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Has Canterbury 22/2 buggered up Dr Rod Deane's super slimmed down TF?Reserves or what?
Has the penny dropped and some realised that having a citizen reserve isn’t such a bad thing?
I have been waiting to get greater word than just whispers. Wasn't the discussion document mean't to be reported months ago or something?
Thoughts?
Has the penny dropped and some realised that having a citizen reserve isn’t such a bad thing?
I have been waiting to get greater word than just whispers. Wasn't the discussion document mean't to be reported months ago or something?
Thoughts?
Army has already pushed ahead as follows,
Phase one is complete the changing of the defence act by parliment eg the powers of the CDF & the changing of TF to Reserves and there part in the NZDF.
Phase 2 has already started with the transfer of Engr/Gunners & Sigs pers back to there parent corps under HQ 1BDE in Dec11. All TF Infantry Bn will merge in Dec, 3/6, 5/7, & 2/4 under command of HQ TRADOC with a HQ in Auckland, Wellington & Ch-Ch, they will be responsible for all the individual, and up to section trg.
A partial merging of a Reserve Company in time will begin for each of the RF Manoeuvre units 1RNZIR 2/1 RNZIR & QAMR by 2015 from now until then all collective trg for TF Infantry will be during those units major exercises to take advantage of C2, equipment & funding.
A study is being conducted now on what, how many TF & what trades we require for the future for a better understanding get your hands on the latest Army news. So what does this mean TF now have to train to the same METLs & EC with there RF units they will no longer be the poor cousin.
CD
treehuggingaj
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I bet my left, err, leg that 3 sqn is conducting AMO's before 16 brigade has a fully qualified troop!
And regarding the previous posts, This "third manoeuvre element' for the Joint Amphib force, Will this be Regular or Reservists held at B or Dloc until required. If it's Regular, I'd like to see 28th Batt back on the ORBAT. Keep a bit of history, obviously minus the segregation.
I bet my left, err, leg that 3 sqn is conducting AMO's before 16 brigade has a fully qualified troop!
And regarding the previous posts, This "third manoeuvre element' for the Joint Amphib force, Will this be Regular or Reservists held at B or Dloc until required. If it's Regular, I'd like to see 28th Batt back on the ORBAT. Keep a bit of history, obviously minus the segregation.
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I think you should do a little research instead of being lazy its all in the public domain, & while your at it do a bit of research on NZ Military history & you will find that 28 Maori Battalion had bloody nothing to do with segregation.
CD
Comparing what Dr Deane was suggesting last year following the VfM has been tempered considerably going on what you have mentioned. I thought the knives would be out so I'm pleased that wiser heads have prevailed.
Would you mind CD clarifying this line in your post - "All TF Infantry Bn will merge in Dec, 3/6, 5/7, & 2/4 under command of HQ TRADOC with a HQ in Auckland, Wellington & Ch-Ch"
It could be read a couple of ways. Are you suggesting that for example 3 and 6 Batt are going to merge.
Cheers MrC
treehuggingaj
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No need to be like that.
And sorry for asking a NZDF question on an NZDF forum on a Defence website. I can't seem to find the specifics on the 3rd manoeuvre element. Maybe you could provide me a link RE this. After you've unbunched your panties, of course.
Apologies. No offence intended. "Segregation" was the wrong word. I meant perhaps have it called 28 RNZIR as a link to history. Like 39 PSB in Oz.
And sorry for asking a NZDF question on an NZDF forum on a Defence website. I can't seem to find the specifics on the 3rd manoeuvre element. Maybe you could provide me a link RE this. After you've unbunched your panties, of course.
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No more of that from you, please.
treehuggingaj
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Noted. I will ignore rudeness in the future and not bite back.
[Mod Edit: Thanks for playing nice. The Mod Team will let the matter rest here.]
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Current plan is simple first a little background info this is what occured during the IMP (Impacted Military pers) process, the following Units lost the majority of there HQ people for example the following pers are all RF or TF on short term RF Contracts.
3 Auck Nth - RSM, 2 x Cadres NCOs,
6 Hauraki - CO, XO, Adjt, most of there Cadre NCO's but retained the RSM,
5WWCT - RSM, & 1 x Cadre NCO,
7 WnHB - CO, XO, RSM, and all the Cadre NCO,
2CNMWC - 1 x Cadre NCO,
4 O South - XO, RSM, Adjt,
Some pers were IMP/COMP while other will not be replaced when their current posting finishes in the December.
To ensure that they can carry on the TF Infantry Battalions have been forced to merge so as to use the available man power to continue to train for individual BLOC trg and section trg to DLOC. All Platoon/ Company level will be as a formed Reserve Coy as part of a RF Battalion on exercise complete with all the equipment currently held by those Units.
No suggesting about it at all Mr C its happening as of 12 Dec this year, from here the reserves are conducting an full analysis to determine the best CoA for the TF Infantry, thats why they are the only TF units that will partially embed into the 3 RF mnvr units for now. Govt has made it quite clear there will be no extra funding for the next 5 years for NZDF. Reserves are now a intergral part but they came close and I mean very close to being consigned to history, as an ex Cadre I have been on both sides of the fence and seen the politics that TF higher Command have played in the past, well with a stroke of a pen the Government have fundamentally altered the landscape for both RF & Reserves.
The great thing about the changes is that finally Infantry Reserve Units have an Operational (Kinetic) role to plan, train, & deploy with there RF Battalion utilizing all the equipment both tac radios, NVE, weapon systems & mobility asserts
CD
recce.k1
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Exciting times for the TF and Reserves, but surely this would also generate interest in terms of new recruitment (and experienced former pers re-enlisting), are there plans to expand the TF/Reserves in the next five years? Or allow for attrition at least?
There's responding to rudeness, then there's escalating rudeness. Hope you can see the difference. Cheers mate.
Recruiting has never been an issue for Reserves, a lack of equipment, direction, operational role and IMO internal politics has done more damage than anything else, most experienced former pers have moved on to the sand pits of Iraq & Afghanistan or to Auzzie as private contractors or in the mines. I can count on one hand the amount of ex pers who have renlisted.
None at all Army (CA) has decided the new direction and now the Brigade Commanders are building towards that, To expand TF/Reserves then a cut must be made somewhere else so who & where would be cut?.
1 BDE will be responsible for all Land Units both North & South to train to DLOC, DJTF(L) is responsible for all FE (Force Elements) to OLOC, TRADOC will be solely the HQ for all individual trg in Army
Wheather the Reserve Battalions remain in HQ TRADOC or are fully intergrated into the RF Battalions only time will tell.But for the Reserve Infantry these are exciting times ahead.
Essentially no difference at all because we only have 3 year election cycles. It will not effect what the NZ Govt is planning for the NZDF post 2020. It will also have no effect in the short term until 2015 as the Government concentrates on being in surplus as fast as possible, rebuilding Christchurch and paying off debt. The economy has to be in a solid position before it would be politically possible to ramp up defence spending beyond marginal increments. An improved economic situation is not only relying on sensible economic management here in NZ (which generally has been the case) - it also relies on Europe not financially imploding and continuing stability in the Asian economies. By fiscal 2015 (barring the EU stuffing itself and the international contagion that will follow) we may then be in position to follow some "higher pathway" procurement concepts following the DWP that were outlined in the Cabinet Docs available on the DefMin website.
Todays Dom post had the first two NH90 arriving in country next week from France, should be flying in our skys in the new year cant wait to see them flying around Manawatu/Wanganui airspace.
CD
This is good news. I hope their introduction into RNZAF service goes well. What are your chances CD of hitching a ride in due course? If you do please give us a review from the digger perspective compared to the old Iroquios.
More good news. There was there was a ceremony at Papakura yesterday attended by officials marking the renaming of 1 NZSAS Group into 1 NZSAS Battalion on account of its recent growth in numbers.
I thought that it was only fair that I mention where I stumbled across this news per the NZSAS renaming.
Quote from the Facebook page of Hon Judith Collins MP, the current Minister of Vet Affairs.
"Yesterday, I attended Awards ceremonies for Auckland City Police and for Police in the Rodney Area. The Police are really good at celebrating not only long service and good conduct but also acts of outstanding service and bravery. Members of the public who helped Police in their duties were also honoured. After a constituent clinic in Papakura, I was also very privileged to attend the rebadging of our SAS from a Group to a Battalion. It was a much deserved recognition of the growth in strength of this elite force."
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1 NZSAS Battalion???? Think I prefer the group better (also Battalions already taken). Is this kind of how the old TF units were Battalions but in reality could rarely muster a company on a good day, as I doubt they have really gained this much in numbers. More like just due to units ie. SAS, Commandos, EOD, supporties etc coming under one umbrella and needing a more formal designation within the new army structure rather than actual size.