The NATO standards are Link 11, 16 and 22. CEC is as I understand it, integrated a step (or perhaps several steps) beyond what Link 11/16/22 are capable of.I honestly thought that sounded like a sales pitch for Aegis.
I cannot see the British going for a non-British developed CMS, Canada...maybe...
Aren’t there NATO data standards that must be met that should allow interoperability?
What is there not to like about her? She seems to be everything the RCN needs and I find it hard to explain why the Can govt did not proceed with the second.MV Asterix already hard at work for the RCN durning RIMPAC.. Have to say, they sure seem to have gotten her into service pretty damn fast. Especially for the RCN
From Twitter
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Assail I agree, trouble is it's Canuck pollies and bureaucrats that we are talking about and it's a logical proposition. Those two concepts together are an oxymoron.What is there not to like about her? She seems to be everything the RCN needs and I find it hard to explain why the Can govt did not proceed with the second.
What has the Berlin Class got which can't be replicated by Asterix?
The cost benefit of the type appears overwhelming.
Anyone know what the Ship on her port side is? The Starboard ship is one of the 3 Chilean Navy Type 23sMV Asterix already hard at work for the RCN durning RIMPAC.. Have to say, they sure seem to have gotten her into service pretty damn fast. Especially for the RCN
From Twitter
There are three additional images attached to the tweet above. Didn't want to clutter the thread.
What is there not to like about her? She seems to be everything the RCN needs and I find it hard to explain why the Can govt did not proceed with the second.
What has the Berlin Class got which can't be replicated by Asterix?
The cost benefit of the type appears overwhelming.
The Canadians are acquiring a capability and comparing costs is fraught with error, but in relative terms the Asterix was acquired with all propulsion machinery in situ and a hull already built. If she was expensive imagine the costs of starting from scratch.I believe the conversion cost are nearly as much as the RAN are paying for 2x new build Spain built ships
Exactly right on the political issue, Vancouver shipyards were promised the Berlins. Davie was lucky to get the conversion build (thanks to Admiral Norman). As for capability, I would like to think the Berlins will offer considerably more given the horrendous price. Too bad junior has no stones for a fight. The BC government is fighting against the trans mountain pipeline. No pipeline, no Berlins, works for me.I know wiki is not the best source but it seems to me the Canadians are building, not converting for a political, not a capability reason, but that should not surprise anyone here as all countries suffer the same disease to some extent
Can someone who knows then, tell us what additional capability the Berlin’s offer?Exactly right on the political issue, Vancouver shipyards were promised the Berlins. Davie was lucky to get the conversion build (thanks to Admiral Norman). As for capability, I would like to think the Berlins will offer considerably more given the horrendous price. Too bad junior has no stones for a fight. The BC government is fighting against the trans mountain pipeline. No pipeline, no Berlins, works for me.
The Canadians are acquiring a capability and comparing costs is fraught with error, but in relative terms the Asterix was acquired with all propulsion machinery in situ and a hull already built. If she was expensive imagine the costs of starting from scratch.
As far as capability goes, I’ve done a quick wiki comparison between Asterix, Berlin and Cantabria, they are all about the same size, they can all reach 20 kts, they all carry a similar liquid load and the same dry load, Berlin slightly less. Their crew sizes/ accomodation are roughly similar and they all have a similar aviation capability.
To me the differences are like choosing between a GM or a Ford 6 cylinder 4 door sedan, they are all similar.
I know wiki is not the best source but it seems to me the Canadians are building, not converting for a political, not a capability reason, but that should not surprise anyone here as all countries suffer the same disease to some extent
Thanks for that. Says it all.
Thanks for that. Says it all.
It’s easy to be critical from afar but it seems like Trudeau should be thanking Adm Norman instead of prosecuting him. By any measure Project Resolve seems a success
That’s a false supposition, Asterix was built in 2010 and only lightly used, she has been sitting at Davie for at least a couple of years so she is a “new” ship. The hulls and machinery of large commercial ships, if correctly maintained, have a very long life due to their plate thickness cf a warship so she has every potential to have a full and productive life.Appears it’s only a 10 years operating lease on her, by the article it’s about 6y, but John question to the whole sorry saga is how long can it viable operate compared to a new built ship which would be roughly 30/35 years for nearly the same money.
I'm loving that sensor and weapon fit. That's some serious firepower coupled with some serious defence. SM-2/ESSM/RAM/Millenium gun is a lot of layers to get through.The frigate design submited by Navantia for CSC is fitted with a 127mm main gun by Leonardo, a CEAFAR2 radar by CEA, 2x RAM launchers by Raytheon, 2x 35mm Millenium CIWS guns by Rheinmetall, 48x VLS and 8x RBS-15 Mk3 anti-ship missiles by Saab.