F-35 Multirole Joint Strike Fighter

[SpudmanWP]

"$4 an hour" could be said about ANY company in the world save a very few. The problem is that if it were possible and they did not do it, they would likely loose business due to the other guys under bidding contracts.

Every company has to keep costs low in order stay competitive. It the rest of the market is going 401k and you do not, your costs are higher and you will loose out on contracts, plain and simple. Loose enough contracts and you go out of business, just ask McDonald Douglas, General Dynamics, and Fairchild Republic just to name a few.

 

[GeorgeCarlinFan]

"$4 an hour" could be said about ANY company in the world save a very few. The problem is that if it were possible and they did not do it, they would likely loose business due to the other guys under bidding contracts.

Every company has to keep costs low in order stay competitive. It the rest of the market is going 401k and you do not, your costs are higher and you will loose out on contracts, plain and simple. Loose enough contracts and you go out of business, just ask McDonald Douglas, General Dynamics, and Fairchild Republic just to name a few.

you are telling me that profitability is more important than the men and women who work for those companies ? this is why people gravitate to socialist democracies such as France Britain Germany etc where workers and people are not held inferior to the company they work for. but socialism has a bad stigma because of communism, which is completely different. Countries that lack free-thought will veto it (guess what country im thinking of)'.

i practise the ways of Saul Olynski lol, seriously ??

 

[SpudmanWP]

It's not profitability that is more important, but survivability. If you promise your workers the moon and go out of business in the process, what good did you do?

RE: Socialism and the EU... hows that working out so far?

 

[jack412]

spud some would say the GFC was a result of corporate greed unchecked. look at australia, we are doing fine in our nanny state, cradle to grave or some just call it social justice, but it might be an idea to take this to off topic section before the mods arc up

thanks for the update on the missile launch vid, it's a shame its gone

 

[SpudmanWP]

np.. rant mode disabled ...

 

[GeorgeCarlinFan]

It's not profitability that is more important, but survivability. If you promise your workers the moon and go out of business in the process, what good did you do?

RE: Socialism and the EU... hows that working out so far?

socialism and centre left politics is doing well, you need only look at high speed rail, education or the amazing healthcare systems in Europe as examples.

I know you are pointing and screeching at the eurozone crisis but that is universal, and employing your mindset where current economic success is the best measure of a political platform's prowess communism would be the best. China is growing so fast the USA has felt it neccessary to make the f-35 available to korea.

I admit this last sentence is a poor attempt to get back to the original topic but hopefully we can fool these mods.

 

[MrConservative]

Enough of the politics please - there are other forums out there for that. Stick to the thread topic everyone and all will be OK.

 

[GeorgeCarlinFan]

damn the mods didn't take the bait! Trying to regulate what people discuss on forums is pointless as the whole idea of a conversation is that it meanders and becomes interesting as it changes. how often have you said to a group of friends "for the next three hours if you talk about anything but the f-35 i will slap you." doesn't work that way because conversation is organic, natural (sorry about the marketingspeak) . I also feel freedom of speech should apply to the internet as well (although the chinese govt and defencetalk disagree). i can only look forward to having my comments deleted with increasing anticipation.

btw my name is aung suang kyii or something like that

 

[Bonza]

Comments deleted? Nah, I think I'll just ban you instead. You want to be a smart arse and use the forum as a personal soapbox, and I'm not really in the mood for it. Compare DT to the Chinese government all you want, but you can do it somewhere else.

And if you think derailing threads on a forum meant for a specific set of topics makes you in any way similar to a Burmese political reformer, then I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[SpudmanWP]

@spud, have you found anymore on the multimissile launch detection ?

The video is back up with an accompanying Press Release.

LINTHICUM, Md., Jun 26, 2012 (GlobeNewswire via COMTEX) -- Northrop Grumman Corporation recently demonstrated the ballistic missile detection, tracking and targeting capabilities of the company's AN/AAQ-37 distributed aperture system (DAS) and AN/APG-81 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, both of which are featured on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft. A video accompanying this release is available on YouTube at:

AN/AAQ-37 DAS detects multiple rocket launches - YouTube

Leveraging NASA's Science Mission Directorate-sponsored Anomalous Transport Rocket Experiment launch operation, the demonstration was coordinated with NASA and the U.S. Air Force to ensure that it did not impact NASA's primary science mission goals. The systems were demonstrated in flight onboard the company's BAC1-11 testbed aircraft.

Northrop Grumman's DAS and APG-81 autonomously detected, tracked and targeted multiple, simultaneous ballistic rockets. The DAS autonomously detected all five rockets, launched in rapid succession, and tracked them from initial launch well past the second stage burnout.

"Northrop Grumman demonstrated these ballistic missile tracking modes with only minor modifications to the baseline F-35 JSF radar and DAS software," said Jeff Leavitt, vice president of Northrop Grumman's combat avionic systems business unit. "Since DAS is always staring simultaneously in every direction, an operator does not have to point the sensor in the direction of a target to gain a track. The F-35 pilot could continue the primary mission while the sensors automatically observe ballistic missile threats."

The APG-81 AESA radar demonstrated the ability to provide acquisition and weapons quality tracks independently, and also via pointing cues from DAS for expedited and extended range target acquisition. The radar maintained each track from initial acquisition until the rocket exited the radar's field of view.

Leavitt added that Northrop Grumman is currently exploring how the existing DAS technology could assist in several additional mission areas, including irregular warfare operations.

The multifunction AN/APG-81 AESA radar is capable of the full range of air-to-air and air-to-surface capabilities complemented by significant electronic warfare and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance functions. The AN/AAQ-37 DAS provides passive spherical awareness for the F-35, simultaneously detecting and tracking aircraft and missiles in every direction, and providing visual imagery for day/night navigation and targeting purposes.

Northrop Grumman is a leading global security company providing innovative systems, products and solutions in aerospace, electronics, information systems, and technical services to government and commercial customers worldwide. Please visit Northrop Grumman Corporation - The Value of Performance for more information.

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SOURCE: Northrop Grumman Corp.
CONTACT: Alleace Gibbs (410) 765-1294 [email protected]

 

[Air Force Brat]

Tentative Agreement

The Air Force Mags "Daily Report- 6/26/2012" reports that LockMart and the Machinists have reached a tentative agreement and will vote 6/28/2012 on a return to work, hope this will soon get things back on track. Does anyone know whether they will operate the Navy C out of the school house at Eglin, and if so when the Cs might arrive?

 

[Belesari]

The Air Force Mags "Daily Report- 6/26/2012" reports that LockMart and the Machinists have reached a tentative agreement and will vote 6/28/2012 on a return to work, hope this will soon get things back on track. Does anyone know whether they will operate the Navy C out of the school house at Eglin, and if so when the Cs might arrive?

I believe the C's are still being worked on. They made a mistake which apparently made them unable to be used for carrier work...so rebuild.

I'm getting a headache and a stomach ulcer watching the price go up and up.....

 

[ADMk2]

I believe the C's are still being worked on. They made a mistake which apparently made them unable to be used for carrier work...so rebuild.

I'm getting a headache and a stomach ulcer watching the price go up and up.....

The media reported price or the ACTUAL real contract prices?

Because there is a very LARGE difference between the two and not in favour of teh media's reported prices...

There was also no "mistake" requiring a rebuild. The arresting hook requires a redesign is all, whilst the other problems are on-going development issues not specific to the -C model (such as with the helmet etc). There is no significant issue with the -C model as a whole however.

Perhaps a bit closer reading of the documents relating to this program, rather than misreported or blatant falsehoods that many are perpetuating about this program, might cure those ailments of yours?

 

[Air Force Brat]

I believe the C's are still being worked on. They made a mistake which apparently made them unable to be used for carrier work...so rebuild.

I'm getting a headache and a stomach ulcer watching the price go up and up.....

That makes sense, and as ADMkII has stated the hook has been redesigned and they are hoping to get the new hook design into play very shortly, just to clarify though the C- will operate out of the schoolhouse at Eglin, correct? ADMkII, as US taxpayers, we are already paying out the Waazzooo for our F-35s and I'm certain for part of others, who are our friends, so Belesari and I are not naysayers, we're in up to our keesters already. I get my F-35 news from Air Force Mag, to my knowledge, all of their reports have been historically accurate, with lots of USAF input to back up their posts and lots of folks who would straighten them out if they were inaccurate. As one of our other brothers on here has pointed out, the US has a vested interest in helping our real friends, and Aus is at the top of that list, and I highly approve of that, as Aus was and is an early F-35 supporter and heavy contributor of cash up front. As such LockMart will do everything possible to deliver your contracts at the agreed upon price markers, so your birds are somewhat "locked in". As I stated, the new contract with LockMart and the machinists should be signed 6/28/12, so hope fully that will get things back on track. I would like a little more info on the C, as in some respects it is my favorite of the bunch, I just like the larger wing looks wise, and if someone has accurate info on how she's coming, it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Guys, and remember we are on the same team, Brat.

Let me add that my old pappy counted you Oz boys, as some of his best buds in Nam, and he always admired your pluck and sense of humor. I don't think he had good memories of that little expedition, as he really loved flying the 130e, in Tennessee at Sewart AFB, long since closed, but he was an IP and had students from all over the free world. Cheers

 

[colay]

A joint training wing has been established at Eglin with the AF, Navy and Marines each contributing a squadron to get to learn the ropes on the F-35. The simple reason why the F-35 appears to be lagging is that it was the latest of the 3 variants to roll out of the production line and not because it had any problems requiring it to be "rebuilt".
As for the hook, the C has successfully snagged the arresting cable in roll-in tests at speeds of up to 100 knots using the redesigned hook profile and damper. It had failed badly at this previously. So things are looking up heading to actual arrested landings that are coming up.

 

[Air Force Brat]

A joint training wing has been established at Eglin with the AF, Navy and Marines each contributing a squadron to get to learn the ropes on the F-35. The simple reason why the F-35 appears to be lagging is that it was the latest of the 3 variants to roll out of the production line and not because it had any problems requiring it to be "rebuilt".
As for the hook, the C has successfully snagged the arresting cable in roll-in tests at speeds of up to 100 knots using the redesigned hook profile and damper. It had failed badly at this previously. So things are looking up heading to actual arrested landings that are coming up.

That is good news Colay and thanks, I hadn't heard any thing other than they felt they were making good progress on the hook recontour. On a much more serious note, I snagged a 1966 Cox Spitfire, just like the one I got for my tenth Christmas in 1966, on Ebay tonight, and if Wifey doesn't kill me straight away I may need a place to hide for a coupla weeks, I just hope I don't have to leave the country and go stay with some of our Oz bros. Thats what all my early cash went for, I only had one Spit, and it was the prize of the bunch, I had about four Stuka's which were very fast, and flew well, all crashed and burned with the other ten or fifteen Mustangs, Corsairs, PT-26s, a lovely little Ryan STA. Oh well who's close by? Its great to hear the C is coming along nicely, I think it will be my favorite with the big wing. Did you find that on Flight Global or ? Cheers Brat

 

[aussienscale]

As for the hook, the C has successfully snagged the arresting cable in roll-in tests at speeds of up to 100 knots using the redesigned hook profile and damper. It had failed badly at this previously. So things are looking up heading to actual arrested landings that are coming up.

Good news to hear, never thought it was that big an issue in the first place, do you have any references you can post for that info ? would like to have a read

Cheers

 

[colay]

Good news to hear, never thought it was that big an issue in the first place, do you have any references you can post for that info ? would like to have a read

Cheers

Here you go.. Actually a lot of of good info on the progress being made by all 3 variants as of end-May.
A good read.

Why the F-35?: How well is F-35 testing going?

CF-3 performed a total of 18 successful roll-in arrestments [MK-7 (6 with risers and 4 with no risers) and E-28 (8 arrestments)] at Lakehurst from 80 to 100 knots ground speed.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Here you go.. Actually a lot of of good info on the progress being made by all 3 variants as of end-May.
A good read.

Why the F-35?: How well is F-35 testing going?

CF-3 performed a total of 18 successful roll-in arrestments [MK-7 (6 with risers and 4 with no risers) and E-28 (8 arrestments)] at Lakehurst from 80 to 100 knots ground speed.

Thanks for the info colay, I'm happy to know the redesign of the hook appears to have been succesfull. Like lots of other things these days, many of the F-35 issues appear to be just poor communication and integration of systems, and this is an aircraft that depends more completely on system integration than any previous design, it takes the concept of an electric jet far beyond even the F-22, this is a very smart airplane, and its a little difficult for the old AFB to wrap my mind around.

 

[Von Richtofen]

F-35 jsf

The JSF is a lemon;totally incapable of what it's supposed to do. It's the perfect example of a camel being designed by committee. I'd rather be in a :Sukhoi 35 Super Flanker cockpit when the next war starts.:sniper