.
 
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OPSSG

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Post 1 of 3: The end game of the urban warfare in Gaza by use of firepower

Overall, the sentiment on the Israeli street reassures me of positive things to come. I am confident we may see the end of Netanyahu's rule soon.
1. Good to hear.

2. As John Spencer wrote, “nothing I have seen shows that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) are not following the laws of wars in Gaza…So far I have seen the IDF implementing – and in some cases going beyond…best practices developed to minimize the harm of civilians.”

3. It is day 20 of the ground war and 41 days since fighting has started. The 4 overlapping phases in the North include:

(a) Phase 0, shaping with raids in an attempt to rescue hostages, & getting some intel.​
(b) Phase 1, commencement of recon pull, ground operations with a 3 pronged attack on day 1 of the ground war.​
(c) Phase 2, completely isolating Gaza city from the South. This includes improving battlefield geometry by linking up 2 of the 3 pronged attacks, for ease of medical evacuation of injured troops (no access to the sea by Hamas).​
(d) Phase 3, attacking & destroying the fighting capabilities of the Hamas battalions trapped in the north, via a series of envelopments. In one of these envelopments, the body of Yehudit Weiss (65), a resident of kibbutz Be’eri, was found by Israeli soldiers near Gaza’s Al-Shifa hospital.​
(e) Phase 4, destroying the harbour, plus destroying newly discovered tunnels & existing C2 nodes in Gaza city, before moving South. More serious hostage release negotiations will begin in this phase.​
4. The IDF has demonstrated world leading tactical capabilities for urban operations in phase 0 to phase 4. The next 2 phases will focus on the South, and these include:
Phase 5, shaping with raids in an attempt to rescue hostages in the South. When the IDF‘s attention turns South, it is the only time Hamas will be desperate to negotiate for the release of hostages, for a tactical advantage.​
Phase 6, a recon pull, multi-pronged attack in the South to destroy newly discovered tunnels & known C2 nodes. Unless rescued in phase 5 (or released via negotiations), I believe that many of hostages will be executed by Hamas in this last phase.​
 
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Post 1 of 3: The end game of the urban warfare in Gaza by use of firepower


(e) Phase 4, destroying the harbour, plus destroying newly discovered tunnels & existing C2 nodes in Gaza city, before moving South. More serious hostage release negotiations will begin in this phase.​
Why destroy the harbour? Success in replacing Hamas with a more civilised administration should make the harbour useful as a civil facility for the regeneration of Gaza, & in the meantime, Israel is capable of blocking maritime traffic.
 

OPSSG

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Post 2 of 3: The end game of the urban warfare in Gaza by use of firepower

Why destroy the harbour? Success in replacing Hamas with a more civilised administration should make the harbour useful as a civil facility for the regeneration of Gaza, & in the meantime, Israel is capable of blocking maritime traffic.
5. I am in no way trying to justify the operational decisions of the IDF in phase 4. And Hamas has a naval underwater attack capability, which must be degraded.

6. Destroying the harbour is necessary to prevent cross border attacks — there were numerous infiltration attempts at the start of war and in the recent past. Israel did say, at the start that the intent is to destroy Hamas — destroying the harbour is part of their plan.
(a) On 3 June 2018, the IDF attacked a military post belonging to Hamas’ special naval forces in the northern Gaza Strip. During this strike, an offensive terror tunnel, which leads to the sea, was demolished.​
(b) Further, after phase 2, Hamas in northern Gaza no longer has access to the sea. There is a security angle to be considered. The frogman threat is real.​

7. Discussions on rebuilding the harbour is an issue to be considered in the 2025 to 2026 time frame — after the ceasefire in 1Q2024 or 2Q2024.
 
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Feanor

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Why destroy the harbour? Success in replacing Hamas with a more civilised administration should make the harbour useful as a civil facility for the regeneration of Gaza, & in the meantime, Israel is capable of blocking maritime traffic.
Is there an intent to regenerate Gaza? I'm very curious to see what the ultimate plan here is.
 

Big_Zucchini

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Is there an intent to regenerate Gaza? I'm very curious to see what the ultimate plan here is.
What happens to the population is unknown. They may receive PA leadership, or multinational leadership, or any other form of security and government arrangement. But when it comes to Gaza's infrastructure, it will definitely be rebuilt and restored. Similar to restoration projects after every war in Gaza since 2008, but on a larger scale.

This is how secondary explosions and civilian casualties are generated.

Step 1 - Set up any military infrastructure.​
Step 2 - Sprinkle explosives around the target and in nearby buildings.​
Step 3 - Get hit.​
Step 4 - Watch the cascades of explosions and skyrocketing civilian casualties.​

86th commando brigade operations in Shati, said to be the densest area in which the IDF fought so far.

Internal clashes in Gaza:
 
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Big_Zucchini

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Badr 3 rocket, reportedly with a 250kg warhead, recovered in Gaza.
The body of Yehudit Weiss, 65, was reportedly found in a building close to Shifa hospital. Her husband was murdered on October 7th.

Her body was recovered and transferred to Israel yesterday, after which it was fully analyzed. Prior to her kidnapping, she was undergoing cancer treatment.
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Big_Zucchini

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Vehicle loaded with weapons found near the Qatari building of the Shifa hospital complex:
"I am in the northern part of Shifa. We are next to a vehicle that was ready for a raid on October 7th. This vehicle was inside the garage and we took it out. This vehicle contained components for the October 7th raid, as you can see. A huge amount of magazines, grenades, RPGs, AKs, other equipment, as well as cold weapons. I want to show you now our location. We are in Shifa, this is the Qatari building. We are north of it."

Tunnel shaft next to the Qatari building of the Shifa hospital complex.
"What you see here is an operational tunnel, Hamas infrastructure. 90 minutes ago we found the vehicle here which we showed in the last video, with the weapons that were supposed to arrive in Israel on October 7th.
After exposure with a D9 (armored bulldozer) we found this shaft at exactly the same spot we found the vehicle. As you can see - Qatari building, inside Shifa complex. Hamas operational tunnel with all relevant infrastructure".

Weapons discovered in the Al Quds hospital:
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1725230588209123391?s=20

Hamas tunnel under Rantisi hospital:
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1725230634379976994?s=20

Rantisi, Quds, and Shifa are all different hospitals. It is likely the IDF released all the footage together for a bigger impact. BBC's map did not include Al Quds hospital so I circled and pointed to it below:
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