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ngatimozart

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Navatia Video of Blue Marlin and Canberra.
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEtUCJ_yAs"]HLV Blue Marlin y LHD Canberra - YouTube[/nomedia]
 

olde navy

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Ocean Shield inside Coffs Harbour yesterday doing 'dynamic positioning' drills. Enroute Bris - Syd. Coffs Coast Advocate 08AUG12.
 

icelord

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Ocean Shield inside Coffs Harbour yesterday doing 'dynamic positioning' drills. Enroute Bris - Syd. Coffs Coast Advocate 08AUG12.
awesome, how bout she gets her lazy A**E to CI before the rest of the fleet is overblown with Illegals...yeah, im not too impressed by OS considering she was bought with one thing in mind and is still not any closer to doing its job!
Cost me 2 flights home for Navy purchase a civie ship to give to customs...:mad3
 

Volkodav

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Ocean Shield inside Coffs Harbour yesterday doing 'dynamic positioning' drills. Enroute Bris - Syd. Coffs Coast Advocate 08AUG12.
I think shes got azimuth pods for propulsion I wonder if "dynamic positioning drills", involves throwing the breakers until a transformer blows? On the other hand someone may have learnt a valuble lesson and stops ferking about practicing unnecessary drills (that can be simulated) for real until something (usually very expensive and a very long lead time for replacement ) breaks.
 

icelord

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I think shes got azimuth pods for propulsion I wonder if "dynamic positioning drills", involves throwing the breakers until a transformer blows? On the other hand someone may have learnt a valuble lesson and stops ferking about practicing unnecessary drills (that can be simulated) for real until something (usually very expensive and a very long lead time for replacement ) breaks.
Funniest thing ive heard all day, RAN learning a lesson...
 

Volkodav

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Funniest thing ive heard all day, RAN learning a lesson...
Well the RAAF eventually learnt that some things are better to practice in simulation rather than inflicting in real life, i.e. the loss of a 707 tanker and 5 personnel in 1991 while practicing a "double asymmetric" by shutting down both engines on one wing.

There is still hope for the RAN but at least their stuff ups are just breaking gear and not killing people. Many of the diesel issues experienced in the subs can probably be traced to emergency stops inflicted upon the main generators to conduct certain evolutions, common sense would have the Chief Tiff being given a heads up so he can avoid damage to the diesels during drills that are intended for the combat blokes, but no thats too hard just crash dive while charging the batteries and screw the propulsion system.
 

icelord

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Well the RAAF eventually learnt that some things are better to practice in simulation rather than inflicting in real life, i.e. the loss of a 707 tanker and 5 personnel in 1991 while practicing a "double asymmetric" by shutting down both engines on one wing.

There is still hope for the RAN but at least their stuff ups are just breaking gear and not killing people. Many of the diesel issues experienced in the subs can probably be traced to emergency stops inflicted upon the main generators to conduct certain evolutions, common sense would have the Chief Tiff being given a heads up so he can avoid damage to the diesels during drills that are intended for the combat blokes, but no thats too hard just crash dive while charging the batteries and screw the propulsion system.
Most COs like to keep their engineering on their toes, which is code for forgetting to tell them...i love the call from MCR or CCS asking WTF is going on the bridge..."o yeah, we're coming up in speed to do warrie turns...hold on"
At least with the FFGs you can actually throw them around a hell of a lot more then FFH, which must be handled with extreme care. 2 ships built for different times and mindsets
My favourite time was while we were calling MCR to give us more speed, Engineering Officer came up to bridge demanding to know what the hell was going on, just as CO walked in and screams "officer of the watch, we need to go faster damn it, engines get down there and kick this damn thing..." we were dragging a Aerligh burke and only won cause she blew an engine...good times
 
Very impressive. I still can't help some nagging feelings I have taking that out onto open waters a very very long way. Its pretty high and fair bit of overhang. No doubt it will be fine. Surely she might have to stop for bad weather?

I'm certainly impressed watching the builds. I hope the local build portion goes well and carries on the work from our Spanish friends. I had thought the hull would be a complete stripper (primer and only essential hull structure), but it looks like its got more than that. Still think 3 of these would be nicer than just a matching pair.
It is said today in the local press that the departure of Blue Marlin has been delayed 1-2 days because they need to fit Canberra perfectly onto Blue Marlin. As some of you have stated the challenge for Blue Marlin is not tonnage but the 55 metres Canberra over hangs off BM´s stern (load distribution).

It is also said, that is Dockwise who takes the risk of the Atlantic route against the Suez route.

It is in Spanish (google translate) but here is the link.

El
 
Anyone have any idea of what configuration the LCM1E could offer for the ADF?
- Obviously 1 M1A1
- 2 x ASLAV?
- 6 Bushmaster PMV's?
- 6 Hawkei PMV?
- 2 M113's?

From the Armada site: in Spanglish



1 MBT tipo M60 A3/M88A1.
1 MBT Leopard 2E de 62,5 ton
2 Heavy trucks C10T with trailer
1 vehículo M-109 A2 y 1 vehículo M 992.
2 vehículos M-109 A2.
2 vehículos anfibios AAV.
1 Marine infantry compay (170 hombres) equiped.
6 vehículos tipo HUMMER.
1 medium truck with standard 20 feet container up to 20 tones sea state 2/3.
2 Vehículos tipo "PIRANHA".
1Heavy trucks C10T with trailer+ 3 vehículos HUMMER.

Probably the C10T truck is the one more difficult to compare so..
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/buques_infanteria/05_material-armamento-infanteria-marina--04_Camiones--01_iveco_25037w_es
 

rand0m

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I can't say I've read much on the Vidar-36, are these being aimed at an Australian requirement? at 9,000nm with an extended range option could they fit the picture?

Length 79m (overall)
Beam 8.4m (maximum)
Submerged displacement 3,600 te
Operating depth 200m+
Propulsion Diesel Electric, with AIP options
Maximum submerged speed 20 knots
Range 9,000nm (snorting) with extended range options
Sensors
Active and passive cylindrical, flank and intercept arrays,
reelable towed-array, mine and obstacle avoidance sonar
and optronic, radar and CESM masts
Torpedo tubes Six (21”)
Weapons Up to 18 (including heavyweight torpedoes, anti-ship and land attack missiles)
Mines Up to 36
Special forces Five-to-ten-man lock-in lock-out facilities plus special forces mission packages
Masts
Eight modular mast bays for optronic masts, radar, CESM,
satellite and integrated comms masts
UUV capability
Launch,operation and recovery of autonomous and tethered
unmanned underwater vehicles
Communications Satellite and integrated comms; buoyant wire aerial, underwater telephone


http://www.bmtdsl.co.uk/BMT/bmt_media/bmt_media/33/BMT_Vidar-36_2ppA4ds.pdf
 

Volkodav

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We could have ended up with the ex Invincible/Ocean class over the Canberra class, one could argue a lesson was learnt from the ex US LST's.
The lesson is "treat it as if you own it not hired it". The RAN has a well deserved reputation for working their ships hard, some times they are run unnecessarily hard adversely affecting the durability and safety of their platforms. That said, if sufficient resourses were allocated to sustainment, improving reliability as well as to reducing the minimum age of our platforms how hard the ships are run would not impact on availability to the same degree.
 

hauritz

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The lesson is "treat it as if you own it not hired it". The RAN has a well deserved reputation for working their ships hard, some times they are run unnecessarily hard adversely affecting the durability and safety of their platforms. That said, if sufficient resourses were allocated to sustainment, improving reliability as well as to reducing the minimum age of our platforms how hard the ships are run would not impact on availability to the same degree.
I heard the same thing from a friend of mine who used to be with the navy. He used to work on the old fremantles and said they were pretty much flogged to death. I just read that the Armidales are also beginning to crack up.

I am unsure whether it is because we don't have enough ships, we don't have the right ships or we don't take care of the ones we have.
 
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Volkodav

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I I am unsure whether it is because we don't have enough ships, we don't have the right ships or we don't take care of the ones we have.
Yes, yes and yes.

Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming the crews rather the system, the funding models, the selection of designs for political and cost reasons rather than for capability and sustainability, the failure to implement upgrades that would improve durability and safety, the failure to fund required maintenance.
 

aussienscale

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Anyone have any idea of what configuration the LCM1E could offer for the ADF?
- Obviously 1 M1A1
- 2 x ASLAV?
- 6 Bushmaster PMV's?
- 6 Hawkei PMV?
- 2 M113's?
As is typical with any capability available in the public domain, here are a couple of links one from Wiki and the other from the RAN website, gives you a pretty good ideal of what we will have with them

Cheers

http://www.navy.gov.au/Landing_Craft,_Mechanised_(LCM)

LCM-1E - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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We could have ended up with the ex Invincible/Ocean class over the Canberra class, one could argue a lesson was learnt from the ex US LST's.
No not what I meant, Choules is a great ship and was in great shape when we got her. I meant the way we are running her, is not exactly how the RFA did.
 

gf0012-aust

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I heard the same thing from a friend of mine who used to be with the navy. He used to work on the old fremantles and said they were pretty much flogged to death.
They were rooted

I had a contract to try and flog some off when "Sea Patrol" had picked the cherries.

we sold one to the Bahama Police force, the others were pretty well shagged,

we were flogging them off at $2m each and still couldn't get buyers - despite the fact that they were being offloaded with complete spares - some of which was NOS and worth as much as the ship selling price.
 
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