Royal Australian Air Force [RAAF] News, Discussions and Updates

[ADMk2]

Extra dollars would be from the state not federally funded, which in turn would deplete resources from the SES not a good idea.

The original idea was that retiring ADF equipment be used for a national guard, so the concept is not entirely State funded and in any case the states get a large proportion of their funding from theFederal Government anyway.

Any State funding in Australia for a reserve, local militia, national guard whatever you want to call it, would come at the expense of funding for the local police, health and existing emergency management departments, all of which are under-funded in Australia and would only provide unnecessary duplication of ADF or existing state resources.

I think the better course of action would be to bring in a managed retirement scheme, where existing ADF assets can be retired in a timely fashion, but with sufficient effective life left, so we can sell the assets wherever possible, rather than running them into the ground and then "wrecking" them...

But that would require a Government prepared to invest in Defence and make timely and regular funding decisions and we don't have that, which is why ADF is in the state it is.

 

[hairyman]

When did we last have a government prepared to invest in defence and make timely and regular funding decisions. I cant remember one. Probably Curtain and Chifley.

 

[Tee_Centre_10]

Hmm. It seems another six ex-RAAF C-130H might be sold to Indonesia when they are retired.
The article states this is in addition to the previous four that were donated to the TNI-AU, making for 10 of the 12 C-130H. With one more going to Point Cook (according to Air Force), that leaves one to be disposed of or kept as an instructional airframe.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Hmm. It seems another six ex-RAAF C-130H might be sold to Indonesia when they are retired.
The article states this is in addition to the previous four that were donated to the TNI-AU, making for 10 of the 12 C-130H. With one more going to Point Cook (according to Air Force), that leaves one to be disposed of or kept as an instructional airframe.

Hey, I'll take it, I'll start saving for the JP today,,,,,,,,let see where is the old mans dash -1? Ain't 130s just the greatest, the most faithfull of LochMart birds, and the official Maggart family bird. I'll never forget the time I crashed the C-130 simulator at Sewart AFB, I think I was 9, long before cockpit displays, just black paint on the inside of the windshield, I wasn't much of an instrument pilot then either, but there were benefits of being an Air Force Brat. Cheers

 

[Tee_Centre_10]

I remembered yesterday that an RAAF C-130H was rumoured (in Jane's) to have been given COMINT/SIGINT capabilities in the mid-90s under a program called "Peace Mate".
Perhaps that is the one left over? It'd take longer to remove all the sensitive/special mission gear.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I remembered yesterday that an RAAF C-130H was rumoured (in Jane's) to have been given COMINT/SIGINT capabilities in the mid-90s under a program called "Peace Mate".
Perhaps that is the one left over? It'd take longer to remove all the sensitive/special mission gear.

While I wouldn't know, it is possible, when my Dad went to SEA during the 60s, he did two weeks of training at Pope AFB, NC, and Hurlburt AFB, Florida. He also went to Panama and Washington state for "survival training". I was particularly mystified by his Hurlburt assignment which was to transition into the C-123 an aircraft my Dad had flown but "loathed". I later found out the C-123 were initially operated by "Air America" and were the initial "heavy chain" aircraft, but were found inadequate, and the C-130s then assumed the "heavy chain" mission, which supported MACVSOG. He had lots of slides of the old "Fulton Recovery System" being tested in SEA, slides inside the airplane and on the ground. These aircraft were also equipped with the "terrain following radar" out of the F-111 or F-4, and lots of ECM equipment, and my Dad made several remarks about "wetting his pants" as the radar was integrated into the autopilot, and would fly the aircraft at between 200' to 500'. This aircraft was designated the MC-130e, later becoming known as the "Combat Talon". Cheers Brat, these 130s were known as "rivet yard".

My mom tells me the slides were loaned another squadron officer at LRAFB, Ar and were sadly never returned, but we do have a couple of black and white 35 mms taken on the ramp at Tan Son Nhut of the "black birds" I believe it was in SEA where my Dad became aqainted with several Aussies, with whom he was quite entertained?

 

[jack412]

I just went to the Gov site to see when the defence report will be tabled and saw that clown club has been quite active, they have submitted 13 submissions so far.
I guess you can pile shit very high

House of Representatives Committees – Parliament of Australia

 

[ngatimozart]

I just went to the Gov site to see when the defence report will be tabled and saw that clown club has been quite active, they have submitted 13 submissions so far.
I guess you can pile shit very high

House of Representatives Committees – Parliament of Australia

Somebody should find something for them to do and post them somewhere rather remote to do it, like in the middle of the Greaty Sandy Desert with no access to electronic devices or Australia Post. I would suggest that the task being scoping possible sites for a clandestine secret foreign air arm forward base for Su33s and their ilk. With their ex[cough]pertise yhet would be just the people.

 

[wrs]

I just went to the Gov site to see when the defence report will be tabled and saw that clown club has been quite active, they have submitted 13 submissions so far.
I guess you can pile shit very high

House of Representatives Committees – Parliament of Australia

If they are so wrong, why not put in your own submissions?

 

[SpudmanWP]

Speaking for myself, the adults in the room don't need my help proving that the children don't know what they are talking about.

 

[ADMk2]

If they are so wrong, why not put in your own submissions?

No need. The Royal Australian Air Force and Lockheed Martin, the professionals who actually do this stuff for a living, have already comprehensively addressed the ludicrous claims put forth by that mob.

They've moved on. The Senate has moved on. The only ones who haven't are those old men, who have nothing better to do with their time...

It's old news, as they say.

 

[jack412]

If they are so wrong, why not put in your own submissions?

What makes you think that I didn't?
anyone can join in with the lunatic fringe, I think I even got a mention that was censored in their last submission, unless someone else is also using the same signature

 

[weegee]

I have just down loaded the applications on that list and I'll give them (APA) one thing, they defiantly go into a lot of depth with the crap they go on with!!!!!!!!

 

[weegee]

Repsim are pissed

Just reading through some of the submissions repsim seem to be POed about the last committee meeting and they seem to be making formal complaints too! I would say this next meeting will be fun. haha

 

[ADMk2]

Just reading through some of the submissions repsim seem to be POed about the last committee meeting and they seem to be making formal complaints too! I would say this next meeting will be fun. haha

Yes. All they want is to make what ever fanciful nonsense that comes to them known publicly, to have this accepted without question by Australian authorities and for it to be fully acted upon, without derivation.

But they will not under any circumstances, offer a solution to any of the air combat "ills" they say they have identified.

They will also no longer provide answers on the "minor" issue that the F-22A (the only thing they have ever offered as a solution to these "ills") is no longer in production and won't ever be again.

 

[aussienscale]

"Truth derived from Data & Facts Vs A Total Indifference to What is Real"

Yawn :sleepy

 

[ADMk2]

"Truth derived from Data & Facts Vs A Total Indifference to What is Real"

Yawn :sleepy

I know it's hilarious "data and facts" indeed. That's what RAAF and DSTO are working with.

So let's ask Kym Osley whether APA have the program access and insight to determine these things based on the real "data and facts".

Oh wait, the Senate already did that and funnily enough the answer was no.

Not one of those people have access to anything beyond what is on the Internet...

 

[StevoJH]

I havent read their submissions and have no intention of doing so (I did skim #1). But, now that the F-22 has left production, and the F-111's are dead and buried (literally), what are they suggesting as alternatives to the F-35 program?

Are they suggesting we buy Su-35's? :roll2

 

[ADMk2]

I havent read their submissions and have no intention of doing so (I did skim #1). But, now that the F-22 has left production, and the F-111's are dead and buried (literally), what are they suggesting as alternatives to the F-35 program?

Are they suggesting we buy Su-35's? :roll2

No. Goon doesn't want that, because even an SU-35S would only give us "parity"...

Nothing short of resurrecting the F-22A would satisfy them I think, though it's entirely possible they have an overall goal of proposing a new-build indigenous Australian fighter aircraft.

Something that is low observable, can fly at Mach 8 and 200,000 feet, features a 10 metre wide AESA radar aperture, pumping out 1000 kilowasps per T/R module and costs less than $50m each.

Or something...

 

[Raven22]

Here's a question for those that know about planes and stuff. I've been watching hornets flying into Townsville airport, presumably ferrying back to Amberly/Williamstown after Pitch Black. Why is that, instead of a nice, long, straight approach like other aircraft, they fly in straight and low until they are over the runway, then start a relatively tight turn, dropping their gear as they do so, that brings them all the way back around to the threshold and then land almost without straightening up?

Is it some sort of tac flying, limiting exposure to MANPADs or something, or is it simply a method to reduce noise over urban areas compared to doing a normal approach? I've seem them do it for years when they are up here for exercises and I always thought is must be the tac flying thing, but I can't imagine why they would do it for ferry flights so I'm thinking its simply to reduce noise.