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Haavarla

Haavarla

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Feanor said:
Not handed over, but flown to Morozovsk. It appears that it will be the second base to get them. Those of you who don't know, Morozovsk is right next to Voronezh, further south and east.. I.e. they, like the Voronezh-based ones, seem to be intended to operate in support of operations in the North Caucus. Maybe it's logistically easier to rearm bases close to each other first.

The base is the 2nd Air Group of Airbase 6972. Source: bmpd -
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According to my book(which might be outdated)
Morozovsk AB is placed under the
4th Air and Air Defence Command(Southern MD)

And further more, Morozovsk Is the 6970th Air Base.
It contains two bomber sq of Su-24M. Former units and personel from both 559th BAP and 1st BAP.


It will probably get some around the same number of units like the
7000th Air Base Voronezh-Baltimore under the 1st Air and Defence Command(Northen MD)

Note, the two Su-34 Air bases are not under the same Air and Defence Command.

Source: www.AirforcesIntel.com
 
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Feanor

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Honestly I can't keep track of airbase numbers anymore. It's been changed far too often in the last 4 years. Apparently there are a bunch of first tier airbases, which consist of multiple physical airbases, a bunch of second and third tier airbases which usually consist of a single physical airbase. The first tier airbases are broken up into Air Groups each of which appears to be its own physical airbase. It's entirely possible that Morozovsk used to be the 6970th Airbase, but is now an Air Group of the 6972nd. Or the other way around.

Meanwhile formation of a new demo group on the Yak-130 planes has started. Idiocy in my opinion.

There were also some interesting trials of the Su-34, at maximum range with a mid-air refueling.
 
Haavarla

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You are correct. I might have posted something about the latest Structure about VVS here. But i can't find the article in question...

Anyway, i Guess we can discard my above post.. its dates back the 2011 Dec. Old News..


I thought the Yak-130 display units would replace the Mig-29 display unit?
 
Feanor

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I thought so too. However currently the Yak-130 group is being formed at the Borisoglebsk training center. Nowhere near the Strizhi group. And with the expanded MiG-29SMT procurement there's enough new Fulcrum airframes to re-equip them. So it looks like there will be 3 using combat aircraft, not to mention the DOSAAF pilot group that uses the L-39s.
 
alexkvaskov

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Mig and the MO have signed a deal for 16 Mig-29SMT fighters, the Mig-35 has been delayed until at least 2016.

Russian Military to Buy 16 MiG-29SMT Fighter Jets

Just goes to show how far the 35 is from being ready, can't believe they offered it to India as the MMRCA. Not to mention that this procurement is a lot more logical than previous purchases. Obviously the debate will continue whether the VVS should just withdraw the Fulcrum from service but I doubt this will happen when the fighter force is so small and with so few modern types in service. IMHO they ought to downsize the Fulcrum force and replace the rest with the SMT, and upgrade them with goodies meant for the 35 over time.
 
Haavarla

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I'm quite sure that these SMT are in fact a surplus Storage of parts which dates years back, just like the Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2 was over at KnAAZ.

This means those SMT are super cheap and time saving to procure for VVS.
Most likely they will have even better/newer system than the original SMT in service.
 
Feanor

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alexkvaskov said:
Mig and the MO have signed a deal for 16 Mig-29SMT fighters, the Mig-35 has been delayed until at least 2016.

Russian Military to Buy 16 MiG-29SMT Fighter Jets

Just goes to show how far the 35 is from being ready, can't believe they offered it to India as the MMRCA. Not to mention that this procurement is a lot more logical than previous purchases. Obviously the debate will continue whether the VVS should just withdraw the Fulcrum from service but I doubt this will happen when the fighter force is so small and with so few modern types in service. IMHO they ought to downsize the Fulcrum force and replace the rest with the SMT, and upgrade them with goodies meant for the 35 over time.
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Old news. I think I posted this info here a while back. The MiG-35 is not the MiG-29M, or rather the other way around. And it's in serial production. The MiG-35 project intended for the MMRCA is probably gone entirely.

Haavarla said:
I'm quite sure that these SMT are in fact a surplus Storage of parts which dates years back, just like the Su-27SM3 and Su-30M2 was over at KnAAZ.

This means those SMT are super cheap and time saving to procure for VVS.
Most likely they will have even better/newer system than the original SMT in service.
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The original 4 Su-30M2s purchased were leftovers form an unsigned Chinese contract. However the 16 more that were recently contracted are probably not.
 
alexkvaskov

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A new over the horizon tropospheric scatter radar array has come online in Central Western Russia, the 29B6 "Container".

bmpd -

I assume this kind of array is meant for detecting low flying targets like aircraft and missiles which can sneak in under early warning radars like the Voronezh type. I keep wondering if the new radar is integrated with PVO/VVS units. Is it possible in principle to have an OTH EW array feed data to AWACS, GBAD and fast jets?
 
Sandhi Yudha

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Thanks Feanor and Haavarla for the links! The T-50-5 is a beautiful bird....
The original 4 Su-30M2s purchased were leftovers form an unsigned Chinese contract. However the 16 more that were recently contracted are probably not.
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Klaus said:
Another pair of Su-30SM wearing serials 04 and 05 has arrived at Domna AB. This brings the number of the SM-version in service to 11.
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Su-27SM, Su-27SM3, Su-30SM, Su-30M2....I cant help it, its still confusing all those different versions.... i think the VVS itself also sometimes get confused with two different new Su-30 versions....
According to Wiki:
Su-30M2
A Su-30 version from manufacturer KnAAPO based on the Su-30MK with canards and optional thrust-vectoring. The Russian Air Force placed an initial order for the variant in 2009.

Su-30SM
A specialised version of the thrust-vectoring Su-30MKI for Russian military.[19] A contract for 60 of the multirole fighter was signed in March 2012 with delivery by 2016.[citation needed] On 21 September 2012 Su-30SM performed its maiden flight.
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So they have both canards and TVC, but the Su-30SM is newer than the Su-30M2...im i right?
 
Feanor

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alexkvaskov said:
A new over the horizon tropospheric scatter radar array has come online in Central Western Russia, the 29B6 "Container".

bmpd -

I assume this kind of array is meant for detecting low flying targets like aircraft and missiles which can sneak in under early warning radars like the Voronezh type. I keep wondering if the new radar is integrated with PVO/VVS units. Is it possible in principle to have an OTH EW array feed data to AWACS, GBAD and fast jets?
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In principle sure. But are they set up to receive it? And what could they do with it? I recall reading that soviet era OTH radars were aimed at the US and set up to detect a mass missile launch, but could not really see much else. Interestingly enough this physical array was completed in 2002, and has been in experimental use and trials since then. A second one has begun construction, with IOC expected in 2018. However details on it's capabilities and intended use are absent.

Sandhi Yudha said:
Su-27SM, Su-27SM3, Su-30SM, Su-30M2....I cant help it, its still confusing all those different versions.... i think the VVS itself also sometimes get confused with two different new Su-30 versions....
According to Wiki:

So they have both canards and TVC, but the Su-30SM is newer than the Su-30M2...im i right?
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No. The Su-30MK went down two development paths. The Su-30MKI which became in Russian service the Su-30SM. It has TVC and canards. It has the advanced PESA radar, the Indian on-board computer, and is the most advanced variant of the Su-30. Then there was the Su-30MK2 which became the Su-30MKK when upgraded further. It has no canards and no TVC. It has an older radar and iirc a Russian mission computer. It's cheaper, and less capable, but still provides a decent 4th gen. heavy multi-role.
 
Haavarla

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Also, remember that KnAAPO and Irkut(IAPO) are two different entity. They produce different Products of the Flanker linage. They are in some ways competitors.

You can't expect them to name their Products the same as their competitors.
Anyway, as Feanor states, there are some distinct difference on their features, mission role and capabilities.
 
Feanor

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Some updates. The Eleron-3SV UAVs have been bought, a total of 34 of them (17 complexes 2 UAVs each).

Lenta.ru:

Also ADCOM Systems is claiming they have a contract for United 40 block 5 UAVs to be sold to Russia, a small batch for trials. First UAV is to be delivered in February. Now ADCOM Systems hired Kharkov Aviation Institute to do a considerable amount of work for them, including testing on 4 different UAVs.

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http://periscope2.ru/2013/12/03/7857/

Also night training is planned for the first time with West MD units flying Mi-35Ms, Mi-28N, and Mi-26 helos, MiG-31BMs fighters.

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Finally pilots from a line unit have begun training on the Su-35S. Prior to this only specially trained pilots were trained on them.

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44439/

And the Il-476 has completed the first stage of state trials.

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/44420/
 
alexkvaskov

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Looks like Russia is serious about establishing itself in the Arctic.

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Along with the future Voronezh BMD radars at Vorkuta (relocated from the Daryal array at Pechora btw, perhaps they intend the two to serve alongside for some time), Krasnoyarsk (almost guaranteed to be facing north/north east), radio-technical nodes are planned at Anadyr, Franz Josef Land and Novaya Zemlya. The Temp and Tiski air bases are being restored; future plans even call for S-500s deployed up there.

They will need to station VVS assets in addition to the ground based air defence and surveillance they're currently setting up in order to fully flesh out coverage over the northern reaches. Complete radar coverage and improved infrastructure along the Northern Sea Route should also make it a more attractive option for shipping in the future, as well as oil and gas extraction. I expect greater investment in the coast guard and offshore patrol capabilities for the Northern Fleet in the near future. Pity there's such a dearth of information on NF SSN/SSBN/SSGN deployments to see what else they're up to.
 
alexkvaskov

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Feanor said:
Also night training is planned for the first time with West MD units flying Mi-35Ms, Mi-28N, and Mi-26 helos, MiG-31BMs fighters.
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First time on the new/upgraded aircraft, correct? Surely this can't the first time the Western MD air command are training at night and poor weather.
 
Feanor

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alexkvaskov said:
First time on the new/upgraded aircraft, correct? Surely this can't the first time the Western MD air command are training at night and poor weather.
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First time for those particular upgraded aircraft.

EDIT: There we go. Pavel Podvig comes through, with info on the Konteyner RLS.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2013/12/russia_begins_deployment_of_ov.shtml

http://bastion-karpenko.ru/container/
http://www.e-reading.co.uk/chapter.php/115295/15/Babakin_-_Bitva_v_ionosfere.html
http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/newspaper/item/13117-zagorizontnyj-ryvok-rossii

According to Red Star
Apparently this radar is designed to detect and track actual aircraft, and cruise missiles at ranges of 3000 km. The radar apparently uses new mathematical models that allow to determine the type of target in real time, without needing to calculate the entire flight trajectory. No info on any capabilities regarding LO platforms.

According to Battle in the Ionosphere
The first OTH radar of this type was the Volna created for the Soviet VMF, entered service in 1990. The second was the Telets. Both serve with the Pacific Fleet, and have been used to track US Naval assets. Container was originally a mobile OTH radar, with ranges of 1000 to 2000 kms. The first one started trials in 2000. Apparently new automated command and control systems for the VVS include the ability to receive information from Container.

According to Bastion
The Container is a new OTH radar that has tracked small aircraft in Holland, from Mordoviya. A network of them is planned.

EDIT2: And apparently a hypersonic warhead was tested in Sep of this year, for the UR-100 missile, but the test failed.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2013/12/test_of_a_hypersonic_vehicle_i.shtml
 
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