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rockitten said:
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Just wonder GF, the periscope manufacturer in UK ( which many in this forum seems praised their products a lot) is now being owned by Thales, does that count as French or not?
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the photonics used by RN and USN are BAE products, so I'm not sure the USN would be concerned about Thales tech anyway - although where french capability is involved there are IP and ITARs firewalls in place

I don't have an issue with discretionary tech from France - my experience with french platforms and company behaviour has not been as good - and thats the case for a number of our partners - including NATO partners
 
Out of curiosity, I'm yet to see the 1st landing spot used on HMAS Canberra (ie very front landing spot) - are there any issues surrounding it?
 
weegee said:
Again during my morning browse of the internet I came across this:

FNQ vs WA: Cairns short-listed for Pacific Patrol Boat contract | Cairns Post

It will be interesting to see who comes out on top? Has anyone seen both proposals that they can talk about? Is there a design that stands out over the other one?
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Very interesting, weegee.

Does anyone know which Damen design that is?

I've no naval expertise, but have occasionally shared a beer with end-users in the Pacific (through choice of dodgy watering holes, rather than any professional links).. They really do love having the PPBs, and appreciate their simplicity and durability.

Improvements they have suggested over a cold Solbrew/Vailima/ Royal are:
- greater length, to provide for more workroom/ stores
- better electronic fit-out
- better seakeeping (not high-end, but to improve crew comfort in a medium swell)
- ability to launch a RHIB while underway

This latter one is seen as having real potential to improve the speed that fisheries checks etc can be done.
 
40 deg south said:
Very interesting, weegee.

Does anyone know which Damen design that is?

I've no naval expertise, but have occasionally shared a beer with end-users in the Pacific (through choice of dodgy watering holes, rather than any professional links).. They really do love having the PPBs, and appreciate their simplicity and durability.

Improvements they have suggested over a cold Solbrew/Vailima/ Royal are:
- greater length, to provide for more workroom/ stores
- better electronic fit-out
- better seakeeping (not high-end, but to improve crew comfort in a medium swell)
- ability to launch a RHIB while underway

This latter one is seen as having real potential to improve the speed that fisheries checks etc can be done.
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This is the closest I can find as a standard offering is the Stan Patrol 4207:

Stan Patrol 4207

more links are available on the web page. Length specified could be confusing as it may be length overall & the specification may specify a measured length which are two different things.
 
Pyne mentioned the future frigate contract to South Australia on Q and A last night. He advised the DWP and another strategic paper were to be released and that the next six months would be a very exciting time for shipbuilding/jobs/defence. I missed the segment on submarines for which I was thankful.
 
rand0m said:
Out of curiosity, I'm yet to see the 1st landing spot used on HMAS Canberra (ie very front landing spot) - are there any issues surrounding it?
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Check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnaAWwXN83E

There is a great compilation of videos about canberra and JCI on his you tube page,

On the Roger.

JCI got a proper high intensity check flight ops, day and night during Trident Juncture 2015 , biggest Nato war-games in twenty years.

There are no issues but the spot is sort of protected from head winds until you clear the ramp, similar to take off from a frigate or destroyer ( so I heard from a navy helo pilot)

Hope it was of help.

Regards
 
Good morning Gents.

I have a random question that I thought about last night. Its really more of a hypothetical than anything else. But I was wondering what will happen to the Collins class when the new subs come on line? ( I know its a long way off yet) Will they still be serviceable or way too shagged to be useful for anyone?
Is it a possibility that the freshest couple could be gifted to the NZN to help get their toes wet in the Submarine game at a fraction of the cost of buying a new sub capability? Would this be something that NZ would be interested in the first place? And would we be happy in helping our Anzac cousins with such secretive service?
As I said just a hypothetical but would be interested in hearing peoples thoughts.
 
weegee said:
Good morning Gents.

I have a random question that I thought about last night. Its really more of a hypothetical than anything else. But I was wondering what will happen to the Collins class when the new subs come on line? ( I know its a long way off yet) Will they still be serviceable or way too shagged to be useful for anyone?
Is it a possibility that the freshest couple could be gifted to the NZN to help get their toes wet in the Submarine game at a fraction of the cost of buying a new sub capability? Would this be something that NZ would be interested in the first place? And would we be happy in helping our Anzac cousins with such secretive service?
As I said just a hypothetical but would be interested in hearing peoples thoughts.
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Can't imagine that they'll go anywhere - they would have to be disposed of locally due to IP issues

and they don't fit inside the kiwis force dev model - so can't see them getting gifted even if they weren't shagged
 
gf0012-aust said:
Can't imagine that they'll go anywhere - they would have to be disposed of locally due to IP issues

and they don't fit inside the kiwis force dev model - so can't see them getting gifted even if they weren't shagged
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I had a suspicion this would be the case. Well if NZ can't get them no one would. Hopefully we will see some nice examples around the county as museum pieces.
 
gf0012-aust said:
Can't imagine that they'll go anywhere - they would have to be disposed of locally due to IP issues

and they don't fit inside the kiwis force dev model - so can't see them getting gifted even if they weren't shagged
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What about if Singaporean Navy were interested to buy a pair or two?
 
Slightly different topic but RAN related.
I have been out of the country for the last month and flew into Sydney yesterday.
Overflying Garden Island the two LHDs were obvious, but there was not a single frigate tied up - no FFGs or FFHs.
I am aware that HMAS Sydney has just decommissioned, but .......
where are they all?
MB
 
The enclosed pic was taken by an ex Attack boat Charge Engineer about 20 miles South of Singapore. The ship is KRI Silea ex
HMAS Acute.
Hard to imagine our current crop lasting this long but I imagine there has been a fair amount of hull replating over the last 35 years
 
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Joe Black said:
What about if Singaporean Navy were interested to buy a pair or two?
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Still the potential for IP and various ITARS issues given where some of the Collins-class kit is sourced from. Not to mention whether or not the capabilities would fit with what Singapore wants/needs for their subs. Apart from operating in the tropics, the waters around Singapore are much more confined (like around the Baltic for Sweden) than some of the blue water ops which the RAN does.

If memory serves, some of the old O boats would occasionally be sent north to take some, ahem, -stok photos... From inside the harbor once at least IIRC. I suspect that any Singaporean sub would be tasked more to provide ISR and act as a potential threat to any force which might threaten or seek to cut the SLOC to and through Singapore. Which means the need to potentially engage attack nukes in deep water is unneeded. By the same token, I do not see Singapore's armed forces configured for amphibious operations away from Singapore such that a 'friendly' sub would be needed to sanitize an area prior to the arrival of the assault vessels.

Basically the RAN needs to be able to operate both 'locally' as well as very far from Oz, which is something few other nations really require, especially from conventional subs. Only Canada and to a lesser degree, Japan, have such requirements (at least for Western subs).
 
Joe Black said:
What about if Singaporean Navy were interested to buy a pair or two?
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Very very unlikely. Different type of boat for the roles the require, Not to mention Singapore is moving away from second hand boats with the future type 218, If they needed extra submarines then they are more likely to acquire more of them then an orphaned class whose IP issues are not certain.
 
Blas de Lezo said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiOZLN22vkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0jKqGhf_68

Night ops are something else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjQDjLqHVCk

JCI got its Osprey full certification before Trident Juncture, there are some videos of the certification on the same page.

Some pretty awesome videos of Camberra also.
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Wait a sec, isn't the JC1 only meant to be able to operate 1 x MV22 at a time? there are 3 on the deck & at least a spot for 1 more :confused::confused:
 
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