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Stampede

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Meriv90 said:
I already posted it in the past so i hope the mods don't consider this a promotion purpouse, after all as i wrote IMHO the future is in the 127mm that will allow a plethora way bigger of uses (not only the classic NGFS or AA, but also Sonobuoys, Decoys, Mini Deep Charges) and half of them are BAE concepts.


The problem that financing in Italy it is anemic and just few days ago the first darts got into service :(

I like the cannons because i feel we are progressing more and more towards silver bullets, and silver bullets (F-35,60ton tanks , etc... etc...) even if logic feel like a lack of resilience. So cannons give me the impression of efficiency and cost reduction that also means resilience.
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Thanks again for the clip.

Interesting watching the movement of the out going round course adjusting to reach the target.

Cheers S
 
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Redlands18

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Meriv90 said:
I already posted it in the past so i hope the mods don't consider this a promotion purpouse, after all as i wrote IMHO the future is in the 127mm that will allow a plethora way bigger of uses (not only the classic NGFS or AA, but also Sonobuoys, Decoys, Mini Deep Charges) and half of them are BAE concepts.


The problem that financing in Italy it is anemic and just few days ago the first darts got into service :(

I like the cannons because i feel we are progressing more and more towards silver bullets, and silver bullets (F-35,60ton tanks , etc... etc...) even if logic feel like a lack of resilience. So cannons give me the impression of efficiency and cost reduction that also means resilience.
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Even Gun Rounds can get too expensive, look at the 155mm AGS guns on the Zumwalts ended up costing nearly $1m per round.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Thank you for sharing this video.

The OTO Melara 76 mm is one of the most used naval guns, so the per round price will be much lower than the 155 mm Zumwalt stuff. But i wonder how it performs against faster targets like the Mach 0,93 Exocet or Kh-31 or P800/3M55.

Such promotion videos only show tests of slow flying target drones, well prepared and under perfect circumstances.
 
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Meriv90

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I think if we are speaking about design Italians aren't newbies, and we also have a lot of innovation (see PPA).

If they choose to put 3 76mm on the DDX



I believe there has been a positive feedback.

Just in case they are sovraponte meaning no deck penetration

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Even Gun Rounds can get too expensive, look at the 155mm AGS guns on the Zumwalts ended up costing nearly $1m per round.
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I think the vulcano was in the range of tens of thousand dollars per shot. But IRL trials if not wrong showed that its range is still amazing, but not the 100km that we were expecting.

@Meriv90 Sources for the imagery please. Forum rules require it.

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Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Last night there was a heavy fire on board the Zr.Ms.Zeeland (P841). It started around 1:30 at night, and at around 3:00 the fire was under control/extinguished.
The fire is classified as "zeer grote brand" (very large fire) and the first reports about the damage are worrying.

marineschepen.nl

Grote brand aan boord van Zr.Ms. Zeeland geblust

Schip ligt in de haven
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noordkopcentraal.nl

Zeer grote brand op patrouilleschip

DEN HELDER – Hulpdiensten werden in de nacht van zondag op maandag iets na 1.15 uur opgeroepen voor een grote brand aan boord van patrouilleschip Zr.Ms. Zeeland, op het Nieuwe Diep in Den Helder. Al snel werd er opgeschaald naar ‘zeer grote brand’. Het incident speelde zich diep op militair...
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Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Navalnews made a video about a discussion of current and future programs of the Royal Netherlands Navy.

00:48 - Walrus-class submarine replacement program
01:57 - Current situation with the Walrus-class submarines
03:11 - Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate (ASWF)
05:00 - Land Attack Cruise Missiles
05:34 - Ballistic Missile Defense / SM-3
06:00 - Replacement of LPDs, OPVs and support vessel

www.navalnews.com

Video: Current and future programs of the Royal Netherlands Navy - Naval News

Update on current and future programs of the Royal Netherlands Navy (Koninklijke Marine).
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Netherlands' second LPD Zr.Ms.Johan de Witt L801 is quite new, and specially the four Hollandklasse OPVs are very new, but they already discuss about the replacwment.

The Hollandklasse OPVs are well known for their low maximum speed of 21,5 kts and they had technical problems with the propulsionsystem. They are also unable to escort/protect other vessels in crisis situations, unlike some M-fregatten which had to be sold to save money for tge OPVs.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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The Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) has officially put into service its newly leased medium Roll-on/Roll-off (RoRo) ship, named New Amsterdam.
So this ship is not officially part of the fleet.

www.janes.com

Dutch MoD deploys newly leased RoRo ship for first time

The Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) has officially put into service its newly leased medium Roll-on/Roll-off (RoRo) ship, named New Amsterdam.
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swerve

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Sandhi Yudha said:
The Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) has officially put into service its newly leased medium Roll-on/Roll-off (RoRo) ship, named New Amsterdam.
So this ship is not officially part of the fleet.

www.janes.com

Dutch MoD deploys newly leased RoRo ship for first time

The Dutch Ministry of Defence (MoD) has officially put into service its newly leased medium Roll-on/Roll-off (RoRo) ship, named New Amsterdam.
www.janes.com www.janes.com
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That's interesting. Looks just like a Point-class, & is exactly the right age & dimensions. So which of the sold-off ones is she? Longstone or Beachy Head? Aha! Gottit! She was Longstone. NEW AMSTERDAM, Ro-Ro Cargo Ship - Details and current position - IMO 9234082 - VesselFinder

Can't criticise the Dutch choice. A ro-ro with a vehicle deck built for tanks - perfect! Good to see her being put to her intended use.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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At this moment two submarines are active: Zr.Ms. Zeeleeuw S803 en Zr.Ms. Dolfijn S808. The youngest boat, Zr.Ms. Bruinvis S810, is undergoing now the Instandhoudingsprogramma Walrusklasse (IPW) and like the Zeeleeuw en Dolfijn it will get a new commandocentre and a new optronic mast.

The Walrus S802 did not get this IPW life-extension program and will also never get it, because it will be retired in 2023.
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Onderzeeboot Walrus in 2023 uit dienst

Zeeleeuw volgt waarschijnlijk als tweede
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The Walrus (commissioned in 1992) and the Zeeleeuw (commissioned in 1990) are the two oldest of the class, so it is to be expected that the next to be retired is the Zeeleeuw.
 
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swerve

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Walrus needs no translation & it should be possible to work out Zeeleeuw, but I feel Bruinvis should be translated: it means Porpoise.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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swerve said:
Walrus needs no translation & it should be possible to work out Zeeleeuw, but I feel Bruinvis should be translated: it means Porpoise.
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Well, its a name, so it shouldn't be translated. But if you want to call it "Brownfish", nobody will complain here... ☺


The Royal Netherlands Navy's (RNLN's) new expeditionary survey boat (ESB), ZrMs Hydrograaf (H 8021), has officially entered service.
The mini hydrographic survey vessel was formally handed over to the Koninklijke Marine by the Defensie Materieel Organisatie (DMO) on 21 November.

To be able to be transported by Zr.Ms. Karel Doorman en Johan de Witt, the new ESB had to stay below 24 ton during design and construction. This is maybe also the reason why it looks more like the Stridsbåt 90 H / CB90 than a hydrographic survey vessel, just to keep it compact and light.
www.defensie.nl

De Hydrograaf kan aan het werk

Ondanks de camouflagekleuren heeft de marine er een opvallende verschijning bij. De Expeditionary Survey Boat (ESB) is operationeel. De Defensie Materieel Organisatie (DMO) droeg dit geavanceerde mini-hydrografische opnamevaartuig vandaag over aan de marine.
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Toptob said:
The replacement for Harpoon has been decided! And the winner is.... Naval Strike Missile.

For now only the LCF frigates will be getting new missiles. The M-class frigates will retain their harpoons until they're decommissioned (hopefully some time this decade), while it's not yet known what their successors will be armed with.
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The NSM makes a lot of sense and the way that it's going I think it will be seen as the Harpoon SSM replacement whether the Americans like it or not. The USN have fitted it onto to their LCS and we'll see if they go the next step and fit it to the rest of the fleet along with the LRASM. A two tier NSM / LRASM AShM shipboard capability isn't a silly idea.
 
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Hello all,long time no "see"

There wasn't much to report(ok,few upgrades new canons for the "The Seven",new long range radars,SMART-L Multi Mission/Naval radar 'etc)

But now we have The New CSS "The"Den Helder" floating:


The New MCM's are being build:

www.meretmarine.com

Concarneau : le nouveau chasseur de mines belge est sorti du hall de construction de Piriou | Mer et Marine

Un peu plus d’un an après sa mise sur cale, le 30 novembre 2021, le futur Oostende, tête de série du programme des 12 nouveaux bâtiments de guerre des ...
www.meretmarine.com www.meretmarine.com

And we are in the final stages for the design for the "M" class.

and hopefully(Godwilling)we'll get a decision on the final design for the "Walrus"replacement,so a lot going on right now(was about time.

I'll try and keep you all posted:)
 
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Toptob

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Since they are supposedly going to choose a winning bid this year for the submarines, it's highly unlikely we'll see a "final" design any time soon. The ministry sent out a request for quotations (basically an RFP) late last year and are going to choose one of those proposals this year. So though we might see a decision this year, which would give us an idea which direction the program is taking, it would still be a proposal where many things still need to be finalized.
 
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Volkodav

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Vivendi said:
The Netherlands are acquiring Tomahawks for their Frigates and Subs.

www.thedrive.com

The Netherlands Is Going To Bet Big On Long-Range Weapons

The weapons, which can be launched from air, land, and sea domains, include an Israeli-made rocket system, as well as Tomahawks and JASSMs.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com

Also acquiring JASSM-ER for their F-35, and PULS for their army, so clearly going long range! Lessons from Ukraine...
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The message, loud and clear from Ukraine, is that the Russians suck at logistics. If you have the ability to interdict their supply lines and hubs you will cause them immense pain. Same when you can target their command nodes. Their entire doctrine is extremely centralised and inflexible.
 
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