just because you can walk onboard a ship doesn't make you a bloody expert ok, so dial back the attitude before this Mod starts doing the haka.
Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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What would have been useful is if the Edda Fonn comparison was specifically made with the Skip ST-253 design and not a vessel with similar dimensions and that the RNZN will spend quite a few million doing rectification work from its $103m project budget.
Yes you took a picture of a Swire supply vessel. The problem with that is that you cannot deploy large towed bodies, anchoring arrangements or other deployable items from this vessel. Nor can you tow. Certainly if the vessels was fitted with a dedicated moon pool and ROV garage (which I doubt given the deck size) you could support divers or smaller ROV (side launched provided the vessel is DP). Anything bigger would not be practical.
Stuart Smith has an opinion piece on why a dry-dock is needed, and why it should be in Picton. ( He is an opposition MP for the Kaikōura electorate which includes Picton)
Picton dry dock makes sense - now more than ever
Picton dry dock makes sense - now more than ever
It seems the journo is more interested in the emission standards than the dock however my question to kiwis, does Picton have the industrial base which could support comprehensive warship refits? And is the frequency of refits both Naval and commercial, large enough to support a trained workforce?
kiwipatriot69
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Maybe we could get the Chinese to build us one?
In that case and with the limited knowledge of an outsider, surely a place like Whangarei would be a better proposition to build a dock?
Alternatively, is there land area in Auckland where a complex similar to Henderson WA and using a floating dock, could be built?
Have you been smoking that Te Puke Thunder again cuzzy bro? She's mean stuff that. Gives you terrible munchies enabling you to scoff a whole hangi on your own.
For something like that I'd prefer the South Koreans now because it would now have to be classified as nationally strategic infrastructure.
Actually New Plymouth would be ideal because there is already significant marine engineering infrastructure there to support the oil and gas industry. Whangarei, would be the next choice because plenty of land near the Marsden Point oil refinery that could be developed and there is a reasonably deep channel of water that can be dredged deeper. All of the land near Auckland is about the same price as land in and close to Sydney, with similar population pressures and nimbys. Once the local govt pollies and nimbys get rid of NZDF from Whenuapai and DNB they'll be in little piggy heaven, so such a facility is far better off in the provinces where it would be far better appreciated.
kiwipatriot69
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Have you been smoking that Te Puke Thunder again cuzzy bro? She's mean stuff that. Gives you terrible munchies enabling you to scoff a whole hangi on your own.
For something like that I'd prefer the South Koreans now because it would now have to be classified as nationally strategic infrastructure.
If only weed were legal like with our Canadian cousins, Justin can't be all that bad eh? Just kidding about China. I think more than a few politicians would be upset about that idea.
Redlands18
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John Fedup just choked on his Breaky
kiwipatriot69
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John Fedup just choked on his Breaky
kiwipatriot69
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I was really hoping for a reaction from John Fedup or Novascotiaboy that's why I said it....
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I am sure you will all be shocked to hear that junior's government hasn't been able to organize and supply legal distribution of marijuana yet. If you want a better kick and cheaper price, your local street dealer is a better bet. Drugs, one of the most profitable businesses on the planet, and junior manages to stuff it up, go figure. He will never see the tax revenue he hoped for and has already spent ( e.g., the 4.5 billion dollar pipeline that will never get upgraded). Junior, already moron of the century, and with 80 years still to go.
I should give honourable mention to many of our provincial governments who have helped junior stuff things up.
I should give honourable mention to many of our provincial governments who have helped junior stuff things up.
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t68
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A possible candidate for NZ Anzac replacement as unveiled at IndoDefence 2018, based on the De Zeven Provinciën-class frigates
IndoDefence 2018: Damen Unveils 6000 Tons 'Omega' Frigate
IndoDefence 2018: Damen Unveils 6000 Tons 'Omega' Frigate
kiwipatriot69
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
The ANZAC and Halifax classes are similar in size and both Australia and Canada have opted for T26s that are considerably larger. Larger vessels don’t have to be maximized with kit from day one. Larger vessels will offer more upgrade potential and automation advances should be able to address crewing concerns. NZ should consider larger ships to future proof their navy but given the political obstacles
and the need to have 3-4 frigates, smaller ships may the only way to get sufficient quantity albeit less capability.
and the need to have 3-4 frigates, smaller ships may the only way to get sufficient quantity albeit less capability.
t68
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A RFI hasn’t been released yet, it’s all speculative at the moment. With the perceived threats in the Pacfic deteriorating it would behoove NZG to really think how they will operate as part of a coalition with like minded nations.
I saw this the other day and unless Damen were to agree to licence builds, it would not appeal to NZ, due to high build cost in Western Europe. The ANZAC FFG's aren't due for replacement for another 10 years and at present, in my and some other commentators eyes, a 3rd frigate is of more pressing concern. Having said that, the ANZAC FFG replacement project begins next year with the formation of the initial project team to investigate and recommend capabilities etc., for the NZFFX.
Both are about right and would be in line with what NZ will require. Automation does reduce a number of crew positions and remove onerous tasks. It is used on the ANZAC FFH since the Platform System Upgrade Project reducing the number of stokers required to be physically on watch in the engine room, freeing them up to undertake maintenance and repairs.