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colay1

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San Harris discusses with noted writer/author Mark Bowden (Blackhawk Down) he latter's analysis of options in dealing with Norh Korea based on research with civilian and military leadership. Trump gets significant air time towards the end.

https://youtu.be/okWH-HdtUtM
 
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colay1

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It's been reported that Norh Korea will have a nuke warhead on an ICBM by early next year, substantially sooner than projected. Will this add to the justification for those leaning toward a military solution? In the meantime, Trump is bizarrely tweeting about disqualifying transgender persons from serving in the military. Nuts.
 
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RSAX

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colay1 said:
It's been reported that Norh Korea will have a nuke warhead on an ICBM by early next year, substantially sooner than projected. Will this add to the justification for those leaning toward a military solution? In the meantime, Trump is bizarrely tweeting about disqualifying transgender persons from serving in the military. Nuts.
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Can you please enlighten us to what was so "Bizarrely" about Trump's Tweet? I'm interested in your reasoning behind such comment.
 
John Fedup

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Given all the pressing issues facing the US right now, I agree with colay1 about the tweet being bizarre. What kind of priority is getting rid of 6000 volunteers out of a couple of million serving members? He didn't even bother to inform the Pentagon. The Whitehouse staff are fighting amongst themselves and the Donald's legislative record shows sweet $uck all. The last thing he needs to be doing is pi$$ing off his best cabinet performer (Mattis). Bizarre indeed. Can hardly wait until he fires Sessions and see the GOP senators turn on him.
 
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colay1

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John Fedup said:
Given all the pressing issues facing the US right now, I agree with colay1 about the tweet being bizarre. What kind of priority is getting rid of 6000 volunteers out of a couple of million serving members? He didn't even bother to inform the Pentagon. The Whitehouse staff are fighting amongst themselves and the Donald's legislative record shows sweet $uck all. The last thing he needs to be doing is pi$$ing off his best cabinet performer (Mattis). Bizarre indeed. Can hardly wait until he fires Sessions and see the GOP senators turn on him.
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This. Not to mention ...ISIS strategy? Afghanistan strategy? SecDef Mattis was a month into a 6-month review of the LGBT issue and Trump just demonstrated once again his willingness to cut off his subordinates at the knees for no apparent reason.
 
gazzzwp

gazzzwp

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John Fedup said:
Another NK missile test reported on CNN....a little relief from Trump WH infighting drama
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According to the media reaching an altitude of 1865 miles. How is this possible? Did it go into deep orbit outside the earth? Apologies for sounding a little dumb.
 
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Tsavo Lion

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Steep trajectory, just like the earlier test. Otherwise their BMs must fly over other countries in Asia & risk being engaged by the BMD.
 
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colay1

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Reports are it's another ICBM test, the second this July. Lends credence to the revised projections of an operational ICBM by next year.
 
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supercomrade

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There is legit no easy way to fix it.

You engage them and begin to bomb, they unleash a rain of artillery on Seoul and potentially launch ICBM's carrying nukes at who knows who or where.

You try to ninja kill Kim and install a puppet leader, the entire country might do something crazy as a population.


I don't think more sanctions or influence from China is going to stop them from their nuclear program. They really have their heart set on becoming a nuclear power.

I don't see any sort of solutions.
 
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Tsavo Lion

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They are already a nuclear power, only the US doesn't recognize this fact. As former
US Sec. Def. W. Perry said: you can't "uninvent" a nuclear bomb! NK won't follow those who disarmed & didn't live long to tell about it.
 
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rjtjrt

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The rapid development of missiles (and less rapid but still progressive devel of nuclear weapons) is absolutely remarkable for a nation of 25million people with a GDP of $40billion, and hampered by sanctions.
It appears unstoppable, especially with a blowhard president in US.
Japan and Sth. Korea next on the nuclear train.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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supercomrade said:
There is legit no easy way to fix it.

You engage them and begin to bomb, they unleash a rain of artillery on Seoul and potentially launch ICBM's carrying nukes at who knows who or where.

You try to ninja kill Kim and install a puppet leader, the entire country might do something crazy as a population.


I don't think more sanctions or influence from China is going to stop them from their nuclear program. They really have their heart set on becoming a nuclear power.

I don't see any sort of solutions.
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Agree, its almost/already too late to do something about it. Specially because China didn't want to cooperate.
Zuid-Korea en VS waarschuwen Noord-Korea met eigen raketten | NOS
As expected again an exercise as revenge/warning to the North-Koreans.

There are only two 'solutions'.
1. Full scale war, try to wipe out most of their firepower with preemptive strikes and use the PAC-3/THAAD to intercept a part of their missiles and accept all collateral damage/civilian casualties.
2. Do nothing and tell the South-Koreans and Japanese that they have to develop their own nuclear arsenal.

Of course we can go for option 3.... Become good friends with Kim Yong Un. But that's quite unrealistic.
 
gazzzwp

gazzzwp

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Tsavo Lion said:
Steep trajectory, just like the earlier test. Otherwise their BMs must fly over other countries in Asia & risk being engaged by the BMD.
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So does 1865 miles represent the total distance up and down? If so then that is not strictly the altitude. Is that just another loose media interpretation?
 
gazzzwp

gazzzwp

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Sandhi Yudha said:
Agree, its almost/already too late to do something about it. Specially because China didn't want to cooperate.
Zuid-Korea en VS waarschuwen Noord-Korea met eigen raketten | NOS
As expected again an exercise as revenge/warning to the North-Koreans.

There are only two 'solutions'.
1. Full scale war, try to wipe out most of their firepower with preemptive strikes and use the PAC-3/THAAD to intercept a part of their missiles and accept all collateral damage/civilian casualties.
2. Do nothing and tell the South-Koreans and Japanese that they have to develop their own nuclear arsenal.

Of course we can go for option 3.... Become good friends with Kim Yong Un. But that's quite unrealistic.
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Only option 1 is satisfactory. Even with their own nuclear arsenal there can be no security for Japan or S Korea which ultimately is what people want. The US itself has no security either because as we all know BMD systems are not likely to be 100% successful.

The only other option I can see is a surgical strike on his missile and nuclear facilities. It may be the case that he will not make a full military response if he can see that the US is not after complete destruction of the regime.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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gazzzwp said:
Only option 1 is satisfactory. Even with their own nuclear arsenal there can be no security for Japan or S Korea which ultimately is what people want. The US itself has no security either because as we all know BMD systems are not likely to be 100% successful.

The only other option I can see is a surgical strike on his missile and nuclear facilities. It may be the case that he will not make a full military response if he can see that the US is not after complete destruction of the regime.
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Yes, you're right. About your second option, lets hope that Kim Yong Un stays rational and indeed doesn't start a full war...
 
John Fedup

John Fedup

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rjtjrt said:
The rapid development of missiles (and less rapid but still progressive devel of nuclear weapons) is absolutely remarkable for a nation of 25million people with a GDP of $40billion, and hampered by sanctions.
It appears unstoppable, especially with a blowhard president in US.
Japan and Sth. Korea next on the nuclear train.
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A solo development of nuclear weapons by NK with its limited resources and GDP seems incredible without some outside help. Then again, you have a dictatorship that has no trouble using 20-30% of this GDP to fund WMD over a long period of time. Ten billion dollars per year over 20 years with a little left help from criminals to bypass sanctions, it's doable. Japan and SK will go nuclear, something China could have prevented 20 years ago by twisting the Kims to behave. That option is gone.
 
gazzzwp

gazzzwp

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gazzzwp said:
So does 1865 miles represent the total distance up and down? If so then that is not strictly the altitude. Is that just another loose media interpretation?
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Still on this old chestnut again. A diagram on the BBC website insists that the figure is the altitude not the distance travelled.

My next obvious question is how does this trajectory guarantee a hit anywhere on the US mainland? If I launch a firework and it travels 1 mile in altitude that in no way ensures that it will go 5 miles as the crow flies. Are people assuming too much?
 
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