The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
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Azov are neo-nazis. This is not a claim, this is a basic fact. They were formed as a volunteer formation out of a neo-nazi gang and they continue to use symbols and ideology associated with white supremacist movements and neo-nazi groups. They've been thoroughly documented as such by even such anti-Russian sources as bellingcat. Can't speak to the channel in question, but Azov was even blocked from receiving US aid for being affiliated with white supremacists, by Congress.
Azov - bellingcat
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Probably I said it out of context - the message left on that channel was posted with the video where the guy from Azov says that they will fight and kill Russians and will not surrender (you can here such kind of claims from all the regular forces who defend their country, nothing special). But the message stressed that this is the Nazi group, and obviously noone who does not speak Russian will get what he says.Azov are neo-nazis. This is not a claim, this is a basic fact. They were formed as a volunteer formation out of a neo-nazi gang and they continue to use symbols and ideology associated with white supremacist movements and neo-nazi groups. They've been thoroughly documented as such by even such anti-Russian sources as bellingcat. Can't speak to the channel in question, but Azov was even blocked from receiving US aid for being affiliated with white supremacists, by Congress.
Azov - bellingcat
I will not deny that they have such kind of relations, but it was irrelevant to this kind of post + the very biased reprsentation of the videos on the channel that claims to be objective.
Thank you, Malaysia for planning this and helping a fellow Singaporean in need in the middle of war — crossing the border to Poland is pretty hard from what I understand.
There is indeed mayhem at the border.
Part 3 of 3: Prep work to slow an advance & for urban war
9. Pretty clear that on day 3, the Russian battalion task groups and helicopters are taking significant losses and Russian logistical support has under performed. Looks like part of what I said came true — the Ukrainian Army has attacked not only the logistics tail, they are fighting and channelling sub-units of Russian battalion task groups into kill zones.
10. The magic trick the Ukrainian Army needs, is to keep inflicting significant losses on the Russians at day 13, day 23, day 33, day 43 and day 53. One day of success is not enough to turn the tide of war, as the Russians will now push forward their reserves in the coming days. Thus far, the Ukrainians are masters in the use of strategic communications to provide information about the Russian invasion. They have also provided inspiring stories, such as the heroic sapper, that provides the iron in the spine of soldiers & civilians. We just have to be objective and see how each side performs but I am supporting the underdog in this war.
11. If you asked me 2 days ago, I would not dare to harbour hope that the Ukrainian Army will be able to keep fighting at day 30. We need to watch for the introduction of second echelon forces, heavier artillery, and more air attacks, in support of the Russian effort to advance.
12. Their performance on day 3 has given me hope that at day 43, they will still be fighting. The worse day for the Ukrainian Army is yet to come. The Russians will attempt multiple encirclement efforts in the coming days — breakout attempts at that time will result in large losses.
9. Pretty clear that on day 3, the Russian battalion task groups and helicopters are taking significant losses and Russian logistical support has under performed. Looks like part of what I said came true — the Ukrainian Army has attacked not only the logistics tail, they are fighting and channelling sub-units of Russian battalion task groups into kill zones.
10. The magic trick the Ukrainian Army needs, is to keep inflicting significant losses on the Russians at day 13, day 23, day 33, day 43 and day 53. One day of success is not enough to turn the tide of war, as the Russians will now push forward their reserves in the coming days. Thus far, the Ukrainians are masters in the use of strategic communications to provide information about the Russian invasion. They have also provided inspiring stories, such as the heroic sapper, that provides the iron in the spine of soldiers & civilians. We just have to be objective and see how each side performs but I am supporting the underdog in this war.
11. If you asked me 2 days ago, I would not dare to harbour hope that the Ukrainian Army will be able to keep fighting at day 30. We need to watch for the introduction of second echelon forces, heavier artillery, and more air attacks, in support of the Russian effort to advance.
12. Their performance on day 3 has given me hope that at day 43, they will still be fighting. The worse day for the Ukrainian Army is yet to come. The Russians will attempt multiple encirclement efforts in the coming days — breakout attempts at that time will result in large losses.
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Steinmetz
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A comprehensive write up from Igor Strelkov whom has been critical of Putin. Seems he has a lot of critique about how the offensive is going as well.
Короткие итоги дня ( вышел из строя ноутбук,.. | Стрелков Игорь Иванович | VK
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Короткие итоги дня ( вышел из строя ноутбук,.. | Стрелков Игорь Иванович | VK
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Update.
Kiev
The Zhulyany airfield in Kiev has it's landing strip blocked by vehicles to make sure nobody can land there.
Sporadic firefights are continuing all around Kiev. I still don't see any firm signs of Russian troops involved. Allegedly 25 000 rifles were handed out all over Kiev.
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Around Kiev
Vasil'kovo fuel storage was hit by a missile strike.
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More footage of weapons captured at Gostomel'.
Assorted footage out of Gostomel'. The base is that of the 4th National Guard Bde.
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The North
We have unconfirmed reports of 3 Bayraktar TB2s shot down near Chernigov. I'm inclined to be skeptical. Ukraine's Bayraktars weren't based anywhere near there, and 3 all in one small area? Initially the claim was one shot down.
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A huge Russian column in Chernigov, likely second echelon troops. The badly outdated T-72AV is part of it. I didn't even know that they were in combat units (well except the ones recently retired from the 201st Military Base).
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Russian troops moving through the Chernobyl exclusion zone, allegedly the second echelon.
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Kharkov-Sumy
Massive shelling is taking place in and around Kharkov. It's likely a general assault on the city is planned.
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There are explosions reported in Kharkov along the south-east and south-western periphery.
t.me
The munition dump at Bakaleya is burning, Kharkov region.
Sumy region, Ukrainian BRDM-2 abandoned by the roadside.
Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk
A Ukrainian troop column moving towards Zaporozhye at night.
t.me
Russian troops at Bol'shaya Beloozerka, Zaporozhye region.
70 kms from Berdyansk, village Zamostye, Russian troops heading towards Tokamak.
Two military storage facilities in Zaporozhye are on fire.
t.me
Two allegedly Ukrainian National Guard KIA in Tokomak.
Zaporozhye, more chasing of suspected Russian infiltrators.
And more suspected Russian infiltrators.
Kherson-Nikolaev
A Ukrainian troop column out of Odessa headed towards Kherson, but was destroyed in Nikolaev region.
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Ukrainian artillery column shot up near Kherson, allegedly from the 55th Artillery Bde.
Combat footage out of Nikolaev, allegedly Russian troops are entering the city.
Russian tanks rolling by Golaya Pristan' (Naked Harbour) in Kherson regino.
Melitopol'-Berdyansk-Mariupol'
Reports of Russian troops at the old Berdyansk airport.
What appears to be a Ukrainian checkpoint looking for Russian infiltrators near Mariupol'.
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The West
In L'vov we have crowds boarding trains to get out.
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A firefight on the western side of Vinnitsa has been reported, possibly criminal activity or friendly fire, no nearby Russian troops reported.
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LDNR Front
In Roven'kah, LNR territory, a fuel dump is on fire, possibly due to enemy action.
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Ukrainian soldiers surrendering to the rebels at Starobeshevo.
The rebels claim they've taken Volnovakha and Staroignatievka. Confirmantion on Volnovakha is pending.
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Allegedly, Donskoe village near Volnovakha has been taken by DNR forces. They are approaching the outskirts of Mariupol'.
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EU/NATO
Turkish cargo planes are flying to Turkey, presumably with supplies for Ukraine. Russian sources claim this will be more UAVs for Ukraine.
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Misc.
Ukrainian PsyOps leaks show them asking Ukrainian sailors to broadcast, on a radio channel reserved for emergency messages, the message "Russian warship fuck off". Not sure what this would accomplish, but it raises questions about the alleged audio from Zmeiniy. It would be interesting to see if the Ukrainian border guards from Zmeiniy can be identified by their families, in the aftermath.
t.me
Another allegedly Chechen National Guard column entering Ukraine.
A video with an alleged Ukrainian prisoner saying "what is there to fight for? for shitty treatment, for being abandoned? I want my wife to see me home again". Unclear how real this is.
vk.com
Another map of the action, please take with a grain of salt.
vk.com
Locals looting an abandoned/damaged Russian BTR-82A, location unclear.
vk.com
Russian official sources are claiming 16 Ukrainian small boats attempted to attack Russian ships near Zmeiniy. Allegedly US UAVs were nearby, and may have coordinate the attack, but the attack failed.
diana-mihailova.livejournal.com
Updated info on lostarmour and Oryx blog.
lostarmour.info
Kiev
The Zhulyany airfield in Kiev has it's landing strip blocked by vehicles to make sure nobody can land there.
Sporadic firefights are continuing all around Kiev. I still don't see any firm signs of Russian troops involved. Allegedly 25 000 rifles were handed out all over Kiev.
ANNA NEWS
Киевские зарисовки ночи 26 февраля 2022 года Вооруженные силы украинского "сопротивления" продолжают воевать с неизвестными в Киеве. Расстреляли автомобиль мирных жителей, а до этого нацполиция устроила бой с "сопротивлением". Их приняли за "российских диверсантов". Накануне украинские...
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ParsToday Russian
В Киеве раздали более 25 тысяч автоматов- глава МВД Украины Денис Монастырский @parstodayrussian
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Around Kiev
Vasil'kovo fuel storage was hit by a missile strike.
Украина.ру
⚡️Наблюдается зарево над Васильковым (под Киевом). Предположительно, ракетой нанесён удар по нефтебазе.
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Рыбарь
По Василькову к юго-западу от Киева нанесен ракетный удар. В городе горит одно из хранилищ ГСМ. #Россия #Украина @rybar
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МИГ России
Уничтожена нефтебаза в Василькове, окрестности Киева. Скорее всего, в нее попала ракета. В 2015 она уже горела и взрывалась по причине халатности персонала.
t.me
More footage of weapons captured at Gostomel'.
Assorted footage out of Gostomel'. The base is that of the 4th National Guard Bde.
ANNA NEWS
Сотрудники чеченского ФСВНГ в Киевской области, дон, 26 февраля 2022 года Сотрудники чеченской "Росгвардии" на базе 4-й бригады оперативного назначения Нацгвардии Украины в Гостомеле в Киевской области. @anna_news
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The North
We have unconfirmed reports of 3 Bayraktar TB2s shot down near Chernigov. I'm inclined to be skeptical. Ukraine's Bayraktars weren't based anywhere near there, and 3 all in one small area? Initially the claim was one shot down.
Старше Эдды
За сегодняшний день подразделениями ПВО РФ на Черниговском направлении, сбито 3 байрактара. Вот примерно в этих точках.
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Операция Z: Военкоры Русской Весны
‼️ Только что сбит ударный Байрактар ‼️ ЗРПК Панцирь-С Армии России уничтожил беспилотник в районе Седнева в Черниговской обл. Позже ждём подробности и кадры с места t.me/RVvoenkor
t.me
A huge Russian column in Chernigov, likely second echelon troops. The badly outdated T-72AV is part of it. I didn't even know that they were in combat units (well except the ones recently retired from the 201st Military Base).
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Russian troops moving through the Chernobyl exclusion zone, allegedly the second echelon.
СИЛОВИКИ
⚡️ Наш эксклюзив. Выдвижение части войск России с обозначением V на Киев через Зону отчуждения. На кадрах второй эшелон наступающих на Киев, которые идут для обеспечения полной блокады города и создания подавляющего численного превосходства.
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Kharkov-Sumy
Massive shelling is taking place in and around Kharkov. It's likely a general assault on the city is planned.
ParsToday Russian
В Харькове сейчас самый сильный за все время артобстрел — корреспондент "Сегодня" @parstodayrussian
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GREY ZONE
На самом сложном, харьковском направлении, снова идут ночные бои с применением РСЗО, артиллерии и танков
t.me
There are explosions reported in Kharkov along the south-east and south-western periphery.
Рыбарь
В Харькове сообщают о сильных взрывах в Песочине, Липовой и Малой Рогани. #Россия #Украина @rybar
t.me
The munition dump at Bakaleya is burning, Kharkov region.
Sumy region, Ukrainian BRDM-2 abandoned by the roadside.
Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk
A Ukrainian troop column moving towards Zaporozhye at night.
Dambiev
Передвижение крупной колонны украинской бронетехники по Ореховскому шоссе в Запорожье. 26 февраля 2022 года.
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Russian troops at Bol'shaya Beloozerka, Zaporozhye region.
70 kms from Berdyansk, village Zamostye, Russian troops heading towards Tokamak.
Two military storage facilities in Zaporozhye are on fire.
Рыбарь
В Коммунарском районе Запорожья у Складской улицы горят два военных склада, расположенных у троллейбусного депо. #Россия #Украина @rybar
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Two allegedly Ukrainian National Guard KIA in Tokomak.
Zaporozhye, more chasing of suspected Russian infiltrators.
And more suspected Russian infiltrators.
Kherson-Nikolaev
A Ukrainian troop column out of Odessa headed towards Kherson, but was destroyed in Nikolaev region.
Oleg Blokhin
Добавлю от себя.Сожженная колонна выдвинулась из Одессы для усиления группировки всу, пытавшейся контратаковать российские войска в районе Херсона.Летуны вкс обнулили эту колонну на марше. После этого ВСУшники подорвали мост через Тилигульский лиман на участке трассы Одесса- Николаев в районе...
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Уголок Ситха
Дорога на Николаев. разбитая колонна техники. скорее всего украинской. вначале в дыму мелькает БРДМ, потом идут грузовики 26/02/2022
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Ukrainian artillery column shot up near Kherson, allegedly from the 55th Artillery Bde.
Combat footage out of Nikolaev, allegedly Russian troops are entering the city.
Russian tanks rolling by Golaya Pristan' (Naked Harbour) in Kherson regino.
Melitopol'-Berdyansk-Mariupol'
Reports of Russian troops at the old Berdyansk airport.
What appears to be a Ukrainian checkpoint looking for Russian infiltrators near Mariupol'.
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The West
In L'vov we have crowds boarding trains to get out.
РИА Новости
Украинские издания публикуют видео толпы на вокзале - как утверждается - во Львове в ожидании поезда в Польшу
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Рыбарь
Кадры с железнодорожного вокзала во Львове, откуда украинские граждане выезжают Польшу. В поездах не хватает мест, пассажиры вынуждены оставлять свои вещи на платформах. Органы правопорядка также пытаются не пускать в вагоны лиц призывного возраста, которые хотят покинуть страну и избежать...
t.me
A firefight on the western side of Vinnitsa has been reported, possibly criminal activity or friendly fire, no nearby Russian troops reported.
Рыбарь
В Виннице звучит стрельба у кинотеатра «Мир» в западной части города. Судя по всему, очередные последствия бесконтрольной раздачи оружия и последующих поисков «диверсантов». #Россия #Украина @rybar
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LDNR Front
In Roven'kah, LNR territory, a fuel dump is on fire, possibly due to enemy action.
Военный обозреватель
В Ровеньках (ЛНР) горит нефтебаза. Власти не исключают ракетный удар. /видео: РЕН ТВ/ #Донбасс @new_militarycolumnist
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Ukrainian soldiers surrendering to the rebels at Starobeshevo.
The rebels claim they've taken Volnovakha and Staroignatievka. Confirmantion on Volnovakha is pending.
vasyunin z online
С мест передают, что Старогнатовка, Волновахский район Донецкой области, занята (освобождена). Красно-чёрный флаг изъят ранее на позициях 53-й бригады ВСУ, принадлежал по всей видимости 93-й бригаде «Холодный Яр».
t.me
Allegedly, Donskoe village near Volnovakha has been taken by DNR forces. They are approaching the outskirts of Mariupol'.
Владислав Угольный #ЯРусский #НеОтменяйтеКонцертыШамана
Местные пишут, что это — фото нашей армии, освободившей село Донское (под Волновахой). Знамя "Сомали"
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ANNA NEWS
⚡️Республиканские силы НМ ДНР подходят к Мариуполю Республиканские войска НМ ДНР выбили украинскую армию из села Донское, Волноваха. Сейчас украинские военные сообщают, что армия республики вышла к Сартане. Сартана - ближайший пригород Мариуполя. @anna_news
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EU/NATO
Turkish cargo planes are flying to Turkey, presumably with supplies for Ukraine. Russian sources claim this will be more UAVs for Ukraine.
TOGARMA
Прямо сейчас из польского аэропорта Жешув (находится рядом с польско-украинской границей, недалеко от украинского Львова) возвращается военно-транспортный самолет Турции. Самолет летит обратно на аэродром Кайсери в Турции. В Кайсери расположена база командования военно-транспортной авиации...
t.me
Misc.
Ukrainian PsyOps leaks show them asking Ukrainian sailors to broadcast, on a radio channel reserved for emergency messages, the message "Russian warship fuck off". Not sure what this would accomplish, but it raises questions about the alleged audio from Zmeiniy. It would be interesting to see if the Ukrainian border guards from Zmeiniy can be identified by their families, in the aftermath.
Рыбарь
Украинских моряков призывают нарушать международные конвенции SOLAS, IAMSAR, ITU Radio Regulations 16 канал радиосвязи используется исключительно для подачи бедствия морскими судами. Это международный канал по передачи сигналов бедствия, по поиску и спасения и для установления связи между...
t.me
Another allegedly Chechen National Guard column entering Ukraine.
A video with an alleged Ukrainian prisoner saying "what is there to fight for? for shitty treatment, for being abandoned? I want my wife to see me home again". Unclear how real this is.
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Another map of the action, please take with a grain of salt.
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Locals looting an abandoned/damaged Russian BTR-82A, location unclear.
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Russian official sources are claiming 16 Ukrainian small boats attempted to attack Russian ships near Zmeiniy. Allegedly US UAVs were nearby, and may have coordinate the attack, but the attack failed.
Первая и последняя атака "москитного флота" ВМС Украины
Минобороны РФ рассказало о попытке ВМС Украины атаковать российские корабли со сдавшимися украинцами Катера вооруженных сил Украины пытались убить собственных военнослужащих, сложивших оружие на острове Змеиный, но атака была отбита, сообщил в субботу журналистам официальный представитель…
diana-mihailova.livejournal.com
Updated info on lostarmour and Oryx blog.
Потери бронетехники в вооруженном конфликте на Украине 2014-2023 гг
Список уничтоженных бронемашин, обновляемый командой проекта LOSTARMOUR на основании данных из открытых источников
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So far encirclement attempts of large Ukrainian formations haven't even been properly made, much less succeeded. It looks like Ukraine will have time to withdraw from the front line in the east. The biggest losses, I suspect, will come from Russian airpower hitting Ukrainian troop columns as they move, or Ukrainian positions where they are poorly set up or vulnerable to air strikes. The assault on Kharkov and Sumy will tell us much about what's to come. If Russia can clear those cities relatively quickly, it's possible that Kiev and others won't hold long either. But so far Kharkov isn't even fully encircled.
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Really what other options for the Ukrainian army and militia exist other than to fight or surrender?
With the Russian soldier the main concern would be to just survive the tour of duty and get back home. Which fighters are going to be the most motivated?
I can see the average Russian soldier just keeping their head down and avoiding getting shot. On the other side you will have guys like this Ukraine Marine Vitaly Skakun Becomes Symbol of Resistance After Blowing Up Bridge While on It to Stop Russians.
Also signs that the Russians perhaps didn't think things through with tanks and other equipment apparently running out of fuel.
Fortunately for the Russians the locals seem willing to share some of their own gasoline with them.
This isn't going to be a walk over for the Russians.
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Western powers are providing Arms.
Mainly anti-Tank Weapons and shoulder fired SAMs.
What are the prospects for supplying more advanced weapon systems?
In particular I am thinking of MIG 29s and SU 27s.
They are the fighters operated by the Ukraine Air Force, so they are familiar with them and their Pilots and maintenance personnel would have
no trouble operating them.
I know Poland still has MIG 29s and I think the US has some. Moldova as well.
Mainly anti-Tank Weapons and shoulder fired SAMs.
What are the prospects for supplying more advanced weapon systems?
In particular I am thinking of MIG 29s and SU 27s.
They are the fighters operated by the Ukraine Air Force, so they are familiar with them and their Pilots and maintenance personnel would have
no trouble operating them.
I know Poland still has MIG 29s and I think the US has some. Moldova as well.
For those interested in a narrative to understand the war, please read the above 24 post thread on Twitter and the link provided by ISW below.
There has been some online discussion about Russian logistical problems — this discussion is not simple. As Major General Mick Ryan said:
There has been some online discussion about Russian logistical problems — this discussion is not simple. As Major General Mick Ryan said:
“The reality is that in any large-scale advance by land forces, logistics is ALWAYS an issue. We train our combat forces to be aggressive in the advance and to exploit opportunities where they find them. Sometimes this means they outrun the logistic support of even the best military organisations.”
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It would be difficult and would likely not help at all. They would be almost immediately destroyed. It's also quite a costly gift. As for Su-27s, there are barely any available to hand over. The aid that's being provided is pretty well tailored to Ukraine's needs.
Steinmetz
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That last video is from 2014. I've only seen one instance of molotov cocktails being used so far.
Eerily quiet on updates from both sides besides propaganda for the most part. Dawn is soon, we shall see what progress has been made.
Russian comms been active all night, especially at 5125.00 KhZ Filter 2.43 KhZ. The people in the chat whom can translate, it's essentially chatter between Russian parties who are patrolling behind enemy lines. Bear Net has gone active several times and EAM Skykings have been issued from the NATO side a few times.
http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/?frequency=8131&volume=0#
A shame the US hasn’t got a land based tomahawk capability just yet. This shows how important it could be in the event of AirPower being degraded. Imagine if the Ukrainians could lob a few dozen tomahawks into Russian supply or amno depots and Marshall yards 200-500 km inside Russia and Belarus.
Not sure about that. There is definitely an egregore running around that seems to be present in a large chunk of the Ukrainian populace and at least some of their leadership that NATO or the EU will ride to their rescue; it seems to form some basis of their plan (otherwise the delay in mobilizing and not having some kind of D&D plan in place seems far less excusable.
Without getting too political, one thing about Trump, is he would have made very, very clear to UKR leadership that the West wouldn't shed blood for them, and they should plan accordingly. I'm not sure the current US administration would be so direct.
Don't need TLAMs to go that far; the Ukrainians have already hit at least one Russian airbase (Millerovo) in Russia proper on D+2, IIRC. Used SRBMs to make it happen.
I do kinda wonder if announcing to Russia that "Welp, we're going to restart a warhead for our new INF-bad missile we're designing."
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They would be some of the first targets for Russian day 1 strikes. In the case of Ukraine land-based missile capability is the only plausible kind, but the US/NATO there are plenty of sea-based ones. It might help to hand land-based options, but I don't think it's as significant as you seem to think.
Initial speculation I saw was that these were guys from MD-E. That would make sense with the obsolence of the equipment.