John Fedup
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I would think future debates could be off the table now, something that might be good for him.
New Coronavirus threat
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John Fedup
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This link describes the route COVID took wrt to infection in Quebec. Several interesting points from a Canadian perspective. Spring break occurred 1-2 weeks earlier in Quebec than in BC. During that interval, it became obvious that COVID was a serious problem and BC restricted travel before their spring break. The infection genomes were sourced to the US, the Caribbean, and Europe. The January UK infection indicates COVID was already making in roads in Europe much earlier. This would seem to indicate the Chinese were in fact hiding this. Even their new friend Iran was screwed by China and it is likely Europe had significant infection sourced from Iran (inadvertently) via China. Another negative wrt to China’s “foreign aid” it would seem.
First genetic sequencing of COVID in Quebec shows roots of outbreak
Initial results of study show that an estimated 250 independent events following spring break travel in March led to 60,000 people being infected September 21, 2020 (MONTREAL, Quebec) – Today the Institut national de santé publique du Québec (INSPQ) and the McGill Genome Centre announced the...
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John Fedup
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You almost have to wonder if these fools see COVID as an exit strategy for the impending negative election result.
Attorney General Barr chooses not to quarantine despite possible exposure to Covid-19
Attorney General Barr chooses not to quarantine despite possible exposure to Covid-19
Attorney General Barr chooses not to quarantine despite possible exposure to Covid-19
Attorney General Barr chooses not to quarantine despite possible exposure to Covid-19
The election hasn't been held yet and there is only one poll result that counts and that is the election one itself. Until the fat shelia has clambered onto the stage and exercised her vocal chords by singing, it ain't over, so anything's possible. Just remember last election the pollsters got it all wrong.
John Fedup
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Normally that would be true but with Trump, maybe the result won’t matter to him.
Just remember this is a Covid-19 thread, not a US political thread, which is verboten here by the way, so don't derail the thread.
Todjaeger
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The unfortunate reality in the US is that COVID-19 is political at this point. This is of course problematic on a number of different levels, because a virus being a virus has no political affiliations in terms of who it will or will not infect. When both individuals, organizations, and officials/policymakers making response decisions based upon politics as opposed to medical/scientific best practices...BTW there are still people in the US who seem firmly convinced that the virus is a hoax and/or exaggerated in terms of impact, despite the recent news about POTUS being hospitalized with COVID-19 and a number of administration officials having been at least exposed if not infected, along with congressional leadership. It does seem as though the stubborn refusal will continue until these holdouts either get infected, or personally see someone they know get infected with it.
Like I said, don't derail the thread. If the yanks want to get all political about it that's fine, but not on this forum.
BTW there are still people in the US who seem firmly convinced that the virus is a hoax and/or exaggerated in terms of impact, despite the recent news about POTUS being hospitalized with COVID-19 and a number of administration officials having been at least exposed if not infected, along with congressional leadership. It does seem as though the stubborn refusal will continue until these holdouts either get infected, or personally see someone they know get infected with it.
John Fedup
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Another new rapid test technology and it seems promising, especially if it is proven to be suitable for home use. However vaccines are likely going to arrive before this technology does.
www.technologynetworks.com
Low-Cost Sensor Can Rapidly Detect COVID-19 Infection
Caltech researchers have developed a new type of multiplexed test with a low-cost sensor that may enable the at-home diagnosis of a COVID infection through rapid analysis of small volumes of saliva or blood, without the involvement of a medical professional, in less than 10 minutes.
www.technologynetworks.com
It is crazy to hear VP Mike Pence talking about China as a national security threat when he and super-spreader-in-chief Trump are the cause of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are quarantining at home.
IMHO, Trump is the master of the own-goal for CORVID-19. The CDC drafted a sweeping order last month requiring all passengers and employees to wear masks on all forms of public and commercial transportation but it was blocked by the White House, according to federal health officials.
Trump touted the Regeneron antibody cocktail he received for his quick recovery, calling it “a gift from heaven.” The cocktail is aimed at boosting the immune response system to COVID-19. The White House physician, Sean Conley, said earlier on 8 Oct 2020 that President Trump had completed his course of therapy for the disease, had remained stable since returning to the White House from a military hospital and could resume public engagements on 10 Oct 2020.
Can someone explain to me, how long or short was Trump’s quarantine period?
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Boagrius
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Apologies OPSSG for taking a slight tangent here, but I thought this one was useful for clarifying some of the terminology being bandied about in the public discourse:
There is certainly enough misinformation out there, so clarifying the language strikes me as important.
There is certainly enough misinformation out there, so clarifying the language strikes me as important.
Todjaeger
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Unfortunately the people who are most likely to know, are also not likely to tell. Them being the White House medical staff, who at this point I have little faith in their honesty and/or control of the situation from a medical perspective.
For instance, there are several pieces of information which are not reliably known in the public domain which would need to be known accurately to answer questions on quarantining. One of these questions is when did the POTUS test positive, and the other related question is when was his last negative test prior to testing positive. Further, there is the question of how severe a case did/does POTUS have? So far, most of the information which has been released seems to indicate that it was a mild case, which would indicate a 10 day quarantine period. OTOH, the administration of a steroid is typically done for more serious or severe cases, which would then indicate a 20+ day quarantine period. Same holds true for having an aeromedical evac and associated hospitalization...
Either the response was overkill, which can have negative side effects, particularly if medications were administered. Or, the response was appropriate because the case was/is more serious than the administration is admitting to, which in turn has implications that impact both national security and suggest that the POTUS is dictating his treatment as opposed to medical personnel.
@Todjaeger, thanks for the lucid reply that helps me better understand the latest and confusing news reports.
Trump lies so much that even the WH doctor’s note is being dissected.
I just can’t understand mainstream news reports anymore — due to the level of subjectivity in the reporting these days.
Trump lies so much that even the WH doctor’s note is being dissected.
I just can’t understand mainstream news reports anymore — due to the level of subjectivity in the reporting these days.
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John Fedup
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Unfortunately US polarization has resulted in each side selecting their media (CNN or Fox) and both accept their media source as gospel. The others guys stuff is always fake. Objectivity died.
Todjaeger
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I do not believe that Objectivity has died. Personally, I suspect it is being held at a blacksite somewhere undergoing "enhanced" interrogation techniques. There are a few (albeit faint) glimmers of hope though IMO, as there are some questions which both 'sides' are starting to ask the current administration.
What I find so frustrating, on a number of levels, is how much political calculations have controlled the US pandemic response in place of following existing/normal infection control and response protocols.
There are concepts which have existed and been utilized successfully in public health for literally decades, which were pushed aside. I can recall a specific conversation I had with a contact at a state public health department, where we both had a WTF moment regarding a then-recent CDC guidance that ran counter to a 'traditional' response and has since been rescinded. The CDC guidance itself was essentially that people who had been exposed to COVID-19 but not showing symptoms themselves did not need to be tested. The two people at the US Dept. of Health & Human Services who were apparently responsible for the CDC guidance which had not received scientific review and approval, have respectively gone on a two month medical leave and the other permanently left the department. This was as of September.
Maximuswarrior
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COVID has taught us a few valuable lessons. Unfortunately, as human species we are still divided even when a calamity affects us collectively. A calamity that doesn't discriminate between any human should in reality unite everyone. Countries are politicising the pandemic. Some nationalistic media groups rejoice how others are suffering. It goes to show that we live in very polarised times. The US is not an exception in my opinion. As we are divided in camps our behavior during the pandemic is also dictated by the disunity. If we take this to macro level we see that in countries opposing groups are behaving in a similar fashion. Some believe the virus is a hoax. Some believe it is a conspiracy to limit freedoms. Even when hospitals are fully occupied and people are dying in record numbers with no end in sight. Countries that are producing a vaccine are competing instead of cooperating. It is a sad state of affairs.
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John Fedup
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Some information on how temperature and humidity play a role in COVID transmission. Cool weather and humidity enhances droplet transmission whereas hot and dry favours aerosol. For cool humid environments, the 2 meter social distancing is not sufficient apparently.
www.technologynetworks.com
Respiratory Droplets Don’t Obey Our Social Distancing
One of the sobering findings as researchers model the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in various temperatures and relative humidities in typical indoor situations.
www.technologynetworks.com
There is also some recent research suggesting that the virus remains viable for up to 4 weeks on some surfaces.
Covid-19 can remain infectious on everyday surfaces for up to four weeks, study finds
Covid-19 can remain infectious on everyday surfaces for up to four weeks, study finds
John Fedup
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I guess I am going to have to read up on how to disinfect my cellphone without damaging it. OZ and Canada have plastic money, I assume NZ does as well?
