Jet wash signage ?I'm surprised that some of the more excitable advocates for JSF jumpers haven't been revved up about the writing on the side of the islands onHMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra.....
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SouthernSky
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Unless the B's have a stealth set of rotors I'm not sure there's much to get excited about.
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deletedI'm surprised that some of the more excitable advocates for JSF jumpers haven't been revved up about the writing on the side of the islands onHMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra.....
yep, got it in one
SouthernSky
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It says rotor wash not jet wash.
SpazSinbad
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Thanks 'SouthernSky' I'll try attaching a JPG showing this sign (uploaded to the ADFserials.com website by 'FlyCookie' but since deleted? It was on this thread:
ADF Serials Message Board -> MRH-90 for |Navy [24 Apr 2015] " HMAS Canberra, with a MRH on final approach"
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will have to double check when I get back to work - as I'm pretty sure I saw forward on HMAS Canberra the jet wash warning - it was on the internal web site so can't check from a non work computer
Joe Black
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HMS Ocean... any chance of RAN acquiring it?
Hi all, just read somewhere HMS Ocean will soon be decomissioned from RN service. Any chance of RAN picking this beauty up as well? I guess it is remote, but just wondering if you good folks think there could be an off chance that RAN gets a third LHD real quick opportunistically.
Hi all, just read somewhere HMS Ocean will soon be decomissioned from RN service. Any chance of RAN picking this beauty up as well? I guess it is remote, but just wondering if you good folks think there could be an off chance that RAN gets a third LHD real quick opportunistically.
The barracuda is vapourware - it suffers from the same problems that people have conveniently sheeted home to collins in the last 15 years - ie scaled up and re-engined is a non trivial exercise
and in the case of the barracuda, if someone thinks that you can re-engine a nuke with a conventional drive train and that its insignificant at the risk level at the engineering level - well, good luck to another 15 years of political grief with that sub as it falls over at every milestone.
its an absolute canard for some companies and individuals to argue that changing the range of a Soryu based on curr requirements is an acquisition delimiter
it is errant nonsense
the japanese are the only ones with a trouble free platform in the water and available and with a proven track record.
NONE of the others do against what is envisaged
King Wally
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We just got our 2 new LHD's in the water, we're not the right customer for this opportunity. Sure someone out there could use it though. To my mind someone like the Royal Canadian Navy would be more in need.
HMS Ocean is an LPH, not an LHD (no dock!) and will be 25 years old in 2018. I don't think we'd much want it given that the cost of refitting a middle aged ship for a role we haven't yet defined on the off chance of getting a bargain is not a good way to make these decisions.
When we bought RFA Largs Bay (HMAS Choules) we were desperate for ANY amphibious capability, she was cheap and almost new. Despite some unforeseen costs she now fills one of the sealift spots we already needed to fill.
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t68
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The Dutch supply ship Karel Doorman would make a good fit for the RCN (and RNZN) pity they are keeping her now.
Only thing I am not entirely sold is have large quantity of flammable liquid storage together with your combat teams, but she make a good stratigic sealift ship.
We don't have enough helicopters to fill the combined need's of the land based forces, 2 LHD's, 1 LPD and all the FFH's, FFG's and DDG's, Acquiring an LPH would probably have a negative effect on our operations.
In regards to its age where oldsig mention it being 25 years old in 2018, Is the age of a ship from when it is first laid down (1994 for HMS Ocean, So 25 years old in 2019) or from when it is first commissioned? I always thought it was from commissioning in which case she still has a good decade of life in her, Possibly two.. But I could be wrong.
I imagine Canada, India and Brazil will all have a look at her.
The Japanese are a lot closer to spec than anyone else. The other proposals are pretty much power point right now.
and thats the worry, as all these tame journos and pollies that have been wined, dined and feted will white ant any proposal that doesn't reflect the last big jolly that they've been on
unfort the sub process has been tarnished already - and all of a sudden we have a rush of "experts" extolling the virtues of solutions when quite frankly they wouldn't know the difference between a microwave and a flat screen TV.
when you read some of the articles they write explaining why "x" is preferred over "y" it becomes pretty apparent that 1) they're getting fed and 2) they have no idea what the most important issues are in selection
and then to cap it all off, we then get subjected to intrastate and interstate fractricide as they all jump in ready to eat the others young.
t68
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On the country I think she would make a wonderfully fit if she was in decent matrial state, she could be the deadicated ASW support ship to the LHD in a similer set up to Volks ambitious Hygua ASW hunter killer task group and keeping the LHD free for there primary tasking. Totally agree on your thoughts on helicopter numbers though
Me too, but the RN had already decided she was for the chop in 2018 several years ago, then extended her to fill in for the decommissioned carriers while waiting on QE. Whether she's 23 or 25 is hardly material; it's still at least a half life expended ship unless we want to risk pouring money into an increasingly elderly hull we don't actually need.
oldsig
Their primary tasking is to be a floating B1 (ie HQJOC) - and to act as an extension of B1
they are a multi-hat asset, so there is no reason why they won't become flag in an ASW group - and this is the "trend" that everyone is looking at with respect to the sudden rush of acquisitions of pretend aircraft carriers by a bevy of navies
the CONOPs for phat ships is bigger and broader than any other skimmer in the fleet - and thats driven by the philosophy of using them as a maritime B1
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