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Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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Novascotiaboy
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Just had my lunch here in Dartmouth NS and four members of the RNZN were enjoying lunch. They must be here at LMs training facility in preparation of the new CMS on the upgraded frigates. Nice to see the Kiwi on the arm here in Nova Scotia.
Can anyone say how many Sea Ceptor/CAMM the RNZN ANZACs will be fitted with? I've looked, but not found any confirmed number.
IIRC the Mk 41s are being removed & dedicated launchers fitted*, so it's not necessarily a simple four to one swap for the Sea Sparrows, as it could be with quad-packing in the Mk 41s.
*Presumably saving maintenance & probably weight.
IIRC the Mk 41s are being removed & dedicated launchers fitted*, so it's not necessarily a simple four to one swap for the Sea Sparrows, as it could be with quad-packing in the Mk 41s.
*Presumably saving maintenance & probably weight.
40 deg south
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As far as I'm aware that number has never been officially published, althougb i have seen various guesses of around 20 cells.
Removing the Mk41s saved both weight and space, according to a published interview with the project manager a year or two back. The Camm-specific cells only penetrate a single deck, meaning the space below previously occupied by the lower half of the Mk41s can be used for something else (computers/servers, from memory).
I saw something in the last few days suggesting that NZ's CAMMs would be delivered and fitted in 2020, suggesting they won't be fitted in Canada, at least to the first ship undergoing modernisation. Now can't find the link.
40 deg south
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HMNZS Canterbury at heightened readiness for cyclone season
Short piece outlining HMNZS Canterbury's preparations for the Pacific cyclone season.
I have the impression NZ is getting much more prepared for HADR operations than in the past.
Short piece outlining HMNZS Canterbury's preparations for the Pacific cyclone season.
I have the impression NZ is getting much more prepared for HADR operations than in the past.
Novascotiaboy
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Does anyone know what the landing craft are constructed from? Appears to be a lot of rust around the edges in the two pictures of the report noted above. I would have thought they would have been constructed from aluminum to reduce the weight of the vessel.
I'm constantly amazed by HHI's ability to build naval vessels so much cheaper than almost anyone else. Here is a model of the frigates they're building for the Philippines, as displayed at ADAS 2018:
And HHI was awarded the contract to build two ships for Php 15,744,571,584.00 (around US$336.912 million). Now these are small ships at 107 meters long with a displacement of 2,600 tonnes, but man, US$168m each... wow. Now there are three FFBNW, the VLS, CIWS and towed array, but that is still very cheap.
I hope HHI tenders for NZ's ANZAC replacements, I'd love to see what they come up with (and for what price).
And HHI was awarded the contract to build two ships for Php 15,744,571,584.00 (around US$336.912 million). Now these are small ships at 107 meters long with a displacement of 2,600 tonnes, but man, US$168m each... wow. Now there are three FFBNW, the VLS, CIWS and towed array, but that is still very cheap.
I hope HHI tenders for NZ's ANZAC replacements, I'd love to see what they come up with (and for what price).
I believe the Antonia Luna's (HDF-2600's) are built to the KRS / SNAK naval schedule, which are not civilian nor ABS/NATO but their own national guidelines - which I understand are heavily influenced by the ABS . In some respects the low price point has a lot to do with the selection of lower end combat systems chosen by the PN as well as where and how they are built (HHI) where the vertical integration of internally sourced systems such as machinery and propulsion makes things very cost effective by not requiring the same extent of external suppliers that other much smaller firms can access.
The far more capable and larger 5th & 6th Daegu Class Frigates DW-3000's FFG-823 and FFG-824 have been budgeted for ₩316.5bn (NZ$415m) each. In other words an additional NZ$185m per vessel than the Antonia Luna's. Though the Daegu's are DSME builds rather than HHI it does give an indication of what is possible when a continuous build programme is undertaken by a modern highly efficient Korean superyard. They are able to leverage considerable economies of project scale.
FYI, HHI is contracted to build the third and fourth Daegu frigates.
40 deg south
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Counter-piracy operation Haka kicks off in Gulf of Aden
No question about which navy had naming rights for this exercise!
https://navaltoday.com/2018/12/31/operation-deep-freeze-2019-underway/
The US component of Operation Deep FReeze kicks into gear for the new year.
Happy New Year to all the commenters and lurkers here - looking forward to another year of passionate but good-natured disussion on all things naval.
No question about which navy had naming rights for this exercise!
https://navaltoday.com/2018/12/31/operation-deep-freeze-2019-underway/
The US component of Operation Deep FReeze kicks into gear for the new year.
Happy New Year to all the commenters and lurkers here - looking forward to another year of passionate but good-natured disussion on all things naval.
Ta. That's informative.
I've been in Japan visiting the in-laws, so not on the web much.
A cool size comparison between HMNZS Canterbury and the new Manawanui on their facebook page - she's not small
I also had not seen 'names' for Canterbury's landing craft until now - "Tahi" and "Rua" - One and Two in Te Reo Māori
Man on Can. HMNZS Canterbury might be our largest vessel, but the new Dive Hydrographic Vessel Manawanui, due for delivery this year, is no lightweight. She’s as long as an Offshore Patrol Vessel, 4 metres wider, and her bridge rises 16 metres above the waterline.
HMNZS Canterbury at heightened readiness for cyclone season
She's definitely not small.
It's so that the stokers, stores (when issuing crayons) and Army don't get confusedI also had not seen 'names' for Canterbury's landing craft until now - "Tahi" and "Rua" - One and Two in Te Reo Māori
kiwipatriot69
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Speaking of Manuwanui, where would the gun placements be for her once delivered, or will they be going for more modern typhoon mount? surely they have room for more than this?
Room for more than what? None of the articles or images I've seen make any mention of armament other than a magazine & armoury which will be for boarding parties small-arms of course. Manawanui III had 2 x manually operated .5 cal HMG but so far no confirmation Manawanui IV will even get that. The LOSV images showed what resembled a remotely operated typhoon but this is not the LOSV per se.
MrConservative a while back we had a discussion on floating drydocks for NZ and that we wouldn’t buy one from the Chinese due to security concerns, I thought this article might be of interest to you.
Shipyards Serving US Navy Already Use Chinese-Built Drydocks
Shipyards Serving US Navy Already Use Chinese-Built Drydocks
If the US are ok with this, I don’t see how a Chinese build floating dock would be a problem for NZ.
kiwipatriot69
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I'm really surprised about this. Given Chinas notorious for shoddy engineering standards, and consumer goods electronics ect.
Not to mention the security risk it might pose, they have Arliegh Burkes using those docks too, woudnt that pose a security risk, given their habit of backwards engineering any valuable specifications, military or otherwise, they get their hands on?
Not to mention the security risk it might pose, they have Arliegh Burkes using those docks too, woudnt that pose a security risk, given their habit of backwards engineering any valuable specifications, military or otherwise, they get their hands on?
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Drydocks aren’t exactly state of the art technology and China has a massive ship building industry so their drydocks are likely good value for money. If they were not, South Korea or Japan would be getting the business. Chinese drydocks aren’t the threat Huawei components in our 5 G networks represents.
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kiwipatriot69
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Ha, im using a Huawei Y7, 5G compatible while doing this. Overheats a bit too often.
Another thing is Usa generally likes to keep a lot of its military appropriations in house, assuming their own people to do the work, and given the budgets they are playing with, didnt think they would skimp on cost like our Nz govt tend too.
Another thing is Usa generally likes to keep a lot of its military appropriations in house, assuming their own people to do the work, and given the budgets they are playing with, didnt think they would skimp on cost like our Nz govt tend too.