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MrConservative

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Could you possibly post links to some of these findings (I'm a sucker for putting names to claims) as some of what I have been sourcing somewhat contradicts or does not match up and I am unsure why organisations such as MFAT, MPI, customs and indeed navy would say one thing if they mean another especially if it is not in their interest to do so and merely creates confusion.

I would'nt assume radio live is prone to making up things but I guess wikipedia shows anything is possible.

Customs lacks resources to patrol NZ seas | Radio New Zealand News

Alittle coincidental this report is also around the time the IPVs were being parked up but I'm sure their crews had other more pressing jobs.

Warning over Navy patrol cuts | Radio New Zealand News

If even the navy admitted they had crewing issues in 2013 then I'm inclined to believe them and even if they recruited immediately after this there is still no way those pers would be fully qualified in the skilled trades even now, taking into account actual naval training/activity times before they even begin their trade training for specific roles. I spent a career in the forces doing courses and nothing happens overnight in fact they would still be considered junior now if anything dependant on what level of seniority, experience and skill level left initially and therefore slots that needed replacement. I also have naval friends who have either recently had postings cut short, trips denied or roles adjusted to fill slots so unsure why you could'nt possibly think of ships being mothballed due to manning issues and it's therefore BS? If so then as there should have been 2 spare crews floating around (pun intended) for the remaining IPVs/OPV then these should have at least been able to meet if not exceed their proposed at sea days, figures show this was not the case, or did we just stop all together? On the plus side they have probably been promoted quicker then they otherwise would have considering.

MPI also states we have 1300 commercial fishing vessels in NZ with 50 of these deep sea vessels including 26 international (I assume these would be the likely candidates for monitors and cameras as well as they catch 60% of our fish) that are permitted to fish in our EEZ so a few more than 300 to patrol unless the rest have recently parked up in the past 2-3 years?

The same report that stipulated we ideally have 3 OPV in the same vein reccommended 5 IPV as well so obviously we don't always get what we ask for but seems they did in fact ask regardless (or at least someone did). Is the statement navy did not want IPVs in an official document somewhere as I would be interested to see their reasonings and updated data to support in regards.

Now don't get me wrong I understand an OPV would be far superior to an IPV in terms of capability in most instances I am just more wondering if it is more of a case of you can have this OR have that (a classic NZDF trait) but you need to choose as we are not going to pay for both regardless of role and is mainly being pushed by lack of resources vs lack of requirement as TBH the conducted patrols by even the remaining fleet is pitiful IMO when surely the remaining should be getting used more if anything to compensate? 9 days this year so far for fisheries across the 'patrol fleet' to me seems alittle inadequate even if they are just burning diesel considering protection/patrolling of our EEZ should be a cornerstone of our navy. Seems to me they are justifying a 3rd OPV for EEZ reach when we barely even seem to be doing that. Actual patrol days (incl OPV) have been steadily declining for the past 5 years and while I'm sure technology can account for some I'm quite sure there are underlying reasons as well.

I get you think IPVs are a waste of rations and OPVs are the way of the future and I am not arguing the benefit of a 3rd OPV (just as I support 3 frigates) however I just feel they are being alittle disingenuous in their reasonings behind their (IPV) sudden fall from grace and expecting more from them knowing full well they would be unsuited and thus creating doubts to their ability, I would rather them just blatantly say we cannot afford both options instead of making excuses as to why they essentially sunk $60m.

Whilst I may resign to the fact Brownlee will sell off these ships to fund something else does not automatically mean I will agree with it and it's much akin to how me and Helen disagreed over the ACF decision and I guess how others look at that. Oh well yet another downgrade/upgrade in the NZDF toolbox, lets see how it goes over time.
Thanks Reg for you considered reply.

I have changed the 300 claim of registered commercial fishing license holders to 1300 as you correctly state. I accepted my faulty memory on the numbers though the principle still stands that following the rationalisation of the commercial industry and the transfer of quotas to fewer players has completely changed the local fishing industry. There are far fewer small scale players than in the past.

Incidently I have zero trust in the NZ MSM and always assume that they are stretching the truth.

Customs have long wanted replacement vessels. They did their own needs review following the 2000 Maritime Review They are again pushing for this as it was something promoted again during the recent Martyn Dunne tenure. The following document outlines this on pages 18-30.

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/publications/annex_iv_customs.pdf

Customs only have the 16m launch Hawk IV. What they really have been after is two 30-40m vessels and two inshore craft larger and more stable than the Hawk IV. They have had interest in a Q-West type vessel for that inshore role.

Customs now want to run their own show and not be tied into the patrolling patterns of MFish or the Navy. They are actually more intel lead and reactive by necessity than MFish's patrolling requirements. There areas of interest are also different - the Cook strait and the BOI / Hauraki Gulf. They are also wanting interception at and beyond the 24nm zone for larger vessel boarding.

Looking through the lens of the Navy per crew manning numbers wise will never allow one to get to the actual issue here. If numbers are an issue it is in the competing training methodologies that a small navy has to endure and not the emphasis of the actual manning numbers of sailors to sea (or is that ship person or something from now on). Frigates v OPV's v IPV's - plus the specialist AOR, MCM and CY.

The sea tasking requirements MFish and Customs are essentially incompatible with each other. They want to be in different places and approach a target differently. One role (MFish) is more overt the other role (Customs) is more covert and directed in interception. One wants to be around the Campbell Islands monitoring Korean Factory Ships or 200ks off the West Coast when the other wants to be north of Great Barrier intercepting a private yacht or inspecting a 40000 tonne container ship.

The one size fits all solution of the IPV's is not helping any of the interested parties to deliver their remits to the government. No one is winning at present. In a way the policy failure comes down to loading the civilian parties onto a compromised vessel.

The Maritime Forces Review 16 years ago did indeed suggest 3 OPV's and 5 IPV's. It did not speculate on size requirements of the vessels at the time.

In many respects what should have happened is what may eventuate if all parties now get their way.

1. Customs get the vessels that they were after to monitor their geographically specific choke points. Two 30-40m vessels that they have long envisaged supplemented by 2 smaller vessels around the 20-24m size.

2. Fisheries get similar vessels that suit there specific needs. They could operate jointly as an NZ Maritime Boarder Security Service but have the right resources to meet their needs out to 24nm. Funded staffed and manned accordingly.

3. The RNZN gets the 3rd OPV to conduct tasking specifically in the deep South and South West. This will leave the Civilian agencies in conjunction with the NMCC to look after their very different tasking requirements in very different localities, whilst the RNZN can deliver the long range persistent enforcement where it best meets the EEZ needs. Ideally of course with a 4th OPV then NZ can also conduct the emerging South Pacific Patrols to protect the outer EEZ of the island states.

What is evolving is an eventual transition away from a one size fits all policy that has not worked for any of the parties per the IPV's. Defence wants to recover more of its core military role, both Customs and MFish as the most evoked EEZ parties want to be able to focus on ending their competing needs without the tasking compromises that have stemmed from incompatible vessels. The IPV's are too big and possibly too few for one role and too small for the other.

Smaller inshore patrol vessels operated by the current customers to suit their needs. Even if it is under combined flag of a Maritime Border Protection Agency - buy having the maritime constabulary taskings under their control and budgets we could ring fence that out of the NZDF equation. Yes the NZDF can chime on in with the outer EEZ stuff where bigger and more specialised vessels and indeed aircraft are needed.

As to canning the IPV’s - I actually agree with it. I do not see it as a downgrade but a way for solving the current incompatibility of solely using the RNZN to look after the competing maritime needs of 6 other government agencies that have competing interests within our inner EEZ, Customs and MFish in particular. By taking the NZDF substantially out of the equation and letting the civilian agencies take ownership is better for the nation as a whole.

If all 4 IPV's can be converted into 2 further OPV's joining the Otago and the Wellington to make 4 OPV's, one of which is specifically built for SO/Antarctic tasking, plus a new larger LWSV, a new MPSV, the CY and the 2 upgraded frigates, well all we would be missing then is the 3rd frigate. That is the pathway back to a good little Navy again and not half a little Navy and half a little Coastguard.

The good little 'coastguard' or 'maritime security service' can be formed from Customs and Fisheries and the other civilian agency partners. Maybe the a couple of the Pacific Patrol Vessels coming through from Australia in the next few years would be ideal with four 20m Cats from a local builder like Q-West.

Cheers MrC
 
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RegR

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Thanks Reg for you considered reply.

I have changed the 300 claim of registered commercial fishing license holders to 1300 as you correctly state. I accepted my faulty memory on the numbers though the principle still stands that following the rationalisation of the commercial industry and the transfer of quotas to fewer players has completely changed the local fishing industry. There are far fewer small scale players than in the past.

Incidently I have zero trust in the NZ MSM and always assume that they are stretching the truth.

Customs have long wanted replacement vessels. They did their own needs review following the 2000 Maritime Review They are again pushing for this as it was something promoted again during the recent Martyn Dunne tenure. The following document outlines this on pages 18-30.

http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/sites/all/files/publications/annex_iv_customs.pdf

Customs only have the 16m launch Hawk IV. What they really have been after is two 30-40m vessels and two inshore craft larger and more stable than the Hawk IV. They have had interest in a Q-West type vessel for that inshore role.

Customs now want to run their own show and not be tied into the patrolling patterns of MFish or the Navy. They are actually more intel lead and reactive by necessity than MFish's patrolling requirements. There areas of interest are also different - the Cook strait and the BOI / Hauraki Gulf. They are also wanting interception at and beyond the 24nm zone for larger vessel boarding.

Looking through the lens of the Navy per crew manning numbers wise will never allow one to get to the actual issue here. If numbers are an issue it is in the competing training methodologies that a small navy has to endure and not the emphasis of the actual manning numbers of sailors to sea (or is that ship person or something from now on). Frigates v OPV's v IPV's - plus the specialist AOR, MCM and CY.

The sea tasking requirements MFish and Customs are essentially incompatible with each other. They want to be in different places and approach a target differently. One role (MFish) is more overt the other role (Customs) is more covert and directed in interception. One wants to be around the Campbell Islands monitoring Korean Factory Ships or 200ks off the West Coast when the other wants to be north of Great Barrier intercepting a private yacht or inspecting a 40000 tonne container ship.

The one size fits all solution of the IPV's is not helping any of the interested parties to deliver their remits to the government. No one is winning at present. In a way the policy failure comes down to loading the civilian parties onto a compromised vessel.

The Maritime Forces Review 16 years ago did indeed suggest 3 OPV's and 5 IPV's. It did not speculate on size requirements of the vessels at the time.

In many respects what should have happened is what may eventuate if all parties now get their way.

1. Customs get the vessels that they were after to monitor their geographically specific choke points. Two 30-40m vessels that they have long envisaged supplemented by 2 smaller vessels around the 20-24m size.

2. Fisheries get similar vessels that suit there specific needs. They could operate jointly as an NZ Maritime Boarder Security Service but have the right resources to meet their needs out to 24nm. Funded staffed and manned accordingly.

3. The RNZN gets the 3rd OPV to conduct tasking specifically in the deep South and South West. This will leave the Civilian agencies in conjunction with the NMCC to look after their very different tasking requirements in very different localities, whilst the RNZN can deliver the long range persistent enforcement where it best meets the EEZ needs. Ideally of course with a 4th OPV then NZ can also conduct the emerging South Pacific Patrols to protect the outer EEZ of the island states.

What is evolving is an eventual transition away from a one size fits all policy that has not worked for any of the parties per the IPV's. Defence wants to recover more of its core military role, both Customs and MFish as the most evoked EEZ parties want to be able to focus on ending their competing needs without the tasking compromises that have stemmed from incompatible vessels. The IPV's are too big and possibly too few for one role and too small for the other.

Smaller inshore patrol vessels operated by the current customers to suit their needs. Even if it is under combined flag of a Maritime Border Protection Agency - buy having the maritime constabulary taskings under their control and budgets we could ring fence that out of the NZDF equation. Yes the NZDF can chime on in with the outer EEZ stuff where bigger and more specialised vessels and indeed aircraft are needed.

As to canning the IPV’s - I actually agree with it. I do not see it as a downgrade but a way for solving the current incompatibility of solely using the RNZN to look after the competing maritime needs of 6 other government agencies that have competing interests within our inner EEZ, Customs and MFish in particular. By taking the NZDF substantially out of the equation and letting the civilian agencies take ownership is better for the nation as a whole.

If all 4 IPV's can be converted into 2 further OPV's joining the Otago and the Wellington to make 4 OPV's, one of which is specifically built for SO/Antarctic tasking, plus a new larger LWSV, a new MPSV, the CY and the 2 upgraded frigates, well all we would be missing then is the 3rd frigate. That is the pathway back to a good little Navy again and not half a little Navy and half a little Coastguard.

The good little 'coastguard' or 'maritime security service' can be formed from Customs and Fisheries and the other civilian agency partners. Maybe the a couple of the Pacific Patrol Vessels coming through from Australia in the next few years would be ideal with four 20m Cats from a local builder like Q-West.

Cheers MrC
Cheers MrC, I do remember them quoting the police q west vessels as being the lead for a class of vessels for government agencies but so far it has just been the police who have received them. The Wellington vessel was modified for the rigours of the area so supposedly has better seakeeping attributes. Yes agree customs hawk would not fair well outside of the bays so possibly a good time for replacement, perhaps they are waiting on the outcome of the IPVs to fully seal any deal and lend weight to any proposal. Would have thought they would be next in line anyway considering. I also note in the report that one of the constraints of the current hawk is its ability to carry a pursuit boat such as the naval RHIBs, a consideration for any replacement/upgrade of capability to facilitate better interception, monitoring and boarding.

I do see the overall logic in the 3rd OPV and it's somewhat multi-roleness it would bring to the table so yes if it was either than OPV for sure, I just hate seeing a compromise when IMO it should be a given. I did think if you can justify losing half the IPV fleet than should we just divest ourselves of the whole type but then I guess now the remaining 2 would/should actually be busy along with seamanship training, OOW, SAR, as well as patrolling etc although if we could trick the pollies into trading the last 2 IPV for that 3rd frigate well then maybe......
 

KiwiRob

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What the Navy and Govt are trying to do is rectify a $500m policy debacle that they inherited over a decade ago. That they had gifted to them the wrong vessels in the wrong numbers.
So what have the current goivt actually done, they have had 3 terms in the hot seat and will probably get a forth, but what have they actually accomplished in this arena?
 

MrConservative

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So what have the current goivt actually done, they have had 3 terms in the hot seat and will probably get a forth, but what have they actually accomplished in this arena?
Specifically with respect to Protector? Decide to sell at this stage 2 IPVs and look to replace them with a new OPV and hopefully sell 2 more and replace with another OPV.

The GFC and the CHC quakes which they have had to spend $17B on so far and with still more to come have not been a big help to them Rob. Right after inheriting a bloated public sector spend and an economy in recession for 3 straight quarters. That pretty much killed off their first term and the first half of their second in actually being able to to do much Defence wise. Two and a half terms so far actually, not three terms until the end of November next year. Recovery, planning and now consolidation.

Anyway why ask me this question Rob when you are more than capable of reading the numerous documents on the NZDF and Ministry websites.
 

40 deg south

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40 deg south

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Damen announces new range of Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels

On the same day as NZ confirms the imminent order of a multi-role dive support/hydrographic vessel, Damen unveils this new range. I'm sure the timing is a coincidence, but the largest of the three vessels will be of interest to NZ.

8 June 2016: During the Oceanographic Survey Vessel Conference in London, Damen Shipyards Group announced the introduction of a new range of Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels (MRAV). The common theme running through the series is the provision of a basic platform offering reliable and cost-effective multi-role potential and hydrographic survey capabilities to naval clients.

With the addition of supplementary modular mission equipment, this new family of Damen vessels can be mobilised in numerous, mainly littoral, naval tasks such as: explosive ordnance clearance and disposal, diving operations, torpedo recovery and overhaul, ROV and UAV deployment, SAR, coastal infantry and submarine support. The largest version of the range will be able to operate worldwide, on the ocean as well as in littoral waters. This ship has additional capabilities such as disaster and humanitarian relief, oceanography and naval training support.
H/t the always-interesting Think Defence site.
 

Lucasnz

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Damen announces new range of Naval Multi-Role Auxiliary Vessels

On the same day as NZ confirms the imminent order of a multi-role dive support/hydrographic vessel, Damen unveils this new range. I'm sure the timing is a coincidence, but the largest of the three vessels will be of interest to NZ.

H/t the always-interesting Think Defence site.
Interesting designs. I think the 3600 would be popular in NZ given its flexibility. The location of sea boats, while suitable (being located mid-ships) is open plan - after the experiences with Canterbury I would have preferred something located higher on the ship to prevent the boat deck getting to wet. Firing Arcs for the guns as positioned are interesting - Port Gun looks has a wider arc than the starboard gun - The starboard weapon would have a very limited arc in its current position. On the plus side the 3600 has the best range and endurance (4 weeks) for operations around the Pacific (and space for Tetral).

On another note the design is at 85 metres with flight deck only and no hangar - says something about the existing OPV (yes flight deck not required for the Littoral Warfare Ship).

Additional Thought: The design fits in with current NZ operating model of a ship with core crew and deployable elements from the Littoral Warfare Force based at Devonport.
 

chis73

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Dang, Damen must have seen my DWP submission! I ended up proposing a vessel very similar to the MRAV 1600 - essentially a mash up of the Canadian MCDV and the French La Perouse class hydrographic vessels; about the same length, but a couple of metres less in beam (approx 1000t - 1200t displacement, carrying 2-3 TEU mission modules). RNZN would have two of these to supplement (or perhaps replace) the LOSC, undertaking the technical jobs the quiet professional types do up & down the coast, sacrificing speed for endurance on-station & superior maneuverability / station-keeping.

The MRAV 3600 looks the goods for the LOSC requirement. Only question marks would be the top speed (they are looking for 18kts cruise from memory), and the position of the RHIB alcove, as noted.

Much more MRAV information and multiple-angle 3-D renders available by clicking the individual ships on this page (link).
 

kiwipatriot69

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Would be curious about the range of the vessel , as current HMNZS Manuwanui has a range of 5000 km according to RNZN webpage. So it would be expected to do southern ocean /pacific ops too i expect. I think seeing white paper suggested it be used as a support ship and carry extra personell,stores the larger 3600 would be more versitile, especially with better durability and heli deck.
 

Oberon

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Defence White Paper

Speaking of the Defence white paper, any idea when it will be released? I noticed in the supplementary Budget papers released a few weeks ago that capital charge is budgeted to increase next financial year.
 

40 deg south

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Harry DeWolf/AOPS costs?

Does anyone have an informed estimate of the per-vessel cost of Canada's new Arctic Offshore Patrol Ship? (Novascotiaboy - your thoughts especially welcome).

We have become accustomed to telephone number-like cost estimates associated with Canadian naval projects, which invariably have to be revised even higher. A quick glance on-line shows a project cost of $3.5 billion CAN, but whether that gets you five or six ships depends on which politician you believe. But that cost includes rebuilding a shipyard and hiring/training a bunch of staff. Has anyone actually produced a per-vessel figure once the setup and design costs are excluded? (I'm assuming Canada might we willing to write those off as sunk costs in order to secure an export order).

NZ will soon be in the market for an ice-hardened OPV, a niche not exactly flooded with current building programmes. My instinct is that any Canadian vessel will be simply too expensive for NZ to consider, but I would be interested in learning more. Do our nautical observers here have any views on whether the vessel would suit NZ's requirements? I wonder whether sea-keeping would be suitable for the Southern Ocean, and whether perhaps it has more ice protection than NZ needs?

Thoughts, gentlemen?
 
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Novascotiaboy

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The final cost for the hopefully six A/OPS vessels is going to be too damn much for what we are going to get. I have no doubt that they will be well built and functional , as I was on the assembly hall floor in February as components were coming together, but the costs are not going to be competitive for sny export opportunities.

The A/OPS design is loosely based upon the Norwegian Svarlbad Coast Guard vessel. Going to a Norwegian yard for a one off vessel would be more cost effective as the steel work would likely be completed in Romania and fitting out completed in the Norwegian yard. The final quality of Norwegian PSV's IMHO is superior to others operating from Halifax. Irving is (was) capable of building similar vessels including the Atlantic Hawk and Atlantic Condor yet since the yard upgrades have chosen to have their new hulls built in Romania for their own sister company Atlantic Towing. These new vessels will be operating out of St. John's Newfoundland in support of the oil and gas industry in the Grand Banks.

Although not the same sea conditions as your southern ocean the waters off northern Norway is still cold and unforgiving. Plans already exist and technology upgrades could allow crew reduction to reduce thru life costs. Helicopter capable for up to NHI 90 and mounting a 57 mm cannon she offers much as an existing design for your third OPV.
 

MrConservative

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Harry DeWolf/AOPS costs?

Does anyone have an informed estimate of the per-vessel cost of Canada's new Arctic Offshore Patrol Ship? (Novascotiaboy - your thoughts especially welcome).

We have become accustomed to telephone number-like cost estimates associated with Canadian naval projects, which invariably have to be revised even higher. A quick glance on-line shows a project cost of $3.5 billion CAN, but whether that gets you five or six ships depends on which politician you believe. But that cost includes rebuilding a shipyard and hiring/training a bunch of staff. Has anyone actually produced a per-vessel figure once the setup and design costs are excluded? (I'm assuming Canada might we willing to write those off as sunk costs in order to secure an export order).

NZ will soon be in the market for an ice-hardened OPV, a niche not exactly flooded with current building programmes. My instinct is that any Canadian vessel will be simply too expensive for NZ to consider, but I would be interested in learning more. Do our nautical observers here have any views on whether the vessel would suit NZ's requirements? I wonder whether sea-keeping would be suitable for the Southern Ocean, and whether perhaps it has more ice protection than NZ needs?

Thoughts, gentlemen?
The Harry Dewol Class are essentially Canadian built versions of the NoCVG KV Svalbard which Novascotiaboy mentioned cost around US$80m less radar when built back about 15 years. A large ice capable OPV with some logistics capability should not cost anything near what the Canadian program costs.
 

MrConservative

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40 Degree South

Going to a Norwegian yard for a one off vessel would be more cost effective as the steel work would likely be completed in Romania and fitting out completed in the Norwegian yard. The final quality of Norwegian PSV's IMHO is superior to others operating from Halifax. Irving is (was) capable of building similar vessels including the Atlantic Hawk and Atlantic Condor yet since the yard upgrades have chosen to have their new hulls built in Romania for their own sister company Atlantic Towing. These new vessels will be operating out of St. John's Newfoundland in support of the oil and gas industry in the Grand Banks.
There is also the NZ-South Korea FTA which has a number of competitive advantages not just with respect to the shipbuilding of a future ice capable OPV. A licensed design from a European design firm but built in a Korean yard is also possible.
 

Novascotiaboy

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There is also the NZ-South Korea FTA which has a number of competitive advantages not just with respect to the shipbuilding of a future ice capable OPV. A licensed design from a European design firm but built in a Korean yard is also possible.
That would be ideal. There is no reason Norwegian design can not be replicated by Hyundai for the LOSC and the third OPV. They seem to have the faith of the Government with the follow on version of END II.

Has a final design been chosen for the MSC? The 19000 ton Damen design would be a very good replacement combining all the features noted. I really like the images showing the CB90's and LCM's in davits.
 

kiwipatriot69

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Are suggesting a possible frigate build from South Korean shipyards,in addition to a possible Opv or LOSC? Do they have good experiance in building warships
 

ngatimozart

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Are suggesting a possible frigate build from South Korean shipyards,in addition to a possible Opv or LOSC? Do they have good experiance in building warships
They do. They build the warships for their own navy plus export. They have built and are building Aegis class destroyers for the South Korean navy plus they build their own subs, plus the Dokdo Class LPH
 
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40 deg south

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That would be ideal. There is no reason Norwegian design can not be replicated by Hyundai for the LOSC and the third OPV. They seem to have the faith of the Government with the follow on version of END II.

Has a final design been chosen for the MSC? The 19000 ton Damen design would be a very good replacement combining all the features noted. I really like the images showing the CB90's and LCM's in davits.
I also like the look of the Damen design, but it may have emerged too late to be seriously considered.

We know only that DSME and Hyundai were shortlisted. DSME were offering (to both NZ and Australia) variants of the Aegir 18R that Norway has ordered.
Hyundai's offering has never been disclosed.

Hyundai is known to be working on a new class of three 'fast replenishment ships' for the ROK navy, dubbed AOE-II class. They also have (or are close to getting, depending on which report you believe) a contract to design and assist in the building of new fleet support ships for India. My guess is that the proposal for NZ will be based on one of these designs - or indeed these programmes they may share the same base hull. Unfortunately, there is little reliable information available in English on either class of vessel, as far as I can find. I am quietly resigned to remaining in the dark until a contract is signed, which will hopefully be in the next month or so.
 

MrConservative

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Are suggesting a possible frigate build from South Korean shipyards,in addition to a possible Opv or LOSC? Do they have good experiance in building warships
I don't think anyone in the NZDF has suggested a possible Frigate from the RoSK as such - at this time. However, that may change what with a clear NZ focus on the region not just in defence but diplomacy and trade. Their national industry strategy is focused on military exports.

They do build very capable ships including combatants. The recent Sejong the Great Class and proposed KDXIIA Class destroyers are an example. HHI also have produced a smaller surface combatant called the Incheon Class which has quite a bit of bang for its buck. One thing though is the Koreans have big crews which is a luxury we do not have. Increased automation though is not beyond them in the least.
 
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